Rolling Metal Thread 2014

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It's 2014. If you're a 17-year-old kid, there's a solid chance that your parents were headbanging to Slayer at your age, if not Cannibal Corpse. So how do you generation-gap them?

I don't recall any Slayer t-shirts asking to see "cunts".

Check out John Christ's T-shirt in the photo illustrating this story; I would say it's from between 1988 and 1992:

http://lastrit.es/articles/801/a-devils-dozen

get to the money and the sweet spot/forever hollerin' "HELL AWAITS" when we see cunts

xpost bitch could be androgynous in that case.

seriously though nobody's denying metal has fuckloads of misogyny strung about the genre. much of the worst of it, though, is often confined to pornogrind and shit like that.

yeah, Slayer would do shit like dedicate "At Dawn They Sleep" to the ladies, but nothing like the content of those shirts. most of their offensiveness was targeted at religious and community norms.

the shit in those pics above kind of exhibits the worst of 'jock' metal tendencies, like they're living in a world where Jamey Jasta is emperor

It's 2014. If you're a 17-year-old kid, there's a solid chance that your parents were headbanging to Slayer at your age, if not Cannibal Corpse. So how do you generation-gap them?

― Humorist (horse) (誤訳侮辱), Thursday, May 8, 2014 1:36 PM (35 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

obviously i'm not so dense that i didn't understand the point you were trying to make. it's just that between the *shrug* whatever at public displays of misogyny, and the shade-throwing at posters here for not staying current on terrible music made for teens, your initial post contained the full complement of tedious contrarianism i've come to expect from you.

Every classic metal band was "terrible music made for teens" once upon a time. And if refusing to get worked up over the pop-cultural outrage of the day makes me a tedious contrarian, I'll take it.

threads like a player piano

glad you refuse to get worked up! desperately piecing together bogus, knotty logic instead so you can smugly sit back and annoy others - great alternative!!

now dislike u all more for continuing to discuss these pics than NYC Native for posting them

haha fair enough

i know it was discussed way upthread but the nux vomica record is awesome, they cover so much territory

I remember seeing a Satyricon interview on that terrible, Jamey Jasta-hosted reboot of Headbangers Ball, during which they related the story of one of them, not Satyr or Frost, I forget who, being jumped and beaten by a gang of ne'er-do-wells. Jasta, while making the fist-into-palm universal gesture for ass kicking, said, "So when you found out who did it, I guess you guys took care of business." Satyr replied, in that sheepish Norwegian manner, "Oh of course yes, we contacted the authorities so we'll see how that goes." While I cannot condone violence, it was hilarious to see Jasta's SON I AM DISAPPOINT expression as he changed the subject.

Also I assume all my fellow Emperial worshipers know that In the Nightside Eclipse is being mega-reissued with all kinds of goodies, including an alternate mix of the whole album. Even though the Storm of the Light's Bane iteration of this "alternate mix" thing did nothing for me, I am being optimistic because this is THE album of all time. Though perhaps for that reason I shouldn't want any meddling with it. I'm conflicted as always.

yeah that one already sounds perfect. hope this yields something better than the awkward covers we got last time around.

There's nothing wrong with the mix of Nightside. Anthems though, that mix is terrible. Esp how the synth and vocal tracks drown each other out is part of why that record is so disappointing.

So the Opeth album has been pushed back to August 26. They're not saying anything, but basically what's going on is Mikael hates to do anything but write songs, record them, and go on tour. So it's like pulling wisdom teeth to get him to do a photo shoot, or hire someone to design an album cover, neither of which have been done at this point. But if he's got till mid-June to get all that shit together, there's a better chance of it happening on time.

Uuuugh.

Slopeth

see.. to me, thats where the business of record making and the standards of the industry gets in the way of being the pure artist. If he wants to write, record, tour.. let him! Put out a record with a plain text and a no photos and who cares.. Its music! Does it really matter about anything else. I never need a awesome cover or killer photos to enjoy any music.

xp

Anthems needs a remix and remaster so badly. I even trotted out an old vinyl copy, and yep, sounds like a huge muddle of midrange.

the new autopsy is indeed a motherfucker

I could never understand why Anthems sounds so bad, it's pretty much a rehash Nightside, with the same producer in the same studio, and it was their big comeback record with Century Media giving it all the attention they could. And still it sounds as if they let their drunk uncle Sven behind the mixer board.

I guess the budget was all spent on Ihsahns shiny armour for the Reverence video.

I remember the first time I heard Anthems, I made a dubbed copy from mp3s, and then I told this guy "man, I can't hear the fucking vocals, this must be a shitty mp3", so I bought it and was like I STILL CAN'T HEAR THE VOCALS

Trivium have fired their drummer in the middle of their current tour.

I don't get it. After 20 years, doesn't Opeth have a manager to do that stuff? Hire an artist, put some concept drawings in front of his face for approval, etc.? Should we have an Opeth cover design contest? ;)

Now on to "laser metal." Any thoughts? I was excited by this:

NIGHTSATAN AND THE LOOPS OF DOOM is a post- apocalyptic science fiction thriller emerging from the wicked brain of visionary writer/ director CHRZU. Set in the Finnish province of Karelia in the year 2034, the amazing adventure features cannibalism, graphic violence, stunning visual lore and a synth score paying tribute to the classic works of John Carpenter and Goblin. It is a thoroughly original nod to the Italian genre cinema of the 1980's, with a hint or two of Alejandro Jodorowsky thrown in.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=opD1q0KDzZY

http://svartrecords.bandcamp.com/album/nightsatan-and-the-loops-of-doom

However, not feelin' the electro soundtrack.

I don't get it. After 20 years, doesn't Opeth have a manager to do that stuff? Hire an artist, put some concept drawings in front of his face for approval, etc.? Should we have an Opeth cover design contest? ;)

Nothing gets done without Mikael; Opeth is a (mostly) benevolent dictatorship.

not going to make Deathfest this year after all :/. Nocturnus AD is playing their own show in town tomorrow but I'm in a production atm and won't get out in time to see them I don't think :(

You guys were right about the new 'Topsy, it's great.

kind of an anemic snare sound

Every classic metal band was "terrible music made for teens" once upon a time.

you understand that this is a false equivalency, right? "every classical metal band was 'terrible music for teens' once upon a time. Therefore, all terrible music made for teens is good!'"

me i'll be waiting around for the critical rehabilitation of i declare war

you understand that this is a false equivalency, right? "every classical metal band was 'terrible music for teens' once upon a time. Therefore, all terrible music made for teens is good!'"

More like "Therefore, all terrible music made for teens deserves the same chance to become revered classic material 25-30 years down the road." My point is, metalheads in their late 30s/early 40s (like me!) hate Emmure and I Declare War just like my mom hated Judas Priest and AC/DC.

Anthems is my favourite Emperor album

Emmure and co are not comparable to priest and ac/dc, lol

Emmure and co are not comparable to priest and ac/dc, lol

Please to explain. Show your work.

black metal sounds best when it sounds like it's playing out of a soda can imo

dude, neanderthal, speaking of dubbing mp3s, did you ever send dubbed cassette tapes to some dude on #mp3death? like celestial seasonings, nokturnal mortum, etc?

alright everyone, homework time - please set a google calendar reminder to bump this thread in 25-30 years to let us know if you think emmure are as cool as priest or just a bunch of dicks

Shouldn't Warrant and Poison et al be as cool as priest or ac/dc by now then using phil's "logic"?

"all shitty music deserves a chance to be good"

dude, neanderthal, speaking of dubbing mp3s, did you ever send dubbed cassette tapes to some dude on #mp3death? like celestial seasonings, nokturnal mortum, etc?

― Spectrum, Friday, May 9, 2014 8:55 PM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

sadly no. I often got banned for getting in arguments w/ Postmortem or the other AOPs about stuff.

when you were Desantnik, did you ever give crap to a guy named Hell_Awaits for liking "crap like Slayer" and talk about how horrible King Diamond was? and praise Shostakovich? I remember this one argument I had vividly and can't remember if that's who it was with lol

Shouldn't Warrant and Poison et al be as cool as priest or ac/dc by now then using phil's "logic"?

That's not the point he's making - he's comparing the notion of parents in the '80s being repulsed by ANY metal in the '80s (from Priest to Warrant to Twisted Sister, whatever) to people today crapping on deathcore because it's music for lunkheads, 'how the hell can kids today listen to that garbage?', etc etc. It's fair to imagine a scenario where today's ostensibly awful stuff might find a place in tomorrow's cultural cannon.

As for the stance itself, if you want to criticise it rather than just dismiss it, I think you'd have to get more specific: parents back then were repulsed by what they didn't understand (and unfortunately had people like Tipper Gore around to explain it to them); I'm not sure there's a similar lack of understanding around deathcore beyond an intense dislike for the music. I mean, people here would still hate it without the misogyny, right?

Canon not cannon, sigh.

the negative reaction to deathcore (as well as many of the 'cores' themselves) is largely because many of these bands merely take the broad strokes of metal ('LOUD, SCREAMED VOCALS', 'CHUGGA CHUGGA BREAKDOWNS', 'ANGRY LYRICS') and creating their music based on those superficial elements alone.

I mean, people said those things about 80s metal in comparison to 70s heavy rock or prog too. (Some people still feel that way about a lot of 80s stuff.) But I don't really think 'this might be canonized in the future' is a very strong reason to not criticize something, especially if it is blatantly misogynist.

I just wish everybody would go back to dutifully worshipping Satan