The guy mentioned upthread with the Facebook profile is an audio engineer at a studio down the road from the Art Institute of Ft. Lauderdale, where FLA went to school for a bit. Wikipedia now says he produced the whole album, but no cite. Is it time for the important two-year anniversary retrospective?
― cr4bdbgs, Tuesday, 18 March 2014 02:07 (ten years ago) link
Interesting how you can be considered an 'outsider artist' when you are a reality show star on MTV. It certainly doesn't drain that term of all meaning.
― Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Tuesday, 18 March 2014 02:47 (ten years ago) link
bored tonight and catching up on ilm threads, this is incredibly sad:
But she insists time apart from daughter Sophia, 4, isn't hurting the little girl. "It's healthy that we have a break," claims Farrah, 22 (whose dad lives near her and Sophia in Texas). "She has her own life and is doing her own thing, and I'm doing mine.
as the father of a 4-year-old girl, i'd bet Sophia is not all that happy to have a "healthy" break from her mom to focus on "her own life and ... her own thing"
for sure, 4-year-olds are starting to develop their own lives and their own things, but in general, a 4-year-old girl's life IS her mom/parents. Farrah talks about her like she's 17.
heartbreaking.
― alpine static, Tuesday, 18 March 2014 07:32 (ten years ago) link
4-yr-olds are basically starting school all day?
― lex pretend, Tuesday, 18 March 2014 08:26 (ten years ago) link
― Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Tuesday, March 18, 2014 2:47 AM (5 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
what a disaster for outsider artistry
― in my day this was all feels (DJ Mencap), Tuesday, 18 March 2014 08:33 (ten years ago) link
It's high time she teamed up with Chaka Khan for an inflammatorily titled duo project
― Slight damage to cover on top corner (chewed by a kitten) (Craigo Boingo), Tuesday, 18 March 2014 08:39 (ten years ago) link
this is a tune, anyway, more conventional than one would think but i'm singing the chorus before it's halfway over
― lex pretend, Tuesday, 18 March 2014 08:40 (ten years ago) link
omg her dancing in the avatar of her own twitter account
― reddening, Tuesday, 18 March 2014 08:45 (ten years ago) link
but isn't reality tv just outsider acting
― based grandpa (noz), Tuesday, 18 March 2014 14:49 (ten years ago) link
If it's on TV it is not outsider, it is monoculture.
― Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Tuesday, 18 March 2014 14:50 (ten years ago) link
It's kind of like when you had critics saying the blurry action scenes in Transformers 3 was a brilliant work of abstract art.
― Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Tuesday, 18 March 2014 14:51 (ten years ago) link
okay but her music is not on tv so
― based grandpa (noz), Tuesday, 18 March 2014 15:26 (ten years ago) link
'outsider' means unschooled if not mentally ill
― goole, Tuesday, 18 March 2014 15:29 (ten years ago) link
like, gw bush is an outsider painter
and he was president!!
point is it's a pretty dumm and fraught term
― goole, Tuesday, 18 March 2014 15:30 (ten years ago) link
"outsider" is also often used with a shade of "fails to achieve what it sets out to achieve but accidentally achieves something else great"
it's kind of a condescending term in that way, but honestly it's hard to imagine listening to farrah abraham in a way not slightly tainted by condescension.
― james franco tur(oll)ing test (Hurting 2), Tuesday, 18 March 2014 15:32 (ten years ago) link
adam bruneau = the board's Allan Bloom
― james franco tur(oll)ing test (Hurting 2), Tuesday, 18 March 2014 15:33 (ten years ago) link
"but honestly it's hard to imagine listening to farrah abraham in a way not slightly tainted by condescension."
what if you find value in the sounds she makes and the emotions she conveys
― based grandpa (noz), Tuesday, 18 March 2014 15:40 (ten years ago) link
condescension is underrated
― goole, Tuesday, 18 March 2014 15:42 (ten years ago) link
Yeah i thought 'outsider art' meant 'Someone who is living outside of society'. Shut-ins, hermits, etc.
Applying it to W or Farrah seems to invoke a different meaning, more to do with kitsch or ironic appropriation (and including condescension).
― Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Tuesday, 18 March 2014 15:44 (ten years ago) link
Her music is pretty interesting tho, I have to admit. Like if a more boring version of Ed Wood had been given Michael Bay's budgets.
― Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Tuesday, 18 March 2014 15:45 (ten years ago) link
I'm like 98% sure I've already had this convo w/ you but the idea that authentic outsider artists (lol) aren't subject to kitsch or ironic appropriation or condescension is just baffling to me
― in my day this was all feels (DJ Mencap), Tuesday, 18 March 2014 15:49 (ten years ago) link
Ok punching holes in whatever dumb arguments are making is fine, and I admit I'm trolling a little. Still, how 'outsider' can you be when your first single is premiered on http://www.intouchweekly.com?
― Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Tuesday, 18 March 2014 17:33 (ten years ago) link
You seem to have a weirdly rigid idea of what constitutes "outside" society adam
Surely it's possible to feel like an outsider or express outsiderdom even while ostensibly being part of mainstream society? Especially if you're someone who's experienced the kind of life trauma and weirdness FA has?
― lex pretend, Tuesday, 18 March 2014 18:45 (ten years ago) link
'outsider' is a slippery concept, obviously superstars & heads of state &c. often feel separated & isolated, kanye feels persecuted or w/e, but expressing that is different from being removed from mainstream aesthetic discourse
― ogmor, Tuesday, 18 March 2014 19:47 (ten years ago) link
Like if a more boring version of Ed Wood had been given Michael Bay's budgets.
if she's going to be like any version of Ed Wood then surely she meets some reasonable definition of 'outsider'? I'm sure anyone who wanted to be a pop star and had a reasonable budget or backing could get some jobbing producer (e.g. anyone above ARK Music Factory standards) and make something that did a passable if probably not very interesting job of being pop music. That FA seems to have deviated from that easy path somewhat is notable at least.
― Merdeyeux, Tuesday, 18 March 2014 20:02 (ten years ago) link
But Ed Wood didn't have his own syndicated show and flock of gossip magazines eating up everything he said did he?
― Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Tuesday, 18 March 2014 20:06 (ten years ago) link
But yeah y'all have some good points to make and yeah my idea of 'outsider artist' does seem to clash w the regularly accepted parameters. Just seems like someone doing something really pedestrian and mainstream but utterly failing, rather than bringing anything unique to the table other than a complete lack of talent. But it doesn't really matter that much to me so I'll shut up about it.
― Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Tuesday, 18 March 2014 20:13 (ten years ago) link
I doubt it's THAT easy -- I imagine most jobbing producers would prefer not to work with reality stars, hence most reality stars getting fairly fifth-string producers
― katherine, Tuesday, 18 March 2014 20:16 (ten years ago) link
(I kind of like to think of "outsider artist" in terms of "will this shit still exist in 30 years or is it doomed to be ephemeral" but that's also a re-interpretation)
― katherine, Tuesday, 18 March 2014 20:17 (ten years ago) link
there's plenty of ultra-mainstream crap that is forgotten immediately tho
― ogmor, Tuesday, 18 March 2014 20:21 (ten years ago) link
I like imagining that "the dude who runs the audio recording facility closest to Art Institute of Ft. Lauderdale" is the Michael Bay of pop music! Would like to know if this guy actually produced the whole album, though.
― cr4bdbgs, Tuesday, 18 March 2014 20:29 (ten years ago) link
there's definitely something in the term about slippage between intent and effect. i think what we mean an artist who has some aesthetic power but it's not what was intended. or the intent is really opaque.
one of my favorite local art exhibits of the past few years was a bunch of work done as part of art therapy for people with really profound mental illness or disability. there's almost no way to talk about it w/o terms that slide into condescension, i guess. but just on a formal level these artists happened upon (see? "happened upon") ways of working or repeating things that were really affecting. and maybe they wouldn't have been so powerful had i not known the story; there's no way of knowing.
― goole, Tuesday, 18 March 2014 20:31 (ten years ago) link
W/ Farrah Abraham "outsider" is an easy way to avoid using the phrase "experimental artist," which she (also?) is. It might hedge against agency/intentionality (probably not wrongly, but who knows?). It's a bit of a game of not quite this ("experimental musician") but definitely not that ("pop star"). I really don't understand how anyone could listen to "MTDE" and think, "oh man, listen to all these failed pop songs!"
I figure that "My Teenage Dream Ended" sounds very much like what she was intending it to sound like. I think she was messing around and through ambiguous means ended up with something great, and that any accidental greatness isn't any more or less accidental than anyone else's greatness.
― cr4bdbgs, Tuesday, 18 March 2014 20:44 (ten years ago) link
CelebURty -CelebURty --CelebURty
is there some deep meaning behind her spelling it this way in the video description's lyrics? anyway i am really enjoying this
― dyl, Tuesday, 18 March 2014 23:04 (ten years ago) link
i figured it was just "U R a celebrity"?
― The Greta Gerwig In The Sky (some dude), Tuesday, 18 March 2014 23:49 (ten years ago) link
I am singing this new song constantly.
― boxedjoy, Wednesday, 26 March 2014 20:55 (ten years ago) link
xp oh of course! farrah is always operating a level ahead of me when it comes to wordplay and such (only just realized that fla, in addition to obv being her initials, refers to "the sunshine state" itself)
i've also been playing this song more than i thought i would initially
― dyl, Thursday, 27 March 2014 00:54 (ten years ago) link
rubbing shoulders with fatman scoop in the latest series of celebrity big brotherpraying for a collab
― nxd, Friday, 28 August 2015 08:47 (eight years ago) link
I particularly loved when it was her shot to fire the canon and she jumped up singing "I like balls, I like balls"
― boxedjoy, Friday, 28 August 2015 13:50 (eight years ago) link
Off-topic but I am fully on-board with a Celebrity Big Brother starring Farrah, Scoop, Tile Tequila, Janice Dicking on and Jenny Jameson
― boxedjoy, Friday, 28 August 2015 13:51 (eight years ago) link
*Dickinson, what an unfortunate autocorrect
― boxedjoy, Friday, 28 August 2015 13:52 (eight years ago) link
man this album is really fucking something
― Pull your head on out your hippy haze (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 8 September 2016 13:34 (seven years ago) link
yeah
― goole, Thursday, 8 September 2016 15:13 (seven years ago) link
I want her next album to be a straight cover ofhttp://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/smurfs/images/d/dc/Father_Abraham_In_Smurfland.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20110830210200
― TARANTINO! (dog latin), Thursday, 8 September 2016 15:17 (seven years ago) link
i don't want to tie eeeeeverything to trump but someone needs to theorize the creative power of stupidity
― goole, Thursday, 8 September 2016 15:20 (seven years ago) link
i can only put so much in a post
― Pull your head on out your hippy haze (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 8 September 2016 15:23 (seven years ago) link
i still have a burned copy of this in my car
― circa1916, Thursday, 8 September 2016 15:23 (seven years ago) link
"After Prom" the parts where they have overdubs of her frantically whispering "don't tell don't tell don't tell don't tell don't tell don't let it get out" is crazy
― Pull your head on out your hippy haze (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 8 September 2016 15:54 (seven years ago) link
With Out This Ring... still a jam
― skip, Sunday, 25 June 2017 19:07 (six years ago) link