OK, is this the worst piece of music writing ever?

from the blog

seriously though i think certain branches of the faux naif blog voice are intended as an antidote to the kind of writing you see so much of on the internet, where everyone is caustic and defensive and would rather lash out at people than admit weak spots in their arguments.

what a disaster for Albert Ayler

"Well, yeah"

The ayler piece at one point says "There is a lot of writing on the sleeve and back cover". I am all for affected styles, but lets not kid ourselves, that is an affectation.

seriously though i think certain branches of the faux naif blog voice are intended as an antidote to the kind of writing you see so much of on the internet, where everyone is caustic and defensive and would rather lash out at people than admit weak spots in their arguments.

― Treeship, Monday, March 17, 2014 1:01 PM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

there is also the passive aggressive faux naive bloggy voice which is my favorite, and also the VERY SHOUTY one with extravagant catachresis and that's not bad either.

lol christ xp

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xp cloves, the latter one isn't faux naif though. the shouty folks write like idiots but they never for a second approach their topics with humility or openness or even feign doing this.

See, the thing is...

If I started a vaguely humorous blog about music, I might get a bunch of youse to have a butchers at it every so often.

Beyond that, who cares?

But then again, if I actually managed to get a 'readership', I daresay a bunch of people might decide to criticise what I say, but as I have no actual qualifications to prove or disprove my standpoint, most would not care either way.

If I got described as 'faux-naif', I think I'd pack it in.

But that's unlikely to happen, is it? Being described as faux-naif, I mean.

Treeship, go post on the fucking Saddle Creek board or something

cool

i don't get the term "faux-naif". sometimes it seems like people use this term to describe people who are just being upfront about the stuff they don't know, and in my view the best nonfiction writing does that.

― Treeship, Monday, March 17, 2014 12:46 PM (37 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

get on our level already, you've been here long enough, i'm not buying this

even the most cloying faux-naive voice is a million times more tolerable than certain message-board standbys like oh I don't know

get on our level

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treeship do you even lift?

Jeez guys the term is "falsely naive"

Is there a thread categorizing the types of forum posts

guys the term is credulity-frontin'

Jeez guys the term is "falsely naive"

the hardman crew reserve the right to get their terms wrong in order to demonstrate their hardman bona fides

faux sure

lol

idk maybe i'd be less salty about this if there were like more women who knew their shit writing about music and having it shared all over the place. MAYBE! </naïf>

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4wrL9z3Kvww

sorry, i'm so salty, Treeship

tough love

*hugs*

you catch more flies with honey, WGW

ime the type of ppl sharing this and going nuts over it are mostly dudes who are really proud when their hobbies are seen as weird or inscrutable

whatever, music is weird. *giggles*

ime, it's you guys

This is not humming music, but then it does start sounding like a familiar patriotic song that I can’t put my finger on, but still really messy and almost like a band doing sound check. It also occasionally sounds like the trumpet that’s played before a hunt or a horse race.

'sounding like a familiar patriotic song that I can't put my finger on' is a good way to describe some of ayler's compositions, and the idea of the trumpet functioning like a kind of call to arms - a summoning - is gd, too, it just kind of gets buried under a lot of more ho-hum stuff.

Can we all just take a minute to salute those writers who strike the old "disarming honesty" pose have the courage to stand up and say "know what? I don't know everything." Sure, they risk the ridicule of snarky internet bullies, but in admitting their shortcomings aren't these authors more human, more humble, more - goshdarn it, I'll say it - more noble?

are you being serious?

everything

in the era of Google, anyone writing for a paycheck — no matter how small — that plays what Maura calls "unfrozen caveman rock critic" deserves the ridicule they get

ILX, where "admitting your blind spots" is a controversial stance.

now i may just be a simple country hyper chicken but

the courage to take the time to learn things before you write them

also idk this is almost too immaterial to really say but the popularity of this tumblr is going to determine the tone and quality of writing elsewhere

My Husband's Stupid Record Collection Happened To Me

Lol whiney what the hell level are you even on

since time immemorial whiney has been on that other level

It's not like I was being subtle about it

Jeez guys the term is "falsely naive"

― continually topping myself (flamboyant goon tie included), Monday, March 17, 2014 12:51 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

can't we just keep pretending it means "honestly naive" or whatever the hell Treeship is thinking it does

tbrr tho she's not being "falsely naive"/faux-naif but "deliberately ignorant", the tone of the piece is written about 'look how ignorant I am about this music'; a writer being proud of one's ignorance is not something that even WGW is above

If you pretend you have no knowledge or context, you can't be held to account when you screw up though, right? (Yes, you can.) It's one of the worst aspects of that style.

Could we admit that there's a difference between "admitting one's blind spots" and "deliberate ignorance"?

I don't think anyone is denying that

I feel where Maura is coming from on this, but at the same time, having a big dumb record collection is a thing that skews so heavily male and is treated by record-collecting men as some kind of mysterious male talisman, and I feel like there's an aspect of this of demystification that I like. The sort of stereotypical "female" perspective whether you want to call it naive or faux-naive seems like a good tool for that job. I get that any amateur could just review records in an uninformed and amateurish way, but the fact that she is tackling "The Collection" seems like part of the point.

I don't think it's a great look but I think it emerged as a reaction to the much more prevalent tendency to act like everything can be reduced to its context. That's the context for the faux naif bloggy voice imo. It's about wanting to step outside the critical noise machine and make empirical observations as if for the first time.

Think it's more about feeling like there's something intellectually dishonest about pretending to have a depth of knowledge about things you googled for half an hour.

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