Also, I think Talk has an original chord progression, just the riff is taken from kraftwerk.
― RalphTheHardDrive (RalphTheHardDrive), Wednesday, 5 April 2006 19:32 (eighteen years ago) link
Talk takes its chords directly from the synthbass on the original...
I lioke what Radiohead attempt to be even if I haven't liked their actual music from Amnesiac onwards... (too half arsed, not weird enough, not angry enough) and their fans are cunts, tis true, actually walked outof the last one of their gigs i went to cos the fans were pissing me off too much...
Coldplay are extremely conventional, on their last album Martin is frequently flat especially on his falsetto, and their lyrics are bilge to an incredible, risible degree. Guitarwise they exist entirely within a U2 / Bunnymen matrix. Dull dull dull, achingly, bedwettingly, prematurely ejaculatingly, flacidly dull. I know rubbishing them is almost as dull, but just cos they're an easy target doesn't mean they're not a perfectly valid one.
― gek-opel, Wednesday, 5 April 2006 19:48 (eighteen years ago) link
(Um, not that there isn't definitely a cunt contingent.)
― Melissa W (Melissa W), Wednesday, 5 April 2006 20:12 (eighteen years ago) link
A verse or a chorus may build on a 4 chord loop, but if the rest of the song does not (like the bridge, for instance, most of their songs have a somewhat contrasting bridge, which is also a sign that they know something about classic quality songwriting) build on the same 4 chords, then the entire song isn't based on a 4 chord loop even if part of it is.
Interestingly, though, the most harmonically repetitive Coldplay songs often tend to be rhythmically "interesting", which is why a lot of ILM'ers not very into Coldplay may pick exactly those songs as their favourite ("Clocks", for instance, which IMO is among their weakest and most repetitive songs)
― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Wednesday, 5 April 2006 20:28 (eighteen years ago) link
― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Wednesday, 5 April 2006 20:31 (eighteen years ago) link
― grapple (grapple), Wednesday, 5 April 2006 23:08 (eighteen years ago) link
ah, mr. snrub. you appear with the tedious inevitability of an unloved season.
Okay, so I never thought I'd see a Moonraker quote on here...
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 5 April 2006 23:15 (eighteen years ago) link
― mookieproof (mookieproof), Wednesday, 5 April 2006 23:22 (eighteen years ago) link
i am clearly lurking on alternate-universe ILM today.
― A|ex P@reene (Pareene), Wednesday, 5 April 2006 23:31 (eighteen years ago) link
You put me on a shelf And kept me for yourself I can only blame myself You can only blame me
And I could write a song A hundred miles long Well that's where I belong And you belong with me
And I could write it down And spread it all around Get lost and then get found or swallowed in the sea
You put me on a line And hung me out to dry And darling, that's when I decided to go see
You cut me down to size And opened up my eyes Made me realize What I could not see
And I could write a book The one they'll say that shook The world and then it took It took it back from me
And I could write it down And spread it all around Get lost and then get found And you'll come back to me Not swallowed in the sea
The streets you're walking on A thousand houses long Well, that's where I belong And you belong with me
Oh, what good is it to live With nothing left to give Forget, but not forgive Not loving all you see
All the streets you're walking on A thousand houses long Well, that's where I belong And you belong with me Not swallowed in the sea
You belong with me Not swallowed in the sea Yeah, you belong with me Not swallowed in the sea
Mmmyes, well, I'm touched.
― Lotta Continua (Damian), Wednesday, 5 April 2006 23:38 (eighteen years ago) link
I don't listen to lyrics much, so I had no idea they were *that* bad. Jesus.
― Melissa W (Melissa W), Thursday, 6 April 2006 00:06 (eighteen years ago) link
I am aware of this, but that doesn't mean it's a valid reason to dislike something. Just ignore it. Reminds me of high school and kids who "just think ugliness is like, really beautiful in a way, you know?"
― regular roundups (Dave M), Thursday, 6 April 2006 00:21 (eighteen years ago) link
Especially since they broke up and released their last album five years ago.
― Mr. Snrub (Mr. Snrub), Thursday, 6 April 2006 00:28 (eighteen years ago) link
― latebloomer: someone's been drinking my youth! (latebloomer), Thursday, 6 April 2006 00:58 (eighteen years ago) link
― latebloomer: someone's been drinking my youth! (latebloomer), Thursday, 6 April 2006 00:59 (eighteen years ago) link
Ah, there's the rub. They are harmless, since U2 IS THE MOST POWERFUL BAND IN THE WORLD AND WILL NEVER BE STOPPED OR REPLACED AS THE SOUNDTRACK TO NEO-LIBERAL KAPITAL!!!!!! You don't need a bench if your starters are invincible AND immortal.
― regular roundups (Dave M), Thursday, 6 April 2006 05:11 (eighteen years ago) link
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 6 April 2006 05:24 (eighteen years ago) link
― Pandas At War (pandas at war), Thursday, 6 April 2006 12:09 (eighteen years ago) link
― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Thursday, 6 April 2006 13:00 (eighteen years ago) link
― Real Goths Don't Wear Black (Enrique), Thursday, 6 April 2006 13:04 (eighteen years ago) link
― mark grout (mark grout), Thursday, 6 April 2006 13:17 (eighteen years ago) link
(the latter, obviously, being coldplay)
― Lawrence the Looter (Lawrence the Looter), Thursday, 6 April 2006 13:18 (eighteen years ago) link
― Real Goths Don't Wear Black (Enrique), Thursday, 6 April 2006 13:21 (eighteen years ago) link
xpost to myself. Him.
― mark grout (mark grout), Thursday, 6 April 2006 13:21 (eighteen years ago) link
And Fran Healy beats him. Thom Yorke was better around 1997 though.
― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Thursday, 6 April 2006 13:26 (eighteen years ago) link
― Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Thursday, 6 April 2006 13:43 (eighteen years ago) link
I mean I'm not keen on Yorke, but that still expresses only 2% of the absolute sheer nastiness horror that is this video.
― Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Thursday, 6 April 2006 13:44 (eighteen years ago) link
― J-rock (Julien Sandiford), Thursday, 6 April 2006 13:49 (eighteen years ago) link
"So you like to buy your clothes from third-world child labor shops. Do you think the Chinese or the Japanese are better?"
― regular roundups (Dave M), Thursday, 6 April 2006 15:00 (eighteen years ago) link
Thom Yorke is a musical genius who treats music as an art form. Radiohead are more talented, more intelligent, more political, more introspective and deserve to be called artists. Chris Martin is not an artist. He's a corporate tool who writes repetitive, bland, shallow and emo lyrics and sounds like he's being emasculated when he sings. How can you say he's genuine when he writes lyrics like "for you i bleed myself dry?" i mean come on people. Coldplay are no better than Simple Plan. Chris Martin may say all the right things- "war is bad"; get the fuck up and do something about it! Radiohead do. But this man is a total airhead and he's completely controlled by other people. Coldplay readily admit that they model themselves after Radiohead and steal their ideas. Without Radiohead there would be no Coldplay; just listen to The Bends and OK Computer. Chris Martin publicly admires Thom Yorke and Yorke has said he thinks Martin sucks and wants nothing to do with his band. Surprised?
Don't get me wrong, everyone should listen to whatever music they want and create whatever music they want but we're talking about who the better artist is, not who has the more clever marketing techniques or who was born with the prettier face. There's no room for argument here. No one is comparing Limp Bizkit to The Beatles, right?
I wrote about this at length on my blog if you want to read it:http://utopiandrive.blogspot.com/2006/04/radiohead-vs-coldplay.html
― utopiandrive, Saturday, 8 April 2006 19:38 (eighteen years ago) link
― A|ex P@reene (Pareene), Saturday, 8 April 2006 19:40 (eighteen years ago) link
― gekoppel (Gekoppel), Saturday, 8 April 2006 19:58 (eighteen years ago) link
― Melissa W (Melissa W), Sunday, 9 April 2006 21:20 (eighteen years ago) link
― Smacked into a Trance (noodle vague), Sunday, 9 April 2006 21:28 (eighteen years ago) link
I haven't read anything on ILM so bold since first coming upon Geir's posts.
― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Sunday, 9 April 2006 21:58 (eighteen years ago) link
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 9 April 2006 22:03 (eighteen years ago) link
― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Sunday, 9 April 2006 22:05 (eighteen years ago) link
Radiohead are (arguably) only beginning to show signs of their creative powers dimming a bit on their sixth.
― fandango (fandango), Sunday, 9 April 2006 22:10 (eighteen years ago) link
Shouldn't this thread really be Coldplay vs. Travis anyways?
― M. Biondi (M. Biondi), Sunday, 9 April 2006 22:45 (eighteen years ago) link
― Vic Funk, Monday, 10 April 2006 00:15 (eighteen years ago) link
― jimnaseum (jimnaseum), Monday, 10 April 2006 00:36 (eighteen years ago) link
― James Mitchell (James Mitchell), Monday, 10 April 2006 15:26 (eighteen years ago) link
― gekoppel (Gekoppel), Monday, 10 April 2006 15:40 (eighteen years ago) link
― jellybean (jellybean), Monday, 10 April 2006 15:43 (eighteen years ago) link
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 10 April 2006 15:44 (eighteen years ago) link
― gekoppel (Gekoppel), Monday, 10 April 2006 15:48 (eighteen years ago) link
― Roz (Roz), Monday, 10 April 2006 15:50 (eighteen years ago) link
― gekoppel (Gekoppel), Monday, 10 April 2006 15:55 (eighteen years ago) link
You're so less-than-one-hour ago.
― James Mitchell (James Mitchell), Monday, 10 April 2006 16:17 (eighteen years ago) link
That is exactly what is great about Coldplay. Those of us who love them get more of what we love each time around.
― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Monday, 10 April 2006 16:53 (eighteen years ago) link
― Enrique IX: The Mediator (Enrique), Friday, 26 May 2006 07:50 (eighteen years ago) link
Now do you have anything productive at all to say or not ?
― Johnny B, Friday, 26 May 2006 21:00 (eighteen years ago) link