CAN....S and D?

crowd is all retirement age now

What is Jaki doing these days?

x-p apparently the show is from the wdr archives, so actually it has nothing to do with the live rockpalast except that it was "presented" by the rockplast programme later on: http://www.wdr.de/tv/rockpalast/sendungsbeitraege/2014/0331/index.jsp

what are the precursors of Jaki's drumming style? I feel like the crowd should be totally losing their shit over it more but maybe it's not as revolutionary as I think it was?

here's something kinda recent from jaki
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pHEcPX9VNNw

I've always connected Jaki with Tony Allen, feel like there's a drum groove kinship there.

I've only seen one interview with him and he claims to be 100% self-taught -- I have no idea how he developed his style though. He didn't say much in the Can DVD either because Irmin Schmidt never stops talking. I would probably faint if I saw him play irl.

yeah, tony williams is a good comparison. liebezeit came out of a free jazz scene didn't he?
i think it was michael rother who said jaki was the one genius of the krautrock scene.

I feel like the crowd should be totally losing their shit over it more

watching this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wZh4EmBbwd8
seems the full recording

what are the precursors of Jaki's drumming style? I feel like the crowd should be totally losing their shit over it more but maybe it's not as revolutionary as I think it was?

jaki's one of my favorite drummers as well. jaki was huge into jazz, so a contemporary of sorts might be jack dejohnette (listen to live miles from 1969/70 and you'll hear dejohnette busting out some similar moves). of course, jaki was doing his shit on delay 1968 so maybe he hadn't even heard dejohnette yet? james browns' drummers seems like a touchstone too.

If the question about the full Rockpalast Archives show being circulated before hasn't been answered before it looks like there is a series of old Rockpalast related shows being broadcast on German tv. THat's where the Kraftwerk set that recently appeared came from and from the same original series.
Not sure if this relates to the popularity of the Beat Club related material which has been appearing over the last few years as the Lost Broadcasts or not. & I'm assuming they're shows from rival tv stations.
But so great to see things appearing from then taht have lain dormant and unknown for 40+ years. THey are also broadcasting some US band stuff recorded for the same show. I've seen a Santana set mentioned. There's more on that at this link, http://www.wdr.de/tv/rockpalast/sendungsbeitraege/2013/from_the_archives/index.jsp

Liebezeit has done quite a few albums with Burnt Friedman (Secret Rhythms). And just two weeks ago this was released on which he plays on two tracks.

Shame "Mother Sky" sounds so terrible.

don't sleep on the Pluramon albums either, although they are from around 15 years ago

xp re: "current" Jaki projects

will do! i haven't heard any of that or the burnt friedman stuff. i saw that youtube posted but haven't heard the albums.

love this 12".

maybe Ginger Baker was in a similar ball park when it comes to Jaki comparators? A jazz drummer playing in a rock band (though "rock" is stretching it a bit for Can obviously)? Both fantastic drummers too, of course!

I really like secret rhythms

the girl's not just reading a book- it's a peanuts comic digest!

yeah I can see t williams/j dejohnette jazziness embedded in funk shell

Soundtracks had barely come out when this concert was filmed. I wonder how many of these kids had heard Damo before. Were there Mooney partisans in 1970?

yeah jaki's stuff with burnt friedman is great!!

As far as Jaki's other projects, Spielweise Zwei by B.I.L.L. works nicely for me. Released in 2010 on Klangbad. The teaser doesn't do it justice but it's a starting point:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X2idKCpRKMU

that last song sounds pretty awesome, not sure about the first two

all those people in the audience will now be between 60 and 70. weird, somehow.

I feel like Can has suddenly become contemporary, a basic model for a combo, rather than the "progenitor" status they've occupied for forty years. Similar to what happened to Velvet Underground circa 1984, Mission of Burma circa 1994 or Gang of Four circa 2001.

Most of those 65 year old audience members would still be as blank-faced seeing the gig now, but their grandkids wouldn't.

all those people in the audience will now be between 60 and 70. weird, somehow.

Much younger than the band of course (well the three that are left). Jaki did indeed come out of free jazz, playing with Manfred Schoof, Alex von Schlippenbach (played alongside Guru Guru's Mani Neumeier on one of the Globe Unity Orchestra albums), Gerd Dudek et al. Good stuff too.

Can Halen, anyone?

https://soundcloud.com/user121743766/can-halen

Are you happy?

http://idler.co.uk/article/duncan-fallowell-questionnaire/

"CASCADE WALTZ" IS INCREDIBLE

couple of CAN related questions:

will someone please give me a usable (not comedy) descriptor for music inspired by can that is not "krautrock"?
this is sort of the opposite of precursors, but do you think there is a modern school of drummers who are influenced by jaki's drumming style?

i know kosmische and motorik but that is not what i am looking for
is there another word?

julian cope uses "free rock", i think

oh but that's for can and not so much stuff that was inspired by can

To me the salient traits of can are

Steady and strict on the bottom

Anything goes on the top

No egos allowed on either stratum

Idk a good descriptor for them that evokes that balance

i know, neither do i!
free rock isn't bad, will consider it

Free rock makes me think of something like first ash ra tempel album

I would call CAN's music purposeful and introspective. Totally useless as rock descriptors though. For me Liebezeit and Czukay were the nucleus of a beautiful atom, with a fuzz of orbitals reacting around it.

progressive psychedelic rock

avant-psych

Exponential rock

can't believe I never checked this out before, basically a lost Can album from 1969

https://www.discogs.com/Irmin-Schmidt-Inner-Space-Production-Kamasutra-Vollendung-Der-Liebe-Original-Soundtrack-Recording/release/2078377

oh wowwww

downloading now from some old blog

I realized I had heard the "Hiding My Nightingale" song on the famous "Motorway Mix" by Trish of Broadcast, but the rest of this is just pure primo Can doing instrumental jams

too much flute around for me personally. what's that other really early david johnson era recording they did? prehistoric future?

i love rock flute, bring it

i wanna hear it!
ysi?

I'm gonna rip it, gimme a couple of days :)

it's on youtube.