ILM Top 100 2000-2004: ALBUMS

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LPs I voted for that have made it thus far: Emma Bunton, Ghostface, Cornelius, Ladytron, Cann Ox and, yes, XTRMNTR.

― Jeff W (zebedee), Tuesday, 24 August 2004 15:41 (twenty-one years ago)

Fugazi - The Argument
the PFM review mentions The Kinks and EL-fucking-O, which makes me feel warm and fuzzy: Fugazi get even more tuneful. pisses off the hardcore maybe, but when Guy sings "i'm on a mission to never agree / here comes the argument" damned if I don't try my hardest to forget what's been learned me about separation of music and state

― comme personne (common_person), Tuesday, 24 August 2004 16:06 (twenty-one years ago)

I don't get me ten bucks then

― Gear! (Gear!), Tuesday, 24 August 2004 16:12 (twenty-one years ago)

sorry, is that in response to what I wrote?

― comme personne (common_person), Tuesday, 24 August 2004 16:21 (twenty-one years ago)

that made no sense to me

― artdamages (artdamages), Tuesday, 24 August 2004 16:31 (twenty-one years ago)

I don't get me ten bucks then

I can't believe you were as close as you were, honestly.

XTRMNTR is one of the best albums of the decade no question. The real atrocity here is fucking Lambchop landing higher.

― The Good Dr. Bill (Andrew Unterberger), Tuesday, 24 August 2004 16:45 (twenty-one years ago)

Bill and Gear made a bet about the placing of that Fugazi album on another thread.

XTRMNTR : the silent majority speaks up! :)

― Barry Bruner (Barry Bruner), Tuesday, 24 August 2004 16:53 (twenty-one years ago)

If only Bobby Gillespie would join the silent majority.

― Alba (Alba), Tuesday, 24 August 2004 16:59 (twenty-one years ago)

Sorry, that $10 bet was over Sleater-Kinney ... not Fugazi.

― Barry Bruner (Barry Bruner), Tuesday, 24 August 2004 17:00 (twenty-one years ago)

If only Bobby Gillespie would join the silent majority.

Yes!!

― Pashmina (Pashmina), Tuesday, 24 August 2004 17:03 (twenty-one years ago)

i wonder for how many seconds of Xtrmntr is Bobby audible

― the neurotic awakening of s (blueski), Tuesday, 24 August 2004 17:07 (twenty-one years ago)

i think that's my next project sorted

― the neurotic awakening of s (blueski), Tuesday, 24 August 2004 17:07 (twenty-one years ago)

Jesus, you're a sucker for punishment.

― Alba (Alba), Tuesday, 24 August 2004 17:08 (twenty-one years ago)

It was a one-sided bet, though. Gear doesn't owe me anything.

― The Good Dr. Bill (Andrew Unterberger), Tuesday, 24 August 2004 17:09 (twenty-one years ago)

I'm incredibly cheap which goes without saying.

― Gear! (Gear!), Tuesday, 24 August 2004 17:16 (twenty-one years ago)

I don't think Jess lika da S-K

― Gear! (Gear!), Tuesday, 24 August 2004 17:17 (twenty-one years ago)

'Nothin' Else' is not a lowpoint on Justified.

― billstevejim, Tuesday, 24 August 2004 18:44 (twenty-one years ago)

XTRMNTR is great. The real crime here is an early Fiery Furnaces record over 'Justified'. I mean, is there a street team on here or something? I haven't even heard of that record (though I will check it out). And Sleater Kinney? Are you serious? We're people just filling out their ballots with records they'd heard of??

― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Tuesday, 24 August 2004 20:10 (twenty-one years ago)

people thought it was the '90s one cos you'd think that'd come first

― the neurotic awakening of s (blueski), Tuesday, 24 August 2004 20:13 (twenty-one years ago)

I don't think I could listen to even half of XTRMNTR without putting on something else. Overblown, awful mess.

― Bimble (bimble), Tuesday, 24 August 2004 20:18 (twenty-one years ago)

S-K was my #1 pick and I'm not about to not choose it for reasons that exist in other peoples' heads.

― Gear! (Gear!), Tuesday, 24 August 2004 20:19 (twenty-one years ago)

I would've picked 'Keep Your Dreams' as a personal fave off XTRMNTR...it's their best 'ballad', tho Bobby's not particularly interesting on it

― the neurotic awakening of s (blueski), Tuesday, 24 August 2004 20:22 (twenty-one years ago)

Such fun ... I am so glad I nominated XTRMNTR!

― Barry Bruner (Barry Bruner), Tuesday, 24 August 2004 21:00 (twenty-one years ago)

*tries to judge what Spencer's actual level of surprise is*

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 24 August 2004 21:02 (twenty-one years ago)

For the Sleater Kinney record? I *am* surprised. I'd guess that it's a decent enough record (perhaps even very good), but I don't recall very much ILM discussion about it (apart from seeing them as ancillary to Greil Marcus threads).

― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Tuesday, 24 August 2004 21:13 (twenty-one years ago)

Spencer might have a point -- Tom's big Best of 2002 poll, I think I was one of two people who voted big for One Beat (though I might be thinking of a different album).

― Leeeter van den Hoogenband (Leee), Tuesday, 24 August 2004 21:17 (twenty-one years ago)

Yeah, I was thinking that about Fugazi's Argument as well. The original ILM thread about it in 2001 has about 10 posts. (maybe 3 of which actually praise the album.) (fwiw fugazi was one of my favorite bands in the mid 90's.) (and yes, obv ILM 2001 =/= nu-nu-post-indie guilt-ILM '04.

― bnw (bnw), Tuesday, 24 August 2004 21:30 (twenty-one years ago)

One Beat was regarded as pretty weak in some circles, I suppose, considering how every time I mention that I voted for it (be on the noize board or elsewhere) I get someone saying "zuh?! corny indie etc etc!"

― Gear! (Gear!), Tuesday, 24 August 2004 21:57 (twenty-one years ago)

Link to the 2002 poll? And any others like it?

― Mike Ouderkirk (Mike Ouderkirk), Tuesday, 24 August 2004 23:42 (twenty-one years ago)

The ILX Readers Poll 2002 - RECORDS OF THE YEAR

― Tico Tico (Tico Tico), Tuesday, 24 August 2004 23:46 (twenty-one years ago)

The ILX Readers Poll 2002 - RECORDS OF THE YEAR

― DJ Martian (djmartian), Tuesday, 24 August 2004 23:47 (twenty-one years ago)

great minds think alike

― DJ Martian (djmartian), Tuesday, 24 August 2004 23:48 (twenty-one years ago)

So who was the other person who voted for SK there?

― Leeeter van den Hoogenband (Leee), Wednesday, 25 August 2004 01:24 (twenty-one years ago)

I like how that 2002 poll shatters the "ILM is more indie now than it used to be" myth.

― Al (sitcom), Wednesday, 25 August 2004 01:47 (twenty-one years ago)

ilm = fork?

1. album lists inevitably more pitchfork-y / r-word than singles lists, nobody listens to albums anymore anyways
2. fabled "good old days" of ilm like 01 basically, indie by end of 02
3. pitchfork and similar (marginally) more pro-pop over last 5 years so token presence of say justin album would be unshocking on a fork list, not so a few years ago
4. corny ass lurkers be reading the fork

― artiste (artiste), Wednesday, 25 August 2004 02:12 (twenty-one years ago)

You saying crabs read PFM?

― Leeeter van den Hoogenband (Leee), Wednesday, 25 August 2004 02:14 (twenty-one years ago)

'Textstar' is good, but I wonder when's the last time any ILXor listened to it!

― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Wednesday, 25 August 2004 02:44 (twenty-one years ago)

As a relative newcomer to ILM who likes everything from blue note jazz to experimental to 70's folk to indie to prog rock to metal - the only thing I can acscertain about the popularity of indie rock on ILM is that the genre is becoming more popular on the whole. And I'm trying to resist attributing this to the dreaded p/fork, ie, hoping there's case for any popularity being otherwise based. Like i dunno, the bands, the music?

If you hate indie and you live on ILM then more power to you because you can bitch and moan and feel above it all. Incidentally I hate indie when the fucking performances are out of tune and amateurism is the order of the day. I would doubt, though, that the indie bands/artists that make the ILM top 50 or top 10 or whatever reside in this bracket. With the excpetion of Sleater Kinney.

*ducks*

― piers (piers), Wednesday, 25 August 2004 02:51 (twenty-one years ago)

I love much indie and always have (except for some of the 90s when I could care less), I just think many ILM types recoil at whatever they think indie represents, tries to represent, or is thought to be represented by some indie fans. My aversion to some indie is I think similar to yours - I feel that many purveyors practice a self-imposed sonic conservatism borne out of a stultifying worship of authenticity and presence.

― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Wednesday, 25 August 2004 02:59 (twenty-one years ago)

from comments on the all time ilm poll--
i really don't like the implications of saying 'too white'. more like 'too indie rock'. but yeah, where the hell is the rap? and not paul's overrated beck-sounding boutique either.

-- ethan (epadget...), May 19th, 2001.

Yeah Ethan, too 'indie rock' is better. (...and if only Beck made some approaching "P's B." he would be tolerable.)

anyway another plus: Weezer (might be irritating-as-fuck but a bit of fresh air as an utterly non-canon choice.) no Leftfield.

erm...where's Destiny's Child ;)

-- Omar (o.muno...), May 19th, 2001.

the thing i find most interesting about this list is that, given the amount of canon-bashing and the prevelance of sniffy attitudes towards magazine polls, how completely it conforms to the standard rock canon. take out the singles (Britney etc) and it could have been lifted straight from Q or Mojo.

-- Wyndham Earl (wyndham_ear...), September 21st, 2002.

Have 20. I would vote so differently now. I think the final list would be way less indie now.

-- sundar subramanian (sundar_subramanian200...), March 10th, 2003. (sundar)

i think it would be even more indie now

-- gareth (garet...), March 10th, 2003. (gareth)

― keith m (keithmcl), Wednesday, 25 August 2004 03:11 (twenty-one years ago)

ILM is busted!

― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Wednesday, 25 August 2004 03:23 (twenty-one years ago)

Spencer - I hear you about how ILM might see indie fans as uneducated 19 yr olds or poseurs or hipsters or worse, but that precludes normal music fans, and is ultimately another hopeless generalisation. I struggle with it too. In Sydney you go to an "important" indie show and you do often get the whole cooler than school crowd, but I try my best to ignore it and enjoy the band - if they play professionally that is ;)

I imagine the same thing happens in London, New York, San Francisco, Barcelona - wherever.

― piers (piers), Wednesday, 25 August 2004 03:33 (twenty-one years ago)

i just erased my bitchy comment about how everybody was bitching.
yay, me.
Listen, I know we're doing a CDR of the singles; anybody want to take the incredibly difficult step of pulling, say, the top five tracks off the top 100 albums for a five disc set of the best albums?
Or should I just go buy all this?

― Forksclovetofu (Forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 25 August 2004 04:53 (twenty-one years ago)

I like how that 2002 poll shatters the "ILM is more indie now than it used to be" myth.

Oh, the rot had firmly set in by 2002...

― Alba (Alba), Wednesday, 25 August 2004 06:53 (twenty-one years ago)

Oh, the rot had firmly set in by 2002...

ILM 2001
http://www.sergioleone.net/mt-2.jpg

ILM 2002
http://www.tumbaabierta.com/cripta/img/fulci_zombie.jpg

― Gear! (Gear!), Wednesday, 25 August 2004 07:21 (twenty-one years ago)

RE: One Beat

For me it's only about the fourth best SK album, which is probably why relatively little discussion at the time, but it's the only one eligible to be voted for, hence the high number of votes.

Fugazi'a Argument is a similar thing, it is one of their best albums, but not vastly devaint or better than what went before, so not a lot of talk.

I think people are confusing 'good music' with 'good music to talk about'.

(It should be clear for example, that terrible music is often great to talk about)

― mei (mei), Wednesday, 25 August 2004 08:14 (twenty-one years ago)

(Hence the amount of discussion about The Smiths, U2, Dave Matthews Band etc.)

― mei (mei), Wednesday, 25 August 2004 08:14 (twenty-one years ago)

;-)

― mei (mei), Wednesday, 25 August 2004 08:14 (twenty-one years ago)

'deviant'

― mei (mei), Wednesday, 25 August 2004 08:30 (twenty-one years ago)

After getting drunk with Tico Tico last night I can offer no further speculation on this list.

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Wednesday, 25 August 2004 08:31 (twenty-one years ago)

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