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lol facebook hyperlink

It's to my own page. I am always desperate for friends. Why don't you want me to have any friends? Sadist fucker.

Hate this. Sounds like gybe

black metal seems to be about cathartically purging ugly feelings rather than aestheticizing them in a way that makes them seem not ugly

Love this, and gets especially fun once you've purged a bit, you then start blasting old Celtic Frost records out of pure joy

I try with older Celtic Frost but maaaan they could not play for shit

I've never really been able to get into either them or Venom. Maybe that's the reason?

Oh my god. You're so lucky this is the Deafheaven thread else this heresy would not go unpunished.

ive noticed a lot of muso type dudes/chicks cant get into celtic frost or hellhammer! its hard for them to embrace that type of crudeness, the basicness (or even sloppiness) of the actual playing. to me that kind of stuff puts it on a higher level of kultitude

sund4r I'm surprised you cant dig celtic frost at least what with them actually having avant garde influences and the like

What would I listen to for the avant-garde elements? To Mega Therion?

yeah, but you should be listening to it anyway as one of the best albums ever!

Tho I guess Into The Pandemonium is seen as a weirder album

so listen to those 2!

I don't mind the "Mexican Radio" cover.

hah that's the weakest thing on it. When it made the all time metal tracks top 100 I remember a few people hated it.

Still putting me to sleep. Maybe I'll try again some time: I do like a lot of their ideas.

What exactly is the problem with their musicianship? I don't hear (post-Hellhammer anyway) any flubbed notes, loss of time or untuned guitars. Is it just that you guys don't like simplicity?

damn musos!

ive noticed a lot of muso type dudes/chicks cant get into celtic frost or hellhammer! its hard for them to embrace that type of crudeness, the basicness (or even sloppiness) of the actual playing. to me that kind of stuff puts it on a higher level of kultitude

― 1 P.3. Eternal (roxymuzak), Saturday, 15 March 2014 15:37 (5 hours ago) Permalink

OTM, same type of people seem to hate Darkthrone's more lo-fi albums for similar reasons

No, I agree that the playing didn't sound sloppy or imprecise. (I never made that criticism btw.)

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I know a lot of people who love the last 4 or 5 Enslaved albums but hate the stuff before it. A lot definitely do not like lo-fi production OR simple stuff. Im fed up of hearing so many people say over the years "i dont want to hear stuff a 12 year old could play"

Rocky knows who I am talking about if he sees this thread

Im fed up of hearing so many people say over the years "i dont want to hear stuff a 12 year old could play"

Because you think the compositions are (deceptively) more sophisticated than that or because you don't think that's a valid criterion?

I mean, when ums said of well-known professional musicians that they "can't play", I didn't think he literally meant that they lacked the basic technical ability to clap a beat or tune their instruments. That usually means that they're not playing anything very interesting or challenging, right?

If that's the case it's sort of like criticizing the early Beatles albums because they're not Yes.

the latter(i wasnt talking about M@tt btw)

i think the compositions are more sophisticated than that AND i dont think its a valid criterion

It's a weird criticism tbh, especially because there are some damn good 12-year-olds out there. My Advanced Harmony/Analysis student from last year would probably beat Brian Eno in a technical contest.

for me, single criterion = "is this interesting" - I don't care if it's technically adept - I'm a Fall fan for instance - I am however put off by an awful lot of early BM as I haven't worked out why it's distinctive or interesting - perhaps I need to hear it more

Maybe we should have an early black metal listening club. And I when I say club I mean a heavy piece of oak studded with nails.

imago, do you listen to other forms of metal from the era preceding or concurrent with early BM? It's at the very least stylistically remarkable if you realize that there wasn't much like it at the time (Venom and Motorhead and some of the more extreme thrash bands were as close as you could get).

unfortunately 'at the time' doesn't wash with a neophyte like me - while certain structures external to the audio itself hold some weight, chronology is pretty much the first thing I deconstruct. pitting a lot of this early BM against, say, deathspell omega is like putting an angry rat in a cage with an interdimensional three-headed wolf

fully aware that this heresy will get me FPs but then what is BM if not a celebration of heresy

Well, I would substitute "ignore" for "deconstruct." But I love Venom and Deathspell Omega. It's all a big, black, beautiful rainbow of different flavors.

ive noticed a lot of muso type dudes/chicks cant get into celtic frost or hellhammer! its hard for them to embrace that type of crudeness, the basicness (or even sloppiness) of the actual playing. to me that kind of stuff puts it on a higher level of kultitude

― 1 P.3. Eternal (roxymuzak), Saturday, 15 March 2014 15:37 (5 hours ago) Permalink

OTM, same type of people seem to hate Darkthrone's more lo-fi albums for similar reasons

― Quinoa Phoenix (latebloomer), Saturday, March 15, 2014 4:20 PM (3 days ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

1) I'm not demanding anyone be Discipline era King Crimson in terms of chops, I like plenty of sloppy bands...I dunno the early CF stuff feels kind of sloppy in a not-distinctive way that was later improved on later records. Tom G Warrior has said the same thing wrt the sloppiness and crappy playing in an interview I read

2) Darkthrone's Transylvanian Hunger is literally the only black metal album that has ever done much for me...so I don't know what that means

early CF just sounds like a band that isn't quite dialed in w/what they are trying to do IMO

but i realize with all this stuff every flaw that i could possibly perceive just increases its kvltness and not being trv myself, my criticisms only confirm its value

Maybe we should have an early black metal listening club. And I when I say club I mean a heavy piece of oak studded with nails.

i chuckled!

at least i did once i'd run away to a safe distance

chronology is pretty much the first thing I deconstruct

man I just do not any more understand the appeal of listening to music without reference to its historical context - it's like you're choosing to reduce the music to just its sound when it has many more, to borrow your own term, dimensions, or like no longer reading because now we have TV

especially in a genre like metal where history is so much of the fun

ask the masseur about his history. know the context for each rub.

Oddly, I have been known to be "muso" in other contexts, but with bands like CF/Hellhammer/Darkthrone, not only does simplicity not bother me, it's part of what I love about the music. That said, I think it's overstarted a bit in regards to those bands. Let's not kid ourselves: it's no easier to pull off the average Celtic Frost song on drums/guitar/vocals than, say, the average Pink Floyd song.

Also, I definitely *do* understand not diving into a band's history when I listen to them -- it's how I (and most people?) started out loving music, and only after realizing I'm really into the music do I delve into the backstory, at least beyond the discography/cursory bio-data level. In fact, I have snuffed out a couple of music phases by diving in too far too soon -- these days, you almost have to fight accessing the Complete Story on any given band/genre.

yes but louis always refuses to do this. It almost always has to fit this art school aesthetic he has and he doesnt like caveman origins really

I don't care what reservations anybody has about old Celtic Frost, these should all melt away once the opening riff to "Procreation of the Wicked" starts. Morbid Tales is stone cold classic IMO, perhaps not the heights of To Mega Therion, but the material seriously crushed live when I saw CF in 2008.

knowing where it comes from is going to increase your understanding of what the music is, imo

I really like Transilvanian Hunger btw.

And <3 Mercyful Fate forever.

i like mercyful fate a lot but they are very fancy and melodic i like that part of it

do people like darkthrone better than burzum, generally? i like transilvanian hunger a lot but beyond that burzum is the only one of the early norwegian bands that i really love. i find this problematic.

problematic like diarhhea?

t'ship, perhaps this will hit a similar spot for you