goddamn, liebezeit is definitely the best drummer ever.
― tylerw, Tuesday, 1 April 2014 16:49 (ten years ago) link
he really is
― sleeve, Tuesday, 1 April 2014 16:50 (ten years ago) link
love the moment around 34:20 where they cut to a girl rocking out ... while reading a book. i think i need an oral history of this concert.
― tylerw, Tuesday, 1 April 2014 16:58 (ten years ago) link
Oh my god, this is an amazing video. Live Oh Yeah!
― jmm, Tuesday, 1 April 2014 17:56 (ten years ago) link
love the moment around 34:20 where they cut to a girl rocking out ... while reading a book.
She was the same one blowing bubbles earlier, wasn't she? I love pretty much everyone in this crowd.
― jmm, Tuesday, 1 April 2014 18:32 (ten years ago) link
Looks like the guy who put this up is putting up a longer version here (video is currently "processing" according to a message at the link):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3aJnsV8F2oY
― Position Position, Tuesday, 1 April 2014 18:53 (ten years ago) link
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thirded.
― nerve_pylon, Tuesday, 1 April 2014 18:55 (ten years ago) link
FOURTHED
dancing to can is also the funnest thing in the universe
― we slowly invented brains (La Lechera), Tuesday, 1 April 2014 19:12 (ten years ago) link
great stuff indeed. absolutely cantastic. this is what i call a groove. all those people in the audience will now be between 60 and 70. weird, somehow. it says the clip is from the rockpalast. as far as i know the rockpalast, a live music show on german tv, started around 1974, so that can't really be. soest is about the most provincial backwater imaginable, in 1970 innovative music was happening in these kind of places in germany, funny. the same was true for faust and wümme and cluster and forst.
― it's the distortion, stupid! (alex in mainhattan), Tuesday, 1 April 2014 19:57 (ten years ago) link
crowd is all retirement age now
― A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Tuesday, 1 April 2014 20:07 (ten years ago) link
What is Jaki doing these days?
― we slowly invented brains (La Lechera), Tuesday, 1 April 2014 20:07 (ten years ago) link
x-p apparently the show is from the wdr archives, so actually it has nothing to do with the live rockpalast except that it was "presented" by the rockplast programme later on: http://www.wdr.de/tv/rockpalast/sendungsbeitraege/2014/0331/index.jsp
― it's the distortion, stupid! (alex in mainhattan), Tuesday, 1 April 2014 20:09 (ten years ago) link
what are the precursors of Jaki's drumming style? I feel like the crowd should be totally losing their shit over it more but maybe it's not as revolutionary as I think it was?
― A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Tuesday, 1 April 2014 20:09 (ten years ago) link
here's something kinda recent from jaki https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pHEcPX9VNNw
― tylerw, Tuesday, 1 April 2014 20:10 (ten years ago) link
I've always connected Jaki with Tony Allen, feel like there's a drum groove kinship there.
― A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Tuesday, 1 April 2014 20:10 (ten years ago) link
I've only seen one interview with him and he claims to be 100% self-taught -- I have no idea how he developed his style though. He didn't say much in the Can DVD either because Irmin Schmidt never stops talking. I would probably faint if I saw him play irl.
― we slowly invented brains (La Lechera), Tuesday, 1 April 2014 20:12 (ten years ago) link
yeah, tony williams is a good comparison. liebezeit came out of a free jazz scene didn't he?i think it was michael rother who said jaki was the one genius of the krautrock scene.
― tylerw, Tuesday, 1 April 2014 20:13 (ten years ago) link
I feel like the crowd should be totally losing their shit over it more
― Tim Heckler (willem), Tuesday, 1 April 2014 20:14 (ten years ago) link
watching this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wZh4EmBbwd8seems the full recording
― Tim Heckler (willem), Tuesday, 1 April 2014 20:15 (ten years ago) link
jaki's one of my favorite drummers as well. jaki was huge into jazz, so a contemporary of sorts might be jack dejohnette (listen to live miles from 1969/70 and you'll hear dejohnette busting out some similar moves). of course, jaki was doing his shit on delay 1968 so maybe he hadn't even heard dejohnette yet? james browns' drummers seems like a touchstone too.
― Karl Malone, Tuesday, 1 April 2014 20:16 (ten years ago) link
If the question about the full Rockpalast Archives show being circulated before hasn't been answered before it looks like there is a series of old Rockpalast related shows being broadcast on German tv. THat's where the Kraftwerk set that recently appeared came from and from the same original series. Not sure if this relates to the popularity of the Beat Club related material which has been appearing over the last few years as the Lost Broadcasts or not. & I'm assuming they're shows from rival tv stations.But so great to see things appearing from then taht have lain dormant and unknown for 40+ years. THey are also broadcasting some US band stuff recorded for the same show. I've seen a Santana set mentioned. There's more on that at this link, http://www.wdr.de/tv/rockpalast/sendungsbeitraege/2013/from_the_archives/index.jsp
― Stevolende, Tuesday, 1 April 2014 20:19 (ten years ago) link
Liebezeit has done quite a few albums with Burnt Friedman (Secret Rhythms). And just two weeks ago this was released on which he plays on two tracks.
― Tim Heckler (willem), Tuesday, 1 April 2014 20:22 (ten years ago) link
Shame "Mother Sky" sounds so terrible.
― Tim Heckler (willem), Tuesday, 1 April 2014 20:31 (ten years ago) link
don't sleep on the Pluramon albums either, although they are from around 15 years ago
― sleeve, Tuesday, 1 April 2014 20:32 (ten years ago) link
xp re: "current" Jaki projects
will do! i haven't heard any of that or the burnt friedman stuff. i saw that youtube posted but haven't heard the albums.
― we slowly invented brains (La Lechera), Tuesday, 1 April 2014 20:38 (ten years ago) link
love this 12".
― nerve_pylon, Tuesday, 1 April 2014 20:42 (ten years ago) link
maybe Ginger Baker was in a similar ball park when it comes to Jaki comparators? A jazz drummer playing in a rock band (though "rock" is stretching it a bit for Can obviously)? Both fantastic drummers too, of course!
― Angkor Waht (Neil S), Tuesday, 1 April 2014 20:59 (ten years ago) link
I really like secret rhythms
― forum enthusiast (wins), Tuesday, 1 April 2014 21:00 (ten years ago) link
the girl's not just reading a book- it's a peanuts comic digest!
― rushomancy, Tuesday, 1 April 2014 21:15 (ten years ago) link
yeah I can see t williams/j dejohnette jazziness embedded in funk shell
― A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Tuesday, 1 April 2014 21:35 (ten years ago) link
Soundtracks had barely come out when this concert was filmed. I wonder how many of these kids had heard Damo before. Were there Mooney partisans in 1970?
― jmm, Tuesday, 1 April 2014 22:10 (ten years ago) link
yeah jaki's stuff with burnt friedman is great!!
― brimstead, Wednesday, 2 April 2014 02:28 (ten years ago) link
As far as Jaki's other projects, Spielweise Zwei by B.I.L.L. works nicely for me. Released in 2010 on Klangbad. The teaser doesn't do it justice but it's a starting point:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X2idKCpRKMU
― doug watson, Wednesday, 2 April 2014 16:05 (ten years ago) link
that last song sounds pretty awesome, not sure about the first two
― we slowly invented brains (La Lechera), Wednesday, 2 April 2014 16:23 (ten years ago) link
all those people in the audience will now be between 60 and 70. weird, somehow.
I feel like Can has suddenly become contemporary, a basic model for a combo, rather than the "progenitor" status they've occupied for forty years. Similar to what happened to Velvet Underground circa 1984, Mission of Burma circa 1994 or Gang of Four circa 2001.
Most of those 65 year old audience members would still be as blank-faced seeing the gig now, but their grandkids wouldn't.
― Yarl Kastremski (bendy), Wednesday, 2 April 2014 16:52 (ten years ago) link
Much younger than the band of course (well the three that are left). Jaki did indeed come out of free jazz, playing with Manfred Schoof, Alex von Schlippenbach (played alongside Guru Guru's Mani Neumeier on one of the Globe Unity Orchestra albums), Gerd Dudek et al. Good stuff too.
― Eats like Elvis, shits like De Niro (Tom D.), Wednesday, 2 April 2014 17:16 (ten years ago) link
Can Halen, anyone?
https://soundcloud.com/user121743766/can-halen
― nickn, Thursday, 5 March 2015 04:27 (nine years ago) link
Are you happy?
http://idler.co.uk/article/duncan-fallowell-questionnaire/
― Noel Emits, Thursday, 5 March 2015 09:34 (nine years ago) link
"CASCADE WALTZ" IS INCREDIBLE
― soyrev, Thursday, 5 March 2015 10:07 (nine years ago) link
couple of CAN related questions:
will someone please give me a usable (not comedy) descriptor for music inspired by can that is not "krautrock"? this is sort of the opposite of precursors, but do you think there is a modern school of drummers who are influenced by jaki's drumming style?
― La Lechuza (La Lechera), Friday, 11 December 2015 00:39 (eight years ago) link
i know kosmische and motorik but that is not what i am looking foris there another word?
― La Lechuza (La Lechera), Friday, 11 December 2015 00:40 (eight years ago) link
julian cope uses "free rock", i think
― lute bro (brimstead), Friday, 11 December 2015 00:45 (eight years ago) link
oh but that's for can and not so much stuff that was inspired by can
― lute bro (brimstead), Friday, 11 December 2015 00:46 (eight years ago) link
To me the salient traits of can are
Steady and strict on the bottom
Anything goes on the top
No egos allowed on either stratum
Idk a good descriptor for them that evokes that balance
― banned on ixlor (Jon not Jon), Friday, 11 December 2015 00:52 (eight years ago) link
i know, neither do i! free rock isn't bad, will consider it
― La Lechuza (La Lechera), Friday, 11 December 2015 00:58 (eight years ago) link
Free rock makes me think of something like first ash ra tempel album
― banned on ixlor (Jon not Jon), Friday, 11 December 2015 01:03 (eight years ago) link
I would call CAN's music purposeful and introspective. Totally useless as rock descriptors though. For me Liebezeit and Czukay were the nucleus of a beautiful atom, with a fuzz of orbitals reacting around it.
― MatthewK, Friday, 11 December 2015 01:13 (eight years ago) link
progressive psychedelic rock
― o. nate, Saturday, 12 December 2015 03:22 (eight years ago) link
avant-psych
― Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Saturday, 12 December 2015 07:41 (eight years ago) link