Warpaint

I mean some songs seemed quickly written and less than fully developed idea-wise--lets just add miscellanous sounds ontop of these beats, while others felt more fully composed and developed.

I thought my wife would like this, but she said it sounded like an indie version of Lorena McKennitt.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lc7Ke9Org9U

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lc7Ke9Org9U

I see the resemblance. It's the drums + breathy reverbed vocals.

This is better with the lights out

or long walks at nite in cool temps

or in a bus on the motorway in the pouring rain

this album super rules

"Up all night..."

http://pitchfork.com/news/55005-warpaint-criticize-beyonce-and-rihanna-for-hyper-sexual-music/

Um, plz shut up.

yeah. Apart from the fact that calling music hypersexual as a pejorative is horribly outdated and basically just stupid, the most sexually charged songs on the Beyoncé album describe interactions between a man and a woman in a 10+ year relationship - yes, it's shamelessly sexual, but it's also an album about love and devotion and the triumphs and pitfalls of a relationship. It's not the portrait of a "slut".

And also, Warpaint aren't exactly prudes themselves. Pretty sure a lot of people were fascinated with them early on because of that topless picture of the bassist that did the rounds, as well as the very suggestive video for "Elephants".

Theresa's clarification. News items say she was "misquoted" but she seems smarter and more honest than that.

https://www.facebook.com/warpaintwarpaint/posts/10152319640790186

Chal Ravens ‏@chalravens 21m
Warpaint apologise (read: grovel in face of mighty Beyonce) and claim to have spoken as 'fans and consumers, not card-carrying feminists'

Chal Ravens ‏@chalravens 20m
PSA: Feminists must carry their cards AT ALL TIMES. If you are speaking in public or to a journalist, FLASH YOUR CARD.

The weird thing is that Q obviously doesn't think the comments were a big deal because they're not in the standfirst or pullquotes - they're just an aside really, and the writer is possibly the most upbeat and least devious interviewers I know.

"A journalist came on our bus and casually asked us..."

Hmmmm. Maybe I give musicians too much credit for knowing what is and what isn't an interview situation, but this strikes me as disingenuous.

I can certainly relate to "complex arguments and commentary taken out of context and reduced to simplistic and misrepresentative ones" but that whole "oops, forgot my Feminist Card that day" is a bit weird.

On the other hand, not having read the Q interview in full, I have no idea if the agenda is on the part of Warpaint or on the part of a journalist who wanted to represent them a certain way. "White Feminists (tm) Are Racist" is certainly true in many, many cases. But I'm also aware of how "White Feminists Are Racist" is a trope much used by white males who are not actually anti-racist but just anti-Feminist in order to discredit any woman with an opinion. It really comes down to who the journalist is, and I dunno, but hmmmm.... because it's Q Magazine, I'm guessing the journalist in question was probably a white male and not a black woman? Unless Q has vastly changed its hiring practices?

I don't know who to side with here. Warpaint don't come off well either in the quote or in the apology, but, y'know, Q Magazine are hardly standard bearers for gender or race issues, so I am really fucking suspicious of the way that this is presented.

Journalist was Sylvia Patterson, white but not a man. Feels to me as if a longer conversation was condensed for space reasons and as a result feels more strident or simplistic than Wayman intended, but she doesn't claim she didn't say the words.

Oh, it was Sylvia Patterson. Never mind. x-post

Also, the fact that Lily fucking Allen is on the cover means that has just lost Q any credit I may ever have granted them.

tbh of the multitudes of people, both self-identifying as liberal feminists and not, who STILL hold these slut-shamey opinions, warpaint are hardly a blip - it's more illustrative of how deeply entrenched these ideas are that remarks like this can be made as asides by a marginally famous indie band

Surprised she used the word slut tbh but it's OK to express disappointment with certain decisions made by artists you generally admire. I still have problems with Drunk in Love because of Jay-Z's Ike Turner lines, which is a pisser because it's such a great song.

"White American Culture is deeply imbued with racism and racist ideals" is news to fucking no one. But I'm just suspicious of the way that "White American woman is deeply imbued with racism and racist ideals" becomes a tool not to decry racism or White American Culture, but to decry A Woman, or better yet to discredit Feminism itself. I am not arguing that these ideas aren't pretty terrible, or that remarks like this aren't indicative of a deeply racist culture. But again, it's that thing of picking up an individual and going "X is a racist!" ignores the problem that racism and slut-shaming and misogynoir is not *just* a problem of A White Woman, or White Women or White Feminism. It is a problem of all of White America (and White Europe, too.) But when it becomes a discrediting tool to specifically dismantle A Woman, or the concept of Feminism, rather than addressing racism and misogynoir.

It's disappointing that Warpaint said the things, in whatever context. But having the nous to apologise (even when she veers into apolosplaining) shows way more self awareness than Lily Allen ever did. "What would popular female artists present like if they weren't facing the societal pressures of sexualisation?" is an interesting question that *every* female musicians comes up against, whether it's applied to Rhianna or Warpaint (topless bassist photos and all. Why do sexualised bassist photos count against Warpaint but not against Interpol? That's an interesting question, too.) but recognition of the racalised aspects of sexualisation is way too complex a topic for Q, I guess.

But this whole thing is probably too subtle an argument for ILM, let alone Q Magazine or P4k, who are looking to generate outrage for maximum pagehits and "White 'Feminist' Says Something Outrageously Racist" is a massive page-spinner on many fronts right now. Warpaint are a blip, but the blip is gonna count against them, not against the massive fucking wall of White American Racism.

Warpaint are a bunch of stoner-ass hippies. Of course they're gonna think that people's talents could be put to a higher use than the waggling of butts.

Also, from the interviews I've seen of them, they aren't particularly adept at handling the press. Stella is usually able to handle herself passably well. Jenny kinda. Teresa and Emily have never looked comfortable in an interview I've seen of them.

Hoping to get tickets to see them open for Nick Cave in Milwaukee. P excited.

Still think the new album rules.

It does, but 'Drive' rules especially hard. Buried as penultimate track, where so many of the best songs seem to be. That change-up halfway through! Oof. One of the best songs of the year.

just remembered i'm seeing them on the 20th!

drive is awesome, esp. on an album that is totally in need of a climax.

Wardrobe

man...

saw them open for nick cave this weekend about as disappointed i've been by a band i was excited to see

obviously not sure if a bigger venue is really right for them and the sound was a bit swampy but yeah at least in a theater setting they came off as kind of half-assed and disjointed

they did a "jam" at the end that was just super sloppy and not engaging at all, they just don't have the musicality to pull something like that off

reminds me of when i saw the Blank Dogs who i was in love with and they were so lame and i've never been able to really dig them the same way again :/

aw :/

i'm not super surprised for some reason tho there are some great-sounding live videos of songs from the new record on youtube. maybe just an off day.

yeah it's hard to say, was really excited (though there's also the effect that bad seeds basically dropped a nuclear bomb on the venue after and 99 percent of bands would have suffered in comparison)...

but yeah...muddled is the best word

p large venue though, maybe a better small club band?

I've never seen them, but I've watched a few live shows on youtube and listened to a few bootlegs. Sometimes they're amazing, but sometimes they really don't have it together. Totally agree that the onstage jam sessions don't do them any favors.

Who else besides me is going to see them Thursday in Prospect Park?

i've heard bad things about that jam for a few years. i keep missing them when they play sf.

pretty sexy with the strange brew at Pickathon. Hope they won't change because I said that.
http://new.livestream.com/pickathon/events/3228592

Some excursions, not too jammy. Think they've delicately excised certain effects from Television/solo Verlaine, but not too much.

Kind of Bush Tetras now. Bass gets a chance to shine more here; drums have consistently sharpened focal points too.

Okay, here's a jam, at the end. They like them some Raincoats, Slits, and shoegaze too. Pretty cool.

reminds me of when i saw the Blank Dogs who i was in love with and they were so lame and i've never been able to really dig them the same way again :/

lol never seen warpaint, but had precisely the same exp w/ blank dogs

vmic EOY bump because this album is great

vmnic didn't listen to this album since about a month after it came out. I owe it to them to revisit.

man i wish i'd never seen them live ;_;

yes I bought the vinyl yesterday after taking a long break from it. It's even better this time.

gonna be my #1 most likely

i like this, tho not anywhere close to the first record and ep; relistened to some of it today to try and pinpoint why -- its a little to loose and aimless feeling i think, like in biggie esp as an example, idk tho really

agree, EC and the fool were more cohesive and consistent.

This remix of Biggy is nice:

https://soundcloud.com/warpaintwarpaint/biggy-baardsen-remix

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oh well.

see imo in this record they embraced not being cohesive and its so much better for it.