Joy Division: Classic Or Dud?

originally read that as "Britney Spears is reporting etc."

not sure what to think about this. it really is bizarre.

Ian Curtis heavily inspired by Iggy so not so bizzare.

http://www.slicingupeyeballs.com/2014/03/11/new-order-iggy-pop-joy-division-love-will-tear-us-apart/

From Brittany's review:

The evening then arrived to the concert "headliners," if that's an appropriate term for a benefit. Bernard Sumner, Phil Cunningham and Tom Chapman of New Order brought on stage Manchester poet Mike Garry and composer Jo Duddell for a special performance of Garry's poem "St. Anthony" set to New Order's "Your Silent Face." Making it even more special is who the poem had been written in honor of -- Factory Records' owner Tony Wilson. Wilson of course, discovered them all when they were Joy Division.

The most excellent and fulfilling of the surprises came from Iggy Pop's entrance on stage to perform a trio of songs with New Order. Dressed in an oversized black blazer, dress pants, and no shirt, Iggy Pop looked particularly buttoned up with only part of his bare chest peeking beneath the suit. He made a very Iggy Pop show of New Order's "California Grass" before the evening's most audience-rousing pair of performances arrived as the collaborators dove into two Joy Division tracks. Pop took over Joy Division's "Transmission" as patrons jumped to their feet to "dance, dance, dance, dance, dance" as the song commands. Pop's voice has aged nicely, even deeper and with more resonance as he perfectly delivered a vocal reminiscent of the late Joy Division singer Ian Curtis' deep tone. Excitement heightened as they transitioned into "Love Will Tear Us Apart" and more people jumped to their feet and ran towards the stage to continue dancing and jumping and taking part in this truly remarkable moment. Sumner took over the majority of vocal duties though Pop did the refrain justice.

Um, wasn't Iggy on Ian's turntable when he hung himself? Something sort of ... unseemly about this.

His album was, yes.

Should have brought Werner Herzog and a chicken on for the encore.

That's actually the one thing about it that doesn't feel dumb to me. There's no way of knowing what anybody's last hour was actually like, of course, but I think of The Idiot on the turntable as signifying "let me hear some music I love one last time" or possibly "maybe playing an album I like will help; it used to help."

Bernard Sumner, Phil Cunningham and Tom Chapman of New Order

who?

Phil has been in New Order for 10yrs longer than Joy Division was active.

Aero, that was a really insightful and humanizing comment. It's easy to be removed from everything Ian was going through, poor bastard.

otm.

Phil has been in New Order for 10yrs longer than Joy Division was active.

holy shit that's a terrifying thought

subtract the years they were split though

@peter_hook1
Very sad to hear the news today about Annik Honore - we'll be playing Atmosphere tonight for her. Hope she's sat up there with Ian. RIP.

She was so much more than Ian's other woman, though - she played a big role bringing attention to some great European bands.

Yeah we talk about her on the Disques du Crepuscule thread

Good old Hooky, still claiming the JD legacy for himself.

So, 34 years ago I was listening to Closer the week after it was released. And it meant EVERYTHING.

And now...it almost means more.

Ian is dead. Annik is dead. But the songs.. oh God, those songs. As much as I loved the band at the time, I never realised how much those words and those melodies coud mean, even 34 years later.

I really am too old for this to matter, but it does. "Here are the young men, a weight's on their shoulders.." and now they aren't young but the weight is still there.

We have carried the weight because of this music; these words. They really are that important and that magical. They aren't a band; they are a mystique that manages to transcend everything, even their future (and their future was magnificent).

So thanks Bernard, Peter, Stephen, Ian and Martin ( and Debbie and Annik because you, too, were part of this mythology). Thanks for every note, every idea, every tear, every laugh. You have helped to get me here, still alive and more rounded because of the music you created.

I feel ya, man. When you live with albums, songs and people your whole life (practically), through the highest highs and lowest lows, the music, the myths and the people behind it mean more and more. Don't forget Tony Wilson, Peter Saville and Rob Gretton. All essential to the story of Joy Division.

Dunno if this has been mentioned on the rolling BBC4 thread, but tonight there is a documentary this evening on JD.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b0543ytw

Looking forward to seeing Paul Morley's big squashy face.

*tonight/this evening* jeez, forgive my aprés work brain

Les Brains Douche </supernerdyjoydivbootlegjoke>

That's the movie that was out a few years ago.

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great documentary, chiefly for the archive footage of the band and around Manchester at the time, but I got really irate at that bloke who described Ian as 'bipolar'.

Watched a few bits, there have been a few JD docs: so curious how Deborah Curtis is a ghost in these...hated the conclusions of a regenerated Manchester whose nice plush housing is possibly unaffordable to most of the people that work there.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3M4Itfodkac

I put my TRUST in you.

Caring about betrayal is old-fashioned though because people are generally complete fucking shit in 2018.

Sometimes people are upset about things and turn to music an alcohol and the internet, and that's okay. I'm not the kind of pussy who grew up with Safe Spaces. I'm a different kind of pussy.

POLL Will Tear Us Apart – ILM Artist Poll #86 - JOY DIVISION – New Order solo or other groups Poll (aka the Electronic poll) – a NEW ORDER (#37) supplement poll --- Results Thread

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18. A Means To An End 197 Points 6 Votes

<Such a great poll>

Last ILM artist poll...

(Until the next one opens)

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Gave Unknown Pleasures a run for the first time in about five years last night, and I feel like it's kind of way better and infinitely more resonating than when I first heard it in my early twenties.

Just fantastic music.

The way they released their music is a source of constant wonder to me. I knew Love Will Tear Us Apart and Atmosphere were non-album tracks but I never realized until recently that Dead Souls was also a non-album track, despite having listened to it dozens of times.

Yeah that was always curious to me. Transmission another one. Most of their famous songs aren’t on the proper albums.

Factory used to do that because it was considered a rip off to put already released songs on albums. That was pretty common with indie labels in the UK at least til the mid-80s. Sarah records were particularly militant about it

Kind of a rip off for the consumer though? Having to buy multiple singles instead of throwing down on a full LP that includes two singles or whatever + more songs. IDK, didn’t grow up in the singles era.

The thinking was that fans would buy everything anyway, so it was actually giving them better value for money by putting out songs as singles that didn't later reappear on the related album.

Right. Yeah, I guess it depends on avid fan v. casual.

The casual fan might well just buy the odd single and not the album so they'd be happy with the arrangement. Meanwhile, yeah, the serious fans would buy everything so it was a good deal for them to have no overlap of tracks. But of course it wasn't quite that neat and I'm sure plenty of people did prefer having singles on albums. You sometimes had them added as bonus tracks on the cassette, where there was more room.

And if you could wait then singles would often be collected on something like Hatful of Hollow, which was sold for budget price at first I think.

Yeah, was gonna say, all evens out in the end with the singles comps.

I used to think of them as a singles band because like a lot of americans of my age, my introduction to Joy Division was Substance, which was released with some fanfair and easier to find than the actual albums.

tbh I still only own Substance.

oh wait I do have Still.

substance I think was released by a major label. my first introduction to joy division when I was like, 14 or 15, courtesy of a review in rolling stone of all fucking places

Qwest, which was Quincy Jones imprint on Warner Brothers. He signed New Order and got Joy Division.