slint -- _spiderland_: classic or dud

i haven't seen the movie yet, just naming women from louisville. maybe they didn't want to be in the movie?

If none of them wanted to be in the movie, I'd ask myself why not.

Why not email lance and find out? Seems like a nice, reachable dude.

Kim Deal has some great Britt stories but she is neither from Louisville nor part of the Spiderland story so I can see why she is not included in the documentary.

W.O. was around Louisville during the genesis of the band. Matewan was shot at least a year before (I tried out for the part he got). during the Spiderland time he was indeed elsewhere.

were you in Louisville at time, Mr Al? if you were, it would be highly idiosyncratic to not like King Kong…that band pretty much ruled the town in the 90s, although no one woulda guessed it from the initial version in '89, which was like Jonathan Richman plays the blues or somesuch unpromising premise…

Probably the woman who loomed largest in the scene was a gal who went to my high school, who was not a musician and thus maybe I shouldn't name her but she was impressive charismatic and intimidating. and hot. Girls would go to all ages shows, but I do not remember any females in bands to speak of. I didn't know ms. Oneil at that time.

do we know that jennifer hartman actually existed?

Dang, there is some serious butthurted trolling going on. Sorry for liking music you don't, good luck with your Dianogah vinyls I guess.

To vm: not from LKY, but spent some time there in the mid-90s after all this had passed for the most part.

Not interviewed in the documentary, but there was a girl in the pre-Slint band Languid and Flaccid:

http://louisvillepunk.awardspace.com/Photos/LanguidFlaccid00.html

I did not know Jennifer hartman, but the name BW used for the Breeders was a gal who I knew, although I knew her sister a lot better, as she was part of the same "young people's theatre" program that WO, his brother and me were involved with.

the gal I mention in my last post was alleged to have inspired a Squirrel bait song. quite striking that the influence of SB seems to withered away in the shadon of Slint. SB was the act that everyone outside of Louisville knew about. but it's well known that there were two factions therein that pretty much never dug each other. Bastro and BM were the guys that went to Chicago, but Peter Searcy and ben daughtrey stayed in Louisville and did a funk band called Fancy Pantz. They had mainstream aspirations that the other faction probly looked down on. shortly after Searcy got involved with a quasi-fratty band called Big Wheel (they played my prom), and Daughtrey did the Lemonheads and then Love Jones, a "lounge" band that included another guy who was friends with all these guys named Chris Hawpe that went to LA, got signed etc…someone once told me that Atlantic had their eye on Searcy, to turn him into a ROCK SOLO ACT like —and this is a direct quote and I'm curious if anyone will remember this name without googling— Robert Tepper. amused the fuck out of me at the time.

of all the things evidently mentioned in the doc —which I have not seen— that amuses me the most is the "talking anus" trick or whatever its called therein. so I don't know who's identified as such as having done it, but once one of those guys got on his shoulders in front of me, like you would do a handstand, pulled his ass apart and sucked air into his asshole. It was…something.

Jennifer Hartman, if I recall correctly, was a friend of Britt and Brian's during their time at Northwestern, ie not part of the Louisville scene.

Holy shit...fucking Love Jones, tell that guy he owes me $15

Is it possible that Slint's fanbase has an unusually high percentage of dudes?

There wasnt much in the way of ladies in the Minutemen doc either

I heard Spiderland for the first time nearly 10 years after it came out and I don't know, whenever this thread comes up and I click and I see sund4r's 2nd post...its strong set of objections, but the vocals make sense when you hear SST type stuff but its a shift, you wouldn't have Bob Mould or someone like Cobain on it (imagine how awful that would be), there is something in the music where something feeble feels right. Then calling it math-rock, or saying words like geometrical, and placing those words alongside it don't make sense when its a set of repeated riffs, often loose things that aren't necessarily going anywhere and yet are a part of tight song, a very well made song.

Heard quite a bit of post-rock, most of it was dullsville compared to what Slint were up to here.

Most of my favourites things to read and listen to needed very little context, they made sense straight away, all you then do is spend the rest of your life uncovering new readings and depths. Don't know if Slint are like this exactly but its near that..

Def. agree that the vocals fit the whole idea perfectly, hard to imagine them being any other way.

I guess I was a little disappointed in the boys club feeling of this movie in particular because it was during my youth. By the late 80s /early 90s I would have thought things had changed more even in spite of my memory telling me otherwise -- but the times were as I remember them! Anyway, disappointing is all. I still enjoyed the movie a lot.

While I'm at it, iirc there was also no discussion of the Kids soundtrack -- why not, I wonder?

i thought it was weirder that they didn't cover the reunion at all

I like the sort of immediate follow up stuff like Rodan but I have less interest later on when the 'rock' side of things is generally less emphasised

yeah that's pretty weird too!
someone asked about it in the q&a and pajo said, after he looked around and no one else was going to say anything, "we're broke?" and shrugged

man how can anybody say King Kong was not great

Funny Farm is classic from end to end. I don't have any time for Me Hungry but Old Man on the Bridge is good and Buncha Beans has some great jams. 2nd best post-Slint slint-related act after the For Carnation imo

this is the song that birthed spiderland, right?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y60Y323q__0

Half of Spiderland was already written by the time Frigid Stars came out. There are bootlegs of Slint playing three or four different Spiderland songs circa 1989.

If a song by another band birthed Spiderland, this would be my guess:

http://youtu.be/L_MhC4mQaGc

If I were to tell you that The Guardian published an article today that sheds even more light on the band than recent interviews and documentaries have, would you believe me?

http://www.theguardian.com/music/2014/may/01/spiderland-slint-album-reinvented-rock

great stuff.

i can't stop thinking about this! reading that ^^ and now knowing how difficult it was for brian to record the vocals for spiderland makes me rabid with curiosity about the reunion shows
how do they generally comport themselves on stage? they're playing here in a week or so but the show is sold out. now i kinda wanna go just to observe them.

the shows back in '05 and '07 seemed churchy, the one i saw on tuesday was pretty relaxed by comparison. the spend a lot of time tuning still. brian does the vocals off to the side of the stage and doesn't play guitar on almost all the vocal songs. he tends to stick out his chest like he's trying to project and his renderings (like the rest of the band and their parts) are extremely faithful.

I've only seen 2 of the reunion shows but both times Brian and David were very still and silent, not a lot of movement or action, I don't even think Brian is playing much guitar anymore (his brother does his parts). Britt is pretty animated and a little bit more extroverted but not much, he'll probably come up front to play/sing "Don, Aman" and he sing/speaks the verses of "Nosferatu Man" while playing that crazy drum rhythm.

yeah i loled when he strapped on the headset mic for that one.

new guy on 2nd guitar for this tour also i think.

those are quality details
does anyone seem uncomfortable?
do they talk at all? where do they direct their eyes?

sorry
these are really irritating questions
i'd rather see for myself tbh but i doubt a ticket will materialize for me out of thin air

seeing them tonight for the first time. really excited. they sound great in the live footage i've seen.

Yeah, let me qualify that both of these shows were 7-9 years ago, things probably have changed.

Not a lot of talking at the shows. I think Brian said "Thank you" when they were done.

I was at an event recently that Brian was a guest at and while he was very nice, he just doesn't talk very much. Not uncomfortably either, just brief answers.

You should get a ticket LL.

Also relevant to the Spiderland renaissance is the Alan Licht book on/with Will Oldham. There's quite a bit of pre-Slint ("Tight Little Dirty Tufts of Hair"-era) talk in it, specifically Britt visiting Will on-set of Matewan to convince Will to join and Will's like "I don't know how to play guitar or sing", and he stalled and then that's how Brian joined the band. It's also a great book.

i might try to rustle up a ticket
i would really like to see them

can someone remind me how harmony korine fits into this picture?

Good Morning, Captain was on the KIDS soundtrack. Is there something deeper?

Dislike that article. Slint leading to Mogawi or Sigur ros => lets pack it in.

Eh? Not really an outrageous claim. Also, what is that, one sentence? I appreciated that the article dug deeper into what was going on with Brian. Feel like they just skimmed the surface of that stuff in the doc.

those are quality details
does anyone seem uncomfortable?
do they talk at all? where do they direct their eyes?

― funch dressing (La Lechera), Friday, May 2, 2014 1:48 PM (41 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

not uncomfortable, no. brian said a couple little goofy one or two word things between songs on tuesday. someone in the crowd yelled ten fucking stars and i'm pretty sure he said "thanks, pitchfork" (in reference to the box set getting a 10.0 i guess). he said thank you quickly after the last song.

pajo looks at his guitar, stays very still, very much technician at work (and he's that way in all the bands he's in i'm pretty sure).

not much eye contact needed between them but occasionally it seems like they'll watch britt for a cue. britt is very much in charge from a musical standpoint.

xp - Yeah I know it was on the sdtk (I remember being like WHOA! when i saw it in the theater) -- I mean personally. Korine grew up in Nashville and seems to have come out of the gate with the same sort of enfant terrible thing in his favor iirc. Also Xenia (where Gummo is set) is just a few miles down the road from Yellow Springs, home of Antioch College (a bastion of freewheeling artsiness in -- let's be honest -- a really depressed area) where my BFF went to college, and they all seem to share an aesthetic sensibility but maybe that's just my hindsight 90s glasses. I dunno.

also thanks for the deets CAD! it's about like i expected. also smh @ the dork who shouted ten fucking stars. my god.

soooo much dorky crowd shouting, it was terrible. the '05 shows were in much bigger rooms, but this time they were in a small club which i guess invites that bullshit.

oh also LL as you are a budding drummer i would say try to go if for no other reason than to watch britt, he is amazing

the "ten fucking stars" call out's a reference to Albini's review in Melody Maker. more jokey than worshipful i would think.

yes, i know, it's still lame

it's like congratulating an actor for their movie grossing boffo box office
it's embarrassing for everyone

even in jest

re KIDS: Lou Barlow put "Good Morning Captain" on the soundtrack, but it does not play during the film.

man i am so confused.

i would like to have a conversation with britt about drumming pretty badly but i'm sort of amazed at a base level by how intimidated i still am by these dudes. how stupid. and yet so real!
maybe it's best if i just sit back and wonder to myself instead of trying to figure all of this out. i need a muzzle.

also seeing them for the first time tonight