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Oddly, I have been known to be "muso" in other contexts, but with bands like CF/Hellhammer/Darkthrone, not only does simplicity not bother me, it's part of what I love about the music. That said, I think it's overstarted a bit in regards to those bands. Let's not kid ourselves: it's no easier to pull off the average Celtic Frost song on drums/guitar/vocals than, say, the average Pink Floyd song.

Also, I definitely *do* understand not diving into a band's history when I listen to them -- it's how I (and most people?) started out loving music, and only after realizing I'm really into the music do I delve into the backstory, at least beyond the discography/cursory bio-data level. In fact, I have snuffed out a couple of music phases by diving in too far too soon -- these days, you almost have to fight accessing the Complete Story on any given band/genre.

yes but louis always refuses to do this. It almost always has to fit this art school aesthetic he has and he doesnt like caveman origins really

I don't care what reservations anybody has about old Celtic Frost, these should all melt away once the opening riff to "Procreation of the Wicked" starts. Morbid Tales is stone cold classic IMO, perhaps not the heights of To Mega Therion, but the material seriously crushed live when I saw CF in 2008.

knowing where it comes from is going to increase your understanding of what the music is, imo

I really like Transilvanian Hunger btw.

And <3 Mercyful Fate forever.

i like mercyful fate a lot but they are very fancy and melodic i like that part of it

do people like darkthrone better than burzum, generally? i like transilvanian hunger a lot but beyond that burzum is the only one of the early norwegian bands that i really love. i find this problematic.

problematic like diarhhea?

t'ship, perhaps this will hit a similar spot for you

i like mercyful fate a lot but they are very fancy and melodic i like that part of it

Well, yeah, I mentioned them as an example of old quasi-proto-bm, not as an example of non-technical metal.

do people like darkthrone better than burzum, generally?

Hard to say? But from what I notice, Burzum's style seems to be the one that influences modern-day atmospheric black metal the most (such as the band of this thread). Both Darkthrone and Burzum are viewed as huge influencers in the genre, and along with Emperor, imo form cornerstones of what people think of when they think of "black metal". I think Darkthrone are often used as a symbol of "true", uncompromising art -- "we make whatever music we want, so fuck off" -- while Burzum is often used as the symbol of everything that's "evil" about it (ie, "we kill people and burn down churches"). The latter is more goth-y and "emo" to me, and though I actually really like the first several Burzum records, I play them a lot less than Darkthrone.

Darkthrone is aggression and dirtiness, as opposed to depression and a gloomy kind of prettiness that I associate with Burzum. I also associate Darkthrone with a kind of metal meat-and-potato-ness, while Burzum and Emperor (though not sounding that similar) are more ornate, more concept-oriented.

knowing where it comes from is going to increase your understanding of what the music is, imo

― 1 P.3. Eternal (roxymuzak), Tuesday, March 18, 2014 5:45 PM (2 hours ago)

this is especially true of BM imo, its kind of baffling to think about doing this "approach in a vaccuum" style

that method also leads to a lot of the "all this stuff sounds the same" garbage that has cursed metal forever

I usually like approaching metal without knowing where it comes from or what it's about or what the lyrics are, like just enjoying as pure form

~~~impure~~~ form

I usually like approaching metal without knowing where it comes from or what it's about or what the lyrics are, like just enjoying as pure form

I mean whatever works for you but in the case of this genre it's leaving out stuff that's important to 1) the people who make the music and 2) the community that's supported it for years. though you can also put aside questions of "do I wanna support these nazis" if you attempt an ahistorical approach

idk I used to think the idea of just listening to the music with no reference to its context was a cool aesthetic and now I lol at the me who thought that

context def works for albums like Possessed's Seven Churches, the aforementioned CF albums, etc....

xp

it's more what dominique said, (im)pure form blank slate at first, delve into background once I'm into it

I think not appreciating the context is why I had such a hard time appreciating the first wave of Black Metal at first, back in my early 20s

knowing where it comes from is going to increase your understanding of what the music is, imo
― 1 P.3. Eternal (roxymuzak), Tuesday, March 18, 2014 5:45 PM (2 hours ago)

this is especially true of BM imo, its kind of baffling to think about doing this "approach in a vaccuum" style

― Corpsepaint Counterpaint (jjjusten), Tuesday, March 18, 2014 3:39 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

i literally listen to black metal in one of those soundproof isolation chambers where you float in water

Ha that sounds dope IMO

But when you emerge instead of transforming into an ape man like on Altered States you come out looking like a wood goblin or something

That's what happened to Mortiis

Also the crucifix hallucination scene is threaded UPSIDE DOWN.

listened to Celtic Frost off the back of this thread. Fair enough not feeling it, but "not tight"/ "can't play" doesn't seem to be the case at all, Morbid Tales sounds very proficient to my ears. I admit to not being a trained musician though.

Should I go see them live y/n

Yes. I don't like the record, but -unfortunate Hitler youth haircut and penchant for straight arm salutes aside - they're quite a good live band. High volume helps them immensely.

looks like a pretty wild show, i'd say go for it
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lol

wat

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I went and saw them and it was pretty cool but not loud enough

Took a vid on my iPhone and uploaded it to Youtube hope you like it

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=re7oByTr4U4

۩, was it you who posted that blog that took album covers and strategically placed inverted crosses on them with evil eyes or something? I can't find that blog anymore

googly eyes? yeah i posted the link. Forget what the blog was called though

googled it
http://metalalbumswithgooglyeyes.tumblr.com/

http://bargainbinblasphemy.tumblr.com/

^that last one is amazing

that last one i already knew of and shared it on twitter already.

i wanted to share the one ۩ posted. cheers

http://i.imgur.com/lyYlRQB.jpg

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print shop pro

I think I'm going to give up on trying to get into this album.

that font tho

I'm glad this thread got bumped cuz it reminds me I still need to check out Woe - Withdrawal

I've tried off and on with Sunbather, but it's never quite clicked. It has a certain simplicity or purity of effect that may have helped it crossover, I guess, but I just kind of lose interest. The vocalist doesn't do much for me - his shrieking is too monochromatic. There's no sense he's reacting to anything in the music going on around him. Their sound is I guess kind of unique, but the songs seem fairly interchangeable.

^ "his shrieking is too monochromatic. There's no sense he's reacting to anything in the music going on around him" and they're pretty generic so in many ways they're the post-BM Cult of Luna.

There are a lot of bands, if not exactly reinventing this particular sub-sub-genre called blackgaze or whatever horrible title you want to call it, but doing it a whole lot better but DH is the one many sites/people seemed to latch onto for some reason and it's just baffling to me because they are just poor.

I might have said something similar upthread but idc

There are a lot of bands, if not exactly reinventing this particular sub-sub-genre called blackgaze or whatever horrible title you want to call it, but doing it a whole lot better

Which ones iyo?

Alcest and WITTR are/were the best at it to me though they've both gone in different directions now. Lantlos and An Autumn for Crippled Children are very good, and Krallice have a lot of the ole 'gaze to them though they are rather more intense and less poppy than most in this particular field. There are probably more but I'm about to collapse into bed so if no one else suggests anything I might list off some more tomorrow...

^strong posting. Negura Bunget also have some stellar blackgaze moments - for instance,

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v-SCyXecLZg

…which I think might be the single greatest blackgaze song ever written

Obviously I'm not counting Darkspace, otherwise they'd crush the opposition entirely - they're less 'gaze', more 'roiling madness'