'Marquee Moon' LP is overrated

'torn curtain' is kind of a drag tho

The Blow Up vs. Live at the Waldorf?

I'd personally go with the Waldorf set. It's vastly better recorded, and while the Blow Up might have slightly more firey playing, the sound is distant to the point that it blunts the impact of the music.

'torn curtain' is kind of a drag tho

― j., Sunday, April 6, 2014 8:10 PM (3 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

00.00: song starts
08:43: spacey bit starts
09:17: spacey bit ends
09:18: drums come back in
09:31: guitars come back in
09:38: vocals come back in
10:28: end chord struck
10:40: song ends

― benrique (Enrique), Tuesday, October 17, 2006 7:04 PM (7 years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

i will always love the two nerd free birds they wrote but man i just never really dig this band. (crit bands i have tried hard to love and can't love: young marble giants, the saints, television. there are others.)

still, loving two songs by a band ain't bad. that's two more than the the cruzados or phil 'n' the blanks.

Wow...that's the first time I've seen Phil 'n' the Blanks mentioned since I picked up a copy of the Illinois Entertainer in 1987!

i don't own a single record by any of those CBgb art dudes. no hell, no t.v., no patti, no ramones, no heads. i do own a tuff darts album though. if they count. (those guys are easy to sell though which is why i never keep them. if i get the first ramones album in i play it once before i put it in the store.)

( i lied. i play "loudmouth" and then i put it out in the store.)

skot obv that oughta be 'freenerds'

kinda feel like the freenerds are t.v. urtexts that cause all their other songs to be ones in which you hear fragments and reflections of t.h.e. freenerd

wait through like respites so you can bear to ascend m.m. again

Lol I was wondering what "nerd-free birds" were

that would be skynyrd themselves i presume

The Blow Up vs. Live at the Waldorf?

― Mark, Sunday, April 6, 2014 3:17 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I'd personally go with the Waldorf set. It's vastly better recorded, and while the Blow Up might have slightly more firey playing, the sound is distant to the point that it blunts the impact of the music.

― Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Sunday, April 6, 2014 6:49 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I really like Live at the Waldorf as an Adventure apologist because I feel like that shows that Adventure could have been nearly as classic as MM if not for such thin, brittle production, the Adventure tunes on there really shine IMO

both the blow up and waldorf are fantastic, but yeah, the waldorf is way better sound quality wise -- and it's pretty much the only document of the band that sounds that good. whenever I put it on after listening to hundreds of shitty audience tapes it's almost like a different band altogether. last time i listened to it what stood out the most is just how amazing the ficca/smith rhythm section is/was.

Live at the Waldorf

fuckin Rhino Handmade, grrrr

Live at the Old Waldorf from Amazon:

Audio CD, Limited Edition (2003) $165.00 $105.99

that's the one thing i ever got at Record Store Day that I really covet, the vinyl

man, that's dumb that the CD costs so much. every home should have one.
bugged the producer of those reissues on twitter a few weeks ago, asking if he found any other pro recordings of Television and he said he didn't :'(

it's $55 on Discogs but still, blah

xp

OP here and in the interest of full disclosure I was smoking crack in 2002

I didn't really appreciate television until I heard the eno demos of a few of the songs. The lp always sounded a bit flat to me, like something the needed but lacked the anxious energy of something like entertainment! to really bring it to life. Richard Hell's presence may have been that missing ingredient.

live at the waldorf is available for normal price from all the usual digital vendors (emusic, itunes etc) if you don't need a CD of it. And I agree it is a staggering example of what half-decent sound quality can do for a live recording

i was at the blow up show, i think. my friend made his own dumb tape of it and for weeks we thought they had a new song called "fatso fatso."

beautiful

haha, it probably would've been a hit if it was really "fatso fatso".

i think the whole new york thing probably overrated. i mean i know it is. if you want to use that word. endlessly written about anyway (jeezus you could fill books on what has been written about richard hell and other than a cool name and cool hair and one fun song i dunno man...). ohio stuff way more exciting to me in general. 70's ohio. final solution alone is my shot heard round the world and the talking heads really are milk on toast in comparison. one big fat book about the ohio bands would be great. is there one? i would never underestimate the impact of ramones or suicide debut. don't get me wrong. i'm not crazy. and i'll let other people write endless books about patti. i dig pissing in the river anyway (and the springsteen tune). (my point being how many million words have been written about television and what boils down to the songs on one album? and they weren't no rimbaud. hell ian curtis was like 15 when he died and he was one prolific motherfucker. at least there is more to go on. cool hair too.)

This has some stuff on Ohio, yeah? http://www.amazon.com/From-Velvets-Voidoids-Pre-Punk-Post-Punk/dp/0140179704

i mean all those people did LOOK really cool. i spent half my childhood staring at pictures of lisa robinson canoodling on couches with dee dee ramone and alan vega so i'm not immune to their charms.

this is great by the way. 1978. also recorded by eno, funnily enough. my pal ted put it out on vinyl:

http://www.discogs.com/Mars-Live-At-Irving-Plaza/release/3556876

x-post- Heylin's Velvets to Voidoids book does have some details on the Ohio scene(s)

yeah that clinton heylin book has a very meaty section on the Ohio scene. I need to reread that. I haven't since it was new. There needs to be a whole book just on the Ohio stuff though.

xposts

Heylin book is great imo, but yeah we could def use something like Please Kill Me for Cleveland/Akron

has there really not been a proto-punk ohio book? seems like it'd be a pretty fertile subject.
and scott is entitled to his opinion, but man, i really like television.

All NYC stuff is overrated except Television IMO

And Joseph Cornell

otm

Mars rules, not overrated.

I never liked most 70s NYC stuff either

i'm more of a miki & paul zone fan. the fast. man 2 man. love those guys.

actually the first talking heads album is hella underrated, that is a guitar heaven record. I loooove the way that thing is recorded. But that's it! That, and this birdcage here.

i dunno, the first ramones records, marquee moon/adventure, talking heads, the first hell/voidoids LP, horses ... maybe they're all old news, but that's a pretty amazing set of records from one scene imo.

ugh the talking heads

i think burning down the house is a work of genius. i love that song. other than that i like the hits okay. they are fun to sing along to in the car when i hear them on the radio.

add in first suicide record....no new york....horses...1st dolls record....being bored with reading about something isn't really a mark against the actual quality of the record

i love every last morsel of that ny stuff. that's my stuff. i am overrated.

i rate u very highly tsf

ditto, jl! i like the fast too, it goes w/o saying.

i'm trying to think of my fave 70's new york album. dolls debut is up there. that album is so much fun.

fuckin' secret treaties dog