― Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Thursday, 12 February 2004 14:27 (twenty years ago) link
(as well all know it can be hard to get hold of that kind of stuff)
― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Thursday, 12 February 2004 14:28 (twenty years ago) link
― Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Thursday, 12 February 2004 14:30 (twenty years ago) link
x-post
― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Thursday, 12 February 2004 14:32 (twenty years ago) link
Marcello got it right - Wire is becoming a magazine for 40 year old ex-Goths. Fuck Coil/ Current 93 and all that garbage.
I like Ian Penman too but he overdoes the punning and wordplay and he likes Coil.
― Dadaismus (Dada), Thursday, 12 February 2004 14:33 (twenty years ago) link
maybe next month we can look forward to that long awaited alec empire reappraisal... total destruk-shun the only solu-shun la la la
― prima_fassy (mwah), Thursday, 12 February 2004 14:34 (twenty years ago) link
(and current 93 can be marvellous).
― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Thursday, 12 February 2004 14:36 (twenty years ago) link
― ENRQ (Enrique), Thursday, 12 February 2004 14:37 (twenty years ago) link
― prima_fassy (mwah), Thursday, 12 February 2004 14:38 (twenty years ago) link
― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Thursday, 12 February 2004 14:39 (twenty years ago) link
― Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Thursday, 12 February 2004 14:44 (twenty years ago) link
― Dave Stelfox (Dave Stelfox), Thursday, 12 February 2004 14:46 (twenty years ago) link
― ENRQ (Enrique), Thursday, 12 February 2004 14:47 (twenty years ago) link
― Tico Tico (Tico Tico), Thursday, 12 February 2004 14:47 (twenty years ago) link
― Dadaismus (Dada), Thursday, 12 February 2004 14:48 (twenty years ago) link
x-post: which one tico? I have 'sleep has his house', mostly short songs, very pared down folk and the last track is palestine like minimalism (he of course cut the karenina double CD on david tibet's durtro label). Its my only one of theirs but its triffic!!!
― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Thursday, 12 February 2004 14:54 (twenty years ago) link
― Dadaismus (Dada), Thursday, 12 February 2004 14:56 (twenty years ago) link
― Tico Tico (Tico Tico), Thursday, 12 February 2004 15:01 (twenty years ago) link
mark s = Mark Sinker
Duh! How hilarious.
― Dadaismus (Dada), Thursday, 12 February 2004 15:07 (twenty years ago) link
― cozen (Cozen), Thursday, 12 February 2004 19:39 (twenty years ago) link
― pete s, Thursday, 12 February 2004 21:31 (twenty years ago) link
― jed_ (jed), Thursday, 12 February 2004 21:54 (twenty years ago) link
― cozen (Cozen), Saturday, 12 February 2005 15:05 (nineteen years ago) link
i've seen ip several times since his blog froze, and he wz fine, but only spoke once since j.balance died (which hit him v.hard) so what jerry said :(
hi dada! sorry i wz so taciturn on thur, i wz just v.tired and somewhat preoccupied
― mark s (mark s), Saturday, 12 February 2005 15:36 (nineteen years ago) link
― Derek Kent, Thursday, 2 February 2006 04:59 (eighteen years ago) link
― Momus (Momus), Thursday, 2 February 2006 05:31 (eighteen years ago) link
"Here we are again with the problems of producing music, hearing music writing about same. Here we are again with... on the one hand, a proposition such as The Fall, on the other such doleful music press hacks and cultural consumerist quacks as practice little more than daily breadwinning, more concerned with the width of a riff than the quality of language."
Ian Penman, NME, 1980
"And so we come to the business of constructing pop in 1986. Of tugging, tearing, forgetting, pretending. Of joy, despair, artifice. And still we find falling in love and saying "no" communicated in simply awful cyphers scraped on bright red plastic. The haircut appears to be mightier than the word."
Paul Mathur, Melody Maker, 1986
Mathur went on, of course, to write books about Oasis.
But I think Penman's style, the kind he still uses on his blog (and I see traces of it in Mark S's cryptic infoldings, showy opacities and loose grammar) has dated very badly. The surprise winner of 1980s UK rock writing's Posterity Awards is (for me, at least) the Smash Hits school pioneered by Neil Tennant, Chris Heath, Sylvia Patterson, Tom Hibbert. I have no idea whether any of these people have blogs. I hear Neil has a band, though.
― Momus (Momus), Thursday, 2 February 2006 06:52 (eighteen years ago) link
When he does this he seems to me to be in thrall to a romantic / authenticist paradigm, in which the purpose of music is seen as a channel between those who are able to feel that bit more deeply than other people.
Even the "fun" involved sounds like hard work.
It's like a peculiarly rockist anti-rockism and I suspect that the trajectory that Paul Morley's writing has taken is in part inspired by a reaction against it.
― Harthill Services (Neil Willett), Thursday, 2 February 2006 07:22 (eighteen years ago) link
― Momus (Momus), Thursday, 2 February 2006 13:29 (eighteen years ago) link
Just noticed that his name is misspelt as Ian Menman on the back of the Wire/Scott Walker book
― sʌxihɔːl (Ward Fowler), Friday, 3 October 2014 08:01 (nine years ago) link
"Ian Penman, who started writing for the NME in 1977, is working on a novel about music and terror in 1970s Britain."
And I for one can't wait.
― xyzzzz__, Friday, 3 October 2014 08:08 (nine years ago) link
Not gonna happen
― please delete outrageous tanuki crappyposter (wins), Friday, 3 October 2014 12:13 (nine years ago) link
His stuff for the lrb has been really good
― please delete outrageous tanuki crappyposter (wins), Friday, 3 October 2014 12:14 (nine years ago) link
I like the idea of it.
― xyzzzz__, Friday, 3 October 2014 12:30 (nine years ago) link
Oh me too! But I remember that his byline always used to say he was "working on" books about Bryan Ferry and Billie Holiday (the latter even had a title, Pretty White Flowers)
― please delete outrageous tanuki crappyposter (wins), Friday, 3 October 2014 12:35 (nine years ago) link
His twitter is the best:
https://twitter.com/pawboy2
Charity shop finds, his reading, what he's watching on daytime 5USA, BBC2 etc. Pics of writers and their cats.
Thinking I might even get a twitter account now.
― xyzzzz__, Saturday, 14 March 2015 18:25 (nine years ago) link
I was kidding btw..
― xyzzzz__, Saturday, 14 March 2015 18:30 (nine years ago) link
yeah when I looked at twitter that was the main one I looked at
― prole, you'll be a yeoman soon (wins), Saturday, 14 March 2015 22:04 (nine years ago) link
I see his contributing to the LRB at the moment.
― Freedom, Sunday, 15 March 2015 09:55 (nine years ago) link
oh look, someone already said that.
― Freedom, Sunday, 15 March 2015 09:57 (nine years ago) link
http://www.lrb.co.uk/v39/n01/ian-penman/wham-bang-teatime
This was good although some of these pieces (taken together over time and I'd need to re-read and check) begin to read like 'well I read every biog of (x) and this one from (y) year does the job'. A lot of reaction against the shape of 'legacy' and how that is being written-up.
The section on Morley was a nice lesson on writing about someone you are fond of when they don't do a good job.
Gently rips into Reynold's thing and fair with it.
― xyzzzz__, Wednesday, 21 December 2016 17:10 (seven years ago) link
I'm sorry he didn't acknowledge Bowie-scepticism more, and this detail is simply wrong (I think he's thinking of Al Jaffee's fold-ins, which appeared on the back cover of Mad) - It’s impossible to imagine something like Bowie’s masterpiece Low (1977) coming out now, an album split down the middle like an old Mad centrepiece
― Darcy Sarto (Ward Fowler), Thursday, 22 December 2016 09:13 (seven years ago) link
beautifully written and well-thought, one of the best things I've ever read about Bowie. absolutely agree with his assessment of the middling middle years and his frank/fair take on both Reynolds and Sheffield.
― kanye twitty (m coleman), Thursday, 22 December 2016 12:59 (seven years ago) link
What a turn of phrase:
...golden youths picked up and polished then abandoned by Machiavellian gay managers. (One key difference between Mark Feld and David Jones was that the latter was maybe happier to go that extra inch.)
― Dr Drudge (Bob Six), Thursday, 22 December 2016 13:34 (seven years ago) link
So much shade thrown in this piece.
― Tim F, Friday, 23 December 2016 03:00 (seven years ago) link
^ Yes, and thank god for that. Morley/Reynolds/Sheffield get thrown so many free passes and none of these books look, on the surface, to be terribly inspiring.
― Position Position, Friday, 23 December 2016 03:31 (seven years ago) link
think he's thinking of Al Jaffee's fold-ins, which appeared on the back cover of Mad) [...] split down the middle like an old Mad centrepiece
You're both wrong, it's the IBC and Jaffee is still doing them
― sad, hombres (sic), Friday, 23 December 2016 07:45 (seven years ago) link
omg someone has to write a pedantic letter to the lrb
― forgive me fader for I have sinned (wins), Friday, 23 December 2016 07:46 (seven years ago) link
I say this as a fan both of the piece and of pedantic letters to the lrb
― forgive me fader for I have sinned (wins), Friday, 23 December 2016 07:47 (seven years ago) link
https://www.thebookseller.com/news/fitzcarraldo-editions-acquires-music-critic-penmans-first-book-20-years-954786
― xyzzzz__, Wednesday, 20 February 2019 16:00 (five years ago) link
Maybe he was thinking of “The American Soldier”?
Well, there's three (interconnected) films that fit the description and Herr R isn't one of them.
― Renaissance of the Celtic Trumpet (Tom D.), Saturday, 24 June 2023 14:33 (eleven months ago) link
Gotcha - I love OH and largely enjoyed the Penman book (and love Fassbinder too) so am excited to read, cheers for the heads up.
― bain4z, Sunday, 25 June 2023 16:15 (eleven months ago) link