'Marquee Moon' LP is overrated

OP here and in the interest of full disclosure I was smoking crack in 2002

I didn't really appreciate television until I heard the eno demos of a few of the songs. The lp always sounded a bit flat to me, like something the needed but lacked the anxious energy of something like entertainment! to really bring it to life. Richard Hell's presence may have been that missing ingredient.

live at the waldorf is available for normal price from all the usual digital vendors (emusic, itunes etc) if you don't need a CD of it. And I agree it is a staggering example of what half-decent sound quality can do for a live recording

i was at the blow up show, i think. my friend made his own dumb tape of it and for weeks we thought they had a new song called "fatso fatso."

beautiful

haha, it probably would've been a hit if it was really "fatso fatso".

i think the whole new york thing probably overrated. i mean i know it is. if you want to use that word. endlessly written about anyway (jeezus you could fill books on what has been written about richard hell and other than a cool name and cool hair and one fun song i dunno man...). ohio stuff way more exciting to me in general. 70's ohio. final solution alone is my shot heard round the world and the talking heads really are milk on toast in comparison. one big fat book about the ohio bands would be great. is there one? i would never underestimate the impact of ramones or suicide debut. don't get me wrong. i'm not crazy. and i'll let other people write endless books about patti. i dig pissing in the river anyway (and the springsteen tune). (my point being how many million words have been written about television and what boils down to the songs on one album? and they weren't no rimbaud. hell ian curtis was like 15 when he died and he was one prolific motherfucker. at least there is more to go on. cool hair too.)

This has some stuff on Ohio, yeah? http://www.amazon.com/From-Velvets-Voidoids-Pre-Punk-Post-Punk/dp/0140179704

i mean all those people did LOOK really cool. i spent half my childhood staring at pictures of lisa robinson canoodling on couches with dee dee ramone and alan vega so i'm not immune to their charms.

this is great by the way. 1978. also recorded by eno, funnily enough. my pal ted put it out on vinyl:

http://www.discogs.com/Mars-Live-At-Irving-Plaza/release/3556876

x-post- Heylin's Velvets to Voidoids book does have some details on the Ohio scene(s)

yeah that clinton heylin book has a very meaty section on the Ohio scene. I need to reread that. I haven't since it was new. There needs to be a whole book just on the Ohio stuff though.

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Heylin book is great imo, but yeah we could def use something like Please Kill Me for Cleveland/Akron

has there really not been a proto-punk ohio book? seems like it'd be a pretty fertile subject.
and scott is entitled to his opinion, but man, i really like television.

All NYC stuff is overrated except Television IMO

And Joseph Cornell

otm

Mars rules, not overrated.

I never liked most 70s NYC stuff either

i'm more of a miki & paul zone fan. the fast. man 2 man. love those guys.

actually the first talking heads album is hella underrated, that is a guitar heaven record. I loooove the way that thing is recorded. But that's it! That, and this birdcage here.

i dunno, the first ramones records, marquee moon/adventure, talking heads, the first hell/voidoids LP, horses ... maybe they're all old news, but that's a pretty amazing set of records from one scene imo.

ugh the talking heads

i think burning down the house is a work of genius. i love that song. other than that i like the hits okay. they are fun to sing along to in the car when i hear them on the radio.

add in first suicide record....no new york....horses...1st dolls record....being bored with reading about something isn't really a mark against the actual quality of the record

i love every last morsel of that ny stuff. that's my stuff. i am overrated.

i rate u very highly tsf

ditto, jl! i like the fast too, it goes w/o saying.

i'm trying to think of my fave 70's new york album. dolls debut is up there. that album is so much fun.

fuckin' secret treaties dog

p that or marquee moon for me

dude, BOC is like a whole 'nother level for me.

It's okay. I like a few tracks. Elevation is probably the only track I go back to.

Probably worth repeating how much of what people hear and like in that album is Richard Lloyd

imagine what all that mid-period Matthew Sweet would sound like without him. or don't.

all that sweet would be girlfriend and altered beast for me but i thought i was in it for the quine.

yeah quine rulz

i do feel like most NYC stuff is overrated. proto-punk and especially post-punk in general are overrated

and i don't care for television

it's like I don't even know you guys

Well sleeve, let me confirm that I am 100% pro-Television-is-not-overrated, but that is probably no news to you.

few things confused me as much as a young music enthusiast as robert quine (related to my parents' friend j@ne quine? -- a: y), richard hell, richard lloyd, lloyd cole, the verlaines, tom verlaine, etc

i agree that this album is somewhat overrated but the song "marquee moon" is not
also agree that someone should write a giant book about music in ohio

also i think 'entertainment!' is also overrated, i tried to listen to it a couple times but i sold it back to the record store

Your face is overrated.

i'd support a book about the ohio music scene, that'd be awesome

your city is overratted

overrated, even

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this album is fucking awesome and you ppl are fucking sad, nobody ever wrote a book about ohio cuz who wants to read about david thomas losing his temper w/ a white castle cashier