"4:13 Dream" by the Cure

it would be my fourth? fifth? time seeing them. nothing's ever going to be the disintegration or wish tour again, should save myself the bother I suppose

I dunno, I saw them a few years ago, and they did a pretty damn amazing 3-hour show. Sounded great, played all kinds of stuff, wow. Would go see them again in a second.

Especially if, as people are saying, the upcoming tour will involve playing the Top, Head on the Door, and Kiss Me in their entirety.

A festival show wouldn't.

it would be funny if they just played stuff from the top at a festival show

It would be excellent if they just played stuff from The Top at a festival show, and maybe threw in a few curiosities from around about the same era, like 'Throw Your Foot'.

I'd say you're in for at least a few surprises because they've finally started playing b-sides and rarely heard album cuts in the last year or so.

i would love to see the Cure yet again. i think i have seen them around 10 times. hmm Napa is about 500 miles away...

i liked 4:13 Dream but the production was awful. i hope the rerelease will fix that. "Underneath the Stars" is a great song along with a few more i can vouch for.

The great thing about 'Underneath the Stars' is that it's an old outtake from Wish.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=anfVeYG60iA

A year on, and still no 4:14 Scream...

Haha - as if that was ever gonna happen

I make up for it by playing "The Scream" on a loop

Part of me thinks that Smith/The Cure should just concentrate on new music rather than trying to make something out of the 4:13 Dream off-cuts. I mean, it's clear to me that Smith (and the band) have problems with this material for a variety of reasons. The bizarre thing is, it almost feels like Smith is unable to get to working on new music until he gets this "era" of the band out of his system.

In an interview from a few years ago he said he didn't feel the urge to make new music anymore. I think his attitude is that if it happens then it happens but he's not going to try for its own sake.

And I don't really see why this Scream album won't come out.

Well, nobody involved in making the album seems to be particularly enthusiastic about it.

In some respects, cruise control is kinda all right for them. That said I'd REALLY appreciate the rest of the reissues now, I mean even Siouxsie and the Banshees got theirs completed and it seemed dead in the water there for a bit.

I daresay I've been waiting for the Wish reissue more fervently than any new material.

It'll be funny if 4:14 Scream comes out in 2018, ten years after the first lot of the sessions was released.

Too bad RS is such a proud luddite cuz he could have put all of this up on Bandcamp and be done with it

He's been doing dedicated streaming microsites since ...1998?

Having recently revisited this album and its associated b-sides in light of all the recent Cure activity, I came up with my ideal revised tracklisting for this album:

Underneath the Stars
Down Under
Switch
Sleep When I'm Dead
The Hungry Ghost
Freakshow
Sirensong
The Perfect Boy
All Kinds of Stuff
NY Trip
The Scream
It's Over

This exercise made me very fond of this set of songs for the first time, it's just a shame that Robbo decided to stick a few glaring clunkers on the album proper and the mix is generally really bad.

Reasons Why is missing. It's one of the better ones. Would prob ditch Freakshow instead
4:13 is one of the rare latter Cure albums where the B-sides are not partic strong IMO

Probably because they were saving the better of the additional material for the second part of the album, which again reminds me...

Where's this fucking album, Robert?

i hate 'reasons why'. the melody is just so...ugh. obvious? annoying?

The chorus is good but the verses get on my nerves.

I think The Real Snow White is underrated

I remember a lot of the songs sounding much better, esp Hungry Ghost and Reasons Why, when they premiered the album live in Rome at for a TV special. Haven't managed to dig up an audio rip

'The Real Snow White' is great, one of my favourites on the record - absolutely love that chorus.

Yeah, I really can't stand The Reasons Why.

You can add "4:14 Scream" (or whatever the revised title was going to be) on the pile of other announced (or strongly hinted at) Cure projects that are gathering dust somewhere - the Reflections DVD, the Latin American 2012 tour film by Tim Pope, the Wish remaster, the In Orange and Show DVDs, etc.

i kind of doubt the existence of this record now

I get the sense that in the absence of a manager or record company enforcing a firm deadline, Robert will just tinker with things indefinitely.

I heard that he made a statement online about being unhappy with how the label were doing things when 4:13 Dream came out.

Yeah, he wanted the album to come out as a double lp (hence the leftovers) and Geffen said no supposedly

feeling much more charitible toward bloodflowers this week after giving it another listen. I found it dreadfully boring and uninspired when it came out; and it's no disintegration, certainly, but at least it sounds good, which is more than you can say for the next two records.

Jesus, the wah wah on this album is irritating.

Great set of songs, terrible production/mix.

yep

wow this is already nine years old? Is there any talk of a new album? This is by far the longest the group has ever gone without a record

There was some talk a couple of years back about 4:14 Scream, but clearly that's now been put on the back burner.

I've had 4:14 Scream in my "looking forward to" albums running list on Discogs for the last six years: https://www.discogs.com/lists/Favorites-of-2017/332378

I'll buy it as soon as it becomes available. Low as my expectations may be.

kind of doubting a new album is ever going to show up, which is probably fine

i posted those two new songs in the C/D Cure thread on here last year when they toured the Rose Bowl. one song was excellent and the other was good, not great. i still think they should make albums, i just think Robert Smith is feed up with dealing with record companies.

Given the size of his locked-in fan base don't really see how/why distribution would be a problem for him. I think he just doesn't have the songs on him anymore

Yeah, I think it's very possible he's ran out of ideas.

Songs on him = he doesn't have access to the second part of this album or he can't write new songs?

He has said before that he was having difficulty doing new stuff that wasn't a weaker version of past glories and he didn't care that much about doing new albums anymore.

I'll be annoyed if the sequel never comes out because I thought this was a pretty solid album.

i'm quite sure they could come up with 8 to 9 good songs. maybe if he didn't think every record had to have 18 songs plus 4 alternate b-sides for japan he'd feel less pressure. 17 Seconds and Faith are perfectly good albums of a digestible length.

I recommend he freshens the band up, Mark E. Smith style, by firing Jason Cooper.

Jason hate, still? In 2017?

Boo.

Still sounds like a bad fit to my ears.

he is bad because who remembers his name? not me, certainly. he's been there forever and seems like a complete non-entity. maybe I'm just old.