Should have brought Werner Herzog and a chicken on for the encore.
― Alba, Wednesday, 12 March 2014 14:53 (ten years ago) link
That's actually the one thing about it that doesn't feel dumb to me. There's no way of knowing what anybody's last hour was actually like, of course, but I think of The Idiot on the turntable as signifying "let me hear some music I love one last time" or possibly "maybe playing an album I like will help; it used to help."
― (or if you must, "data") (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Wednesday, 12 March 2014 15:19 (ten years ago) link
Bernard Sumner, Phil Cunningham and Tom Chapman of New Order
who?
― panettone for the painfully alone (mayor jingleberries), Thursday, 13 March 2014 17:30 (ten years ago) link
Phil has been in New Order for 10yrs longer than Joy Division was active.
― brotherlovesdub, Thursday, 13 March 2014 17:46 (ten years ago) link
Aero, that was a really insightful and humanizing comment. It's easy to be removed from everything Ian was going through, poor bastard.
― Gerald McBoing-Boing, Thursday, 13 March 2014 17:48 (ten years ago) link
otm.
― mark e, Thursday, 13 March 2014 17:51 (ten years ago) link
holy shit that's a terrifying thought
― bizarro gazzara, Thursday, 13 March 2014 17:59 (ten years ago) link
subtract the years they were split though
― Charles, hatless (sic), Thursday, 13 March 2014 22:47 (ten years ago) link
@peter_hook1Very sad to hear the news today about Annik Honore - we'll be playing Atmosphere tonight for her. Hope she's sat up there with Ian. RIP.
― painfully alive in a drugged and dying culture (DavidM), Friday, 4 July 2014 22:51 (nine years ago) link
She was so much more than Ian's other woman, though - she played a big role bringing attention to some great European bands.
― Gerald McBoing-Boing, Friday, 4 July 2014 23:44 (nine years ago) link
Yeah we talk about her on the Disques du Crepuscule thread
― licorice oratorio (baaderonixx), Saturday, 5 July 2014 08:27 (nine years ago) link
Good old Hooky, still claiming the JD legacy for himself.
― goth colouring book (anagram), Saturday, 5 July 2014 11:25 (nine years ago) link
So, 34 years ago I was listening to Closer the week after it was released. And it meant EVERYTHING.
And now...it almost means more.
Ian is dead. Annik is dead. But the songs.. oh God, those songs. As much as I loved the band at the time, I never realised how much those words and those melodies coud mean, even 34 years later.
I really am too old for this to matter, but it does. "Here are the young men, a weight's on their shoulders.." and now they aren't young but the weight is still there.
We have carried the weight because of this music; these words. They really are that important and that magical. They aren't a band; they are a mystique that manages to transcend everything, even their future (and their future was magnificent).
So thanks Bernard, Peter, Stephen, Ian and Martin ( and Debbie and Annik because you, too, were part of this mythology). Thanks for every note, every idea, every tear, every laugh. You have helped to get me here, still alive and more rounded because of the music you created.
― Guilty_Boksen, Friday, 25 July 2014 22:27 (nine years ago) link
I feel ya, man. When you live with albums, songs and people your whole life (practically), through the highest highs and lowest lows, the music, the myths and the people behind it mean more and more. Don't forget Tony Wilson, Peter Saville and Rob Gretton. All essential to the story of Joy Division.
― brotherlovesdub, Friday, 25 July 2014 23:17 (nine years ago) link
Dunno if this has been mentioned on the rolling BBC4 thread, but tonight there is a documentary this evening on JD.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b0543ytw
Looking forward to seeing Paul Morley's big squashy face.
― MaresNest, Friday, 27 February 2015 18:50 (nine years ago) link
*tonight/this evening* jeez, forgive my aprés work brain
― MaresNest, Friday, 27 February 2015 18:51 (nine years ago) link
Les Brains Douche </supernerdyjoydivbootlegjoke>
― ( X '____' )/ (zappi), Friday, 27 February 2015 19:04 (nine years ago) link
That's the movie that was out a few years ago.
― dan selzer, Friday, 27 February 2015 19:04 (nine years ago) link
xpost
great documentary, chiefly for the archive footage of the band and around Manchester at the time, but I got really irate at that bloke who described Ian as 'bipolar'.
― Dr X O'Skeleton, Saturday, 28 February 2015 20:08 (nine years ago) link
Watched a few bits, there have been a few JD docs: so curious how Deborah Curtis is a ghost in these...hated the conclusions of a regenerated Manchester whose nice plush housing is possibly unaffordable to most of the people that work there.
― xyzzzz__, Saturday, 28 February 2015 22:10 (nine years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3M4Itfodkac
― _Rudipherous_, Tuesday, 9 January 2018 07:16 (six years ago) link
I put my TRUST in you.
― _Rudipherous_, Tuesday, 9 January 2018 07:17 (six years ago) link
Caring about betrayal is old-fashioned though because people are generally complete fucking shit in 2018.
Sometimes people are upset about things and turn to music an alcohol and the internet, and that's okay. I'm not the kind of pussy who grew up with Safe Spaces. I'm a different kind of pussy.
― _Rudipherous_, Tuesday, 9 January 2018 07:20 (six years ago) link
POLL Will Tear Us Apart – ILM Artist Poll #86 - JOY DIVISION – New Order solo or other groups Poll (aka the Electronic poll) – a NEW ORDER (#37) supplement poll --- Results Thread
― the future is now, Thursday, 11 January 2018 06:18 (six years ago) link
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/kn3fY-2hrJC81YZ4JxBJXTu86y7C1Ts4GjUYmD_g40IENjgk4Rudbdq8mCb664I841-OFKp7lo50Mfj5XTatcXRD111NVF4S3UsIKrA_fdeR9b35v07qaNxZiuDMgCY4RLg0eEToiNPExUmnpdxrkj7u1_IU4USGol_Lpk42ZFWDKO3wd9xYZodmetRzjIahbGM3OQOu3G9EksBMuZY45cjToXx8Z5zUgXleXGSOfwuhjck1ChEpaGTdFQzjCJZC8OKS7bjgzDhzJelM5xJd5sytn0Wl6Zp42QN719zWYjcBfe7Hx7A6Gat7FhHwjC4Uxrsq4LwMrW1XyI-Pb5nE9bC08k5hPghpX_yYp82AAhhBIXgvQ_VAAnqNq3oROpfHn42LlqiDK5h5eCwl-1juZXZ5HyfPS_PS0avxm2JoH4kEPoGjmgODegCIdcRb921GyAQCzZgcY845H2YJwGGegaFp_yOvR7JZ7sXH7XBoPI7JE7cFVZQ07KqjmHVypk0MLTn4m5Tbl_tEjqil6c9_PGARR7IrUdcbtGyQ7KZN0jM4oZHjxZ3EtX8EmixpchqNblNmJfOn_W4Dk1TrQa5hzuifp2C6IEvZa_JCnvnNuJxRF5XSkcrcTTgimto4ODdoYnttlTHbXC32OKZvXzJPjXxieb9iBlMIdBg=w817-h417-no
18. A Means To An End 197 Points 6 Votes
<Such a great poll>
― the future is now, Thursday, 11 January 2018 06:23 (six years ago) link
Last ILM artist poll...
(Until the next one opens)
― the future is now, Thursday, 11 January 2018 06:28 (six years ago) link
https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/4143t5G5yGL._SY344_BO1,204,203,200_.jpg
― How do I feel a complaint? (_Rudipherous_), Saturday, 13 January 2018 17:51 (six years ago) link
Gave Unknown Pleasures a run for the first time in about five years last night, and I feel like it's kind of way better and infinitely more resonating than when I first heard it in my early twenties.
Just fantastic music.
― he doesn't need to be racist about it though. (Austin), Saturday, 13 January 2018 19:51 (six years ago) link
The way they released their music is a source of constant wonder to me. I knew Love Will Tear Us Apart and Atmosphere were non-album tracks but I never realized until recently that Dead Souls was also a non-album track, despite having listened to it dozens of times.
― the word dog doesn't bark (anagram), Saturday, 13 January 2018 21:25 (six years ago) link
Yeah that was always curious to me. Transmission another one. Most of their famous songs aren’t on the proper albums.
― circa1916, Saturday, 13 January 2018 21:30 (six years ago) link
Factory used to do that because it was considered a rip off to put already released songs on albums. That was pretty common with indie labels in the UK at least til the mid-80s. Sarah records were particularly militant about it
― Colonel Poo, Saturday, 13 January 2018 21:42 (six years ago) link
Kind of a rip off for the consumer though? Having to buy multiple singles instead of throwing down on a full LP that includes two singles or whatever + more songs. IDK, didn’t grow up in the singles era.
― circa1916, Saturday, 13 January 2018 21:49 (six years ago) link
The thinking was that fans would buy everything anyway, so it was actually giving them better value for money by putting out songs as singles that didn't later reappear on the related album.
― the word dog doesn't bark (anagram), Saturday, 13 January 2018 21:53 (six years ago) link
Right. Yeah, I guess it depends on avid fan v. casual.
― circa1916, Saturday, 13 January 2018 21:57 (six years ago) link
The casual fan might well just buy the odd single and not the album so they'd be happy with the arrangement. Meanwhile, yeah, the serious fans would buy everything so it was a good deal for them to have no overlap of tracks. But of course it wasn't quite that neat and I'm sure plenty of people did prefer having singles on albums. You sometimes had them added as bonus tracks on the cassette, where there was more room.
― Alba, Saturday, 13 January 2018 21:59 (six years ago) link
And if you could wait then singles would often be collected on something like Hatful of Hollow, which was sold for budget price at first I think.
― Alba, Saturday, 13 January 2018 22:01 (six years ago) link
Yeah, was gonna say, all evens out in the end with the singles comps.
― circa1916, Saturday, 13 January 2018 22:05 (six years ago) link
I used to think of them as a singles band because like a lot of americans of my age, my introduction to Joy Division was Substance, which was released with some fanfair and easier to find than the actual albums.
― dan selzer, Saturday, 13 January 2018 23:34 (six years ago) link
tbh I still only own Substance.
oh wait I do have Still.
― Colonel Poo, Saturday, 13 January 2018 23:50 (six years ago) link
substance I think was released by a major label. my first introduction to joy division when I was like, 14 or 15, courtesy of a review in rolling stone of all fucking places
― akm, Sunday, 14 January 2018 00:56 (six years ago) link
Qwest, which was Quincy Jones imprint on Warner Brothers. He signed New Order and got Joy Division.
― dan selzer, Sunday, 14 January 2018 01:04 (six years ago) link
The whole thing with standalone singles that didn't appear on the albums was a bit of a hangover from the '60s where it was mostly standard practice, at least in the UK. Plenty of bands in the '70s did this too, and it wasn't just indie labels doing it.
― Full of bile and Blue Nile denial (Turrican), Sunday, 14 January 2018 01:07 (six years ago) link
My introduction to JD was through The Crow graphic novel (lol) my older brother had when we were kids. Full on song lyrics printed between chapters or something. Book is way corny but it hit me hard at 12ish. Didn’t actually get to hear them until a few years later. Took me a while to make sense of it. Sprouting young industrial child in the late 90s. NIN and like WaxTrax stuff was the benchmark and JD wasn’t at all what I expected. Was a small world for me at the time.
― circa1916, Sunday, 14 January 2018 01:50 (six years ago) link
heh I don't like much else on it but I actually bought The Crow soundtrack specifically for the Dead Souls cover. (I already had the JAMC song).
― Colonel Poo, Sunday, 14 January 2018 01:52 (six years ago) link
Oh yeah, I promptly bought that. I guess that NIN cover of Dead Souls was really the first JD related thing I heard.
― circa1916, Sunday, 14 January 2018 01:55 (six years ago) link
It was the first time I heard that song, by anybody! I were but a slip of a lad
― Colonel Poo, Sunday, 14 January 2018 02:08 (six years ago) link
it had never actually occurred to me until just now, but the first thing I ever heard by Joy Division was the nine inch nails cover of dead souls.that means that nine inch nails was my introduction to Joy Division, Aphex Twin and Coil (the 2 latter through their work on further down the spiral).
― silverfish, Sunday, 14 January 2018 04:17 (six years ago) link
Oh man, same. NIN was definitely a stepping stone for me and others in my circle growing up.
― circa1916, Sunday, 14 January 2018 05:39 (six years ago) link