Revolt of the ILX Brigade: New Post-Fahey Folk For PPL that post in the Takoma & Tompkin's Square Threads

There was also this Renaissance Fairgrounds gig I liked.... What's the Dicks Picks to convince a skeptic?

Jimmywine seems to have the Grateful Dead game on lockdown, going to let him steer you on this one (I haven't spent serious time with the Dead for a long time), but the trick of listening to Bob is a good one. He is just a great player, especially when he mostly shuts up and goes at it.

I think Tyler went on a listening spree recently as well, maybe he has an especially fresh take on The Dead as well.

anyone let me know (also spottie don't add 250 volumes of Dick's Picks to the spotify playlist :) )

this thread is getting way too hip, i gotta bring it back to the roots w/some ponytail NPR shit...i'm pretty in love with this record...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZnbYG2xiSE8

http://soundcloud.com/matthew-lee-helgeson/gabriel-ii

fucking around w/a drum machine & fingerpicking, feel like there's something there

decided on Dick's Picks Vol 4 - 2/13/70

figured early 70s was best...this had a long Dark Star which piqued my interest...they hadn't gotten really crappy sounding corny instrument tones yet. Casey Jones is p peppy so far, first tune.

lmao oh lord pac they are covering "Dancing in the Street" by Martha & the Vandellas...come home Jagger/Bowie all is forgiven

actually once they dispense with the formality of actually having to cover the song, this jam that goes on for another 6 minutes is p good

I'd recommend Dick's Picks 22 if you're up for another one after that one; that's my personal favorite so far of the 10 or so that I've heard. It's from 1968.

ha yeah, i feel like "dancing in the street" is the ultimate "omg just get to the jam section" dead song.
& yeah, I have listened to tons of live dead in the last 2-3 years after staying away from them for a long time. don't know if i have any major insight other than that the Dead rule. For the most part. but you could easily live your life w/o really going past 1974ish.

74 sounds like a good cutoff, i use a similar rule on zappa mostly, i don't get too far past the breakup of the original mothers

i mean, i find things to like throughout the 70s -- the 80s/90s are kind of fascinating in a trainwreck kinda way (and there is some good music, for sure). i'll probably end up being one of those dudes who's like "1989 was their best year, man!"

do any of you guys rate Blue Roses / Laura Groves? I've got the eponymous Blue Roses LP and it's pretty incredible stuff. A few cuts with some gentle, spare acoustic picking and multilayered background vox that seem to fit in this vein to a slight degree though it owes a bit to Kate bush and late 60s/early 70s UK female folk singers.

new to the site and the thread, so hello to everyone.

Lots of great stuff to be exploring. Not read *everything* so forgive if there's any repetition. A few things that come to mind:

- not sure if it's been mentioned but Bruce Langhorne's Hired Hand soundtrack, along with Sandy Bull seems like a precursor to a lot of this stuff. Such a great 'album'.

- This leads pretty much directly to Scott Tuma for me, who's quietly released 5 of the most beautiful records of the 00s. <i>Not for Nobody</i> reduces me to a gibbering wreck.

-Plus anything by Hallock Hill. Guy called Tom Lecky who works in a more improvisatory style, but whose work carries the ghosts of a lot of the primitive tradition. <i>The Union/A Hem of Evening</i> on MIE is a thing of wonder.

Hey Chinaski, welcome. This is a long thread, so a lot to absorb. Langhorne's Hired Hand got a good repping here, and has been brought up (was new to me, I really loved it). Tuma has come up as well I think, but I definitely have been meaning to dig deeper. Haven't had a chance to listen to much, but I see his name popping up a lot in relation to a lot of stuff I love, so it seems likely I will be into it.

Just listened to Hallock Hill recently, pretty cool. Read a bit about his methods, I like the approach in theory quite a bit. It got a little samey for me but I need to listen to it a bit more. A really nice sound for sure. Definitely been into pretty much every MIE release, becoming a go-to label for me.

Al, can honestly say I have never heard of Blue Roses/Laura Groves. What era is it from? Those aren't names I have seen pop up at all, which is intriguing in iteslf.

http://youtu.be/t5kaYN1wT2Q

this is one of the cuts that made me think she'd be enjoyed up in here though like I said she's maybe not 100% in the style of this thread. This is from 2009!

Cool, thanks. Will try to check it out in a bit.

- not sure if it's been mentioned but Bruce Langhorne's Hired Hand soundtrack, along with Sandy Bull seems like a precursor to a lot of this stuff. Such a great 'album'.

- This leads pretty much directly to Scott Tuma for me, who's quietly released 5 of the most beautiful records of the 00s. <i>Not for Nobody</i> reduces me to a gibbering wreck.

-Plus anything by Hallock Hill. Guy called Tom Lecky who works in a more improvisatory style, but whose work carries the ghosts of a lot of the primitive tradition. <i>The Union/A Hem of Evening</i> on MIE is a thing of wonder.

― Chinaski, Thursday, February 27, 2014 4:20 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Welcome, Chinaski! I thought I was the only one who drew a line from [Hired Hand (pretty much one of my all-time favorite pieces of music) to Tuma, who is a very overlooked dude imo. I think I brought it up earlier on this thread, but another piece of this puzzle is Head of Wantastiquet. Any fan of Langhorne, Tuma, et al owes it to him or herself to hear the album Dead Seas.

I think Tuma is sorta slept on mostly because he doesn't seem very ambitious. He rarely tours or plays outside of Chicago. I mean, he sorta makes Glenn Jones look like a social-climbing careerist or something by comparison.

What is the best Tuma release, or your favorite at least?

I really like Dandelion but Not For Nobody gets a lot of play around here, too. Some of his stuff sounds like Dead Man if someone brought the faders down on everything but the room mic.

"Some of his stuff sounds like Dead Man if someone brought the faders down on everything but the room mic." Hah sold man, sounds exactly like my kind of thing. Thanks for the recs.

welcome chinaski

tyler says it's John Fahey's birthday

happy birthday to the man wherever his spirit now resides

<3

Happy 75th!

I'm sure there's a couple here that follow Delta Slider; but the blog, for atleast the past 4 or 5 years, has always done a 'Fahey Week' on the days leading up to his birthday.

http://delta-slider.blogspot.com/

This year was pretty decent, mostly live shows that haven't been widely distributed. I really wish there was one fell swoop that people could grab live Fahey material. Ryan Leaf, a contributor to the Fahey Players Yahoo Group, used to manage a database of sorts that had a completionist leaning list to download all of Fahey's live material.

Anyone else really into the live material? It is really great to get to hear medleys of tunes strung together that you normally aren't exposed to when listening to the albums. Plus is amazing banter, the banter is almost worth the listens on their own.

That mighta been kind of confusing.

What I meant was I wish there was a public website you could easily find that hosts all the known live recordings of Fahey. Full set lists, date and venue info, maybe light on the commentary, just a neutral perspective in the completionist vein. Links that don't expire too :)

I will say that Syracuse '71 is amazing, pretty sure I have a good 73 recording as well but I'll have to check at home in a few

oh man, I went looking through old bookmarks and found Ryan Leaf's archive of Fahey live recordings.

please let it be known that this is not available via Google search. this list used to be active and he was asking for anyone to contribute recordings that aren't featured in the archive yet. I don't know if he is still doing this anymore.

sleeve I don't see your '71 Syracuse here though, I do see a '72 Syracuse boot, could it be that one?

there's a good 25+ bootlegs here, plus some Fahey rarities like the great (unofficial?) cassette called "Azalea City and Other Toxic Nostalgia"

https://www.onlinefilefolder.com/2fWlzJPwSmAPJh
password: fahey01

enjoy!

references:
he did publicly post the link back in 2012 on his blog,
http://www.thesepathswetread.blogspot.com/2012/03/john-fahey-live-shows.html

Cool stuff. The one Fahey boot I've listened to a ton is from early 70s, a California radio station I can't recall the call letters of but it's great

yeah Neal you're right, I have:

Jabberwocky Syracuse University July 15, 1972
September 1972 McCabe's Guitar Shop Santa Monica, CA
and 1984-12-07

all those came from D!ME, I think...

Went to the record store today and snagged a use CD copy of China Gate by Cul De Sac & a vinyl copy of the lady & the unicorn by Renbourne

the swarthmore version of 'some summer day' is bottomlessly deep. some nice tape warble going on? performances aside i think the ramshackle/variable methods of recording these shows add a really cool, eerie atmosphere to the songs.

imo that Swarthmore recording is a standout. his guitar looms so large as it's not, like, a close miced performance for radio... it sounds like it's from partway through the audience. it's immense. also, a lot of the well-recorded versions of 'dance of the inhabitants' one don't come close to this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0cTdPTrihlI

i think it's important that the piece has the natural reverb and space that's offered by a big concert hall

Yeah a bunch were traded on DIME previously and other tapers-trading boards. I can imagine the lure for tape/sound board collectors to keep this stuff covered in cobwebs on various hard drives. But all this stuff should be made as public as possible, for the sake of getting the most Fahey material out there.

Agreed global tet. That is a great version of "Dance.."
I love audience recordings. Especially of unaccompanied guitar.

Cheers all.

Just went through and found the 1000-odd posts I'd not seen yet: this thread is truly a pot of gold!

I'd not heard of Head of Wantastiquet, so will definitely check them out; to my shame, I've not even seen Dead Man, let alone heard the soundtrack. Will get on that, too. And that Fahey archive? Ho-leee sheeiit.

The live versions of "dance..." are the best & feature a rare bit of palm muting from JF, makes the intro so tense

Was going to say on Scott Tuma that any of the first three records are golden for me, with Not For Nobody probably my favourite. I interviewed him for a site I started a few years back (don't know if anyone ever saw it: The Liminal?; it's dead now) and he was a funny old stick - wary of email, insular, and kind of out of time; but he was totally engaging and had an earthy old wisdom about him. I wish he'd come over to the UK.

Hey global congrats on the dying for bad music thing!

Hey Chinaksi - would love to read that Tuma piece if it's archived anywhere! I saw him play once at the Empty Bottle in Chicago - was great.

hey, thanks! it was pretty exciting to be asked. shooting for mid or late 2014 i think... now the pressure's on, haha.

Does your ilx mail work?

i don't know, so I sent you one with the dirty details (my name and email)

Hey Global, congrats on the record as well! I look forward to hearing it. I told you I thought your stuff was good enough to release, glad someone else thought so as well.

Really enjoying that version of "Dance ...." as well, thanks for posting that.

Thanks man! I remember when you said that, it meant a lot and made me think I might have something going on. Ya, I love that version of Dance. At 4:20 when he gets into the really prolonged exploratory droney bits it just gets so ethereal, it honestly gives me chills every time I listen to it. Still haven't heard anything that quite approaches it. I love how rapturous the audience sounds at the end, too... like, a big theater full of hundreds of people just totally on board with and eating up this freakshow instrumental drone thing? Fine by me!

I met William Tyler last week and recorded 3 lo-fi videos of his set.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zHChzgn6ET4&index=2&list=PLk4j0PHOV1BOm_G9HEaQI0_apV9iMjg7q
It was nice and I forgot how great he is in creating beautiful ambient soundscapes with his guitar.
There is also some shredding and light head banging :)
I also uploaded a song from his debut as solo guitarist under the name The Paper Hats, from 2008. The album Deseret Canyon will be re-released under his own name, so people hopefully won't refer to Behold the Spirit as his first album anymore. It was just not first released in the US.
But it's a great mixture of ambient music and hist great guitar work
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zZhQXUGE5us

And not to forget "Come and See" his first 4-track collage work http://www.apparent-extent.com/index.php?id=151 but that goes too far ...

Jerry Hionis released a new thing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aXQtVtXE1Xw

http://jerryhionis.bandcamp.com/album/arrakian-circle-dances

that sounds p lush, i would love to get that rose-ian tone. hionis seems like a v interesting character (to the point of almost seeming like a literary creation), his stuff always has nifty artwork, & he's quite possibly the best guitarist amongst the current crop of islamic economic theorists

I like that Hionis track, cool low-end slide action. Hadn't resonated that much with the past stuff here, despite it being very accomplished in obvious ways, maybe felt a bit stiff to me (or just didn't have new enough angles to it to catch my ears at the time). I'll try to dig in more, but really listening to it made me immediately want to hear that Swarthmore "Dance ...." from Fahey posted above. That is some straight-up gold. His tone sounds almost electric on some of the low-end slide parts (which Global notes starts around 4:20 and gets real heavy/weird at the 6:20 mark), it is just such an active/full tone man. Makes me want to play an acoustic guitar, which rarely happens.

ogmor:

the best guitarist amongst the current crop of islamic economic theorists

oh lord, haha, thank you.