Lily Allen - This summers biggest racist?

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... so what's the sample in LDN, anyone find out perchance?

― StanM (StanM), Monday, 10 July 2006 14:24 (nineteen years ago)

What does ska signify? I don't get a sense of there being a particular purpose behind its use in Lily's songs

it really reinforces this 'cockernee charm' which is a massive part of her appeal - this cheeky street ladette character which seems to be her entire public persona (going on interviews as well here), which makes it easy to call her "female mike skinner". like lady sov but not actually a real chav - in fact, like a drama school student playing a sov-type character in a school play.

― The Lex (The Lex), Monday, 10 July 2006 14:30 (nineteen years ago)

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i dont care if she was gay or bi id still drooole of her shes hawt hehehe wud b nice for lily to b gay cos then she cud be like in with tatu and......has a quick day dream...... huh where was i????
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Umm, I shouldn't really repost stuff I found on other boards, but ah here you are.

― mark grout (mark grout), Monday, 10 July 2006 14:42 (nineteen years ago)

Dissensus, right?

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Monday, 10 July 2006 14:44 (nineteen years ago)

The LDN sample is Lord Kitchener "London belongs to me", no?

The ska thing is only a problem if you want it to be. It does signify - in the UK at least - a kind of Radio 6 dad-friendly black music - it's not "dangerously" urban and people like Phil Jupitus, Mark Lamarr, and - yes - Keith Allen like it. In that sense it's a perfectly understandable contingency - she found a load of music she liked in her dad's record collection, as anyone might do. It doesn't seem like an affectation. There's actually less of it on the album than you might think.

― Jerry the Nipper (Jerrynipper), Monday, 10 July 2006 14:53 (nineteen years ago)

"London is the place for me", is the Lord Kitchener I meant to say, not the St Et song.

― Jerry the Nipper (Jerrynipper), Monday, 10 July 2006 14:55 (nineteen years ago)

like lady sov but not actually a real chav - in fact, like a drama school student playing a sov-type character in a school play.

allen uses reggae/ska as a means of demonstrating her 'realness'

Ooh, inauthentic pop stars. Ooh, not black or from a council estate. Ooh, Keith Allen's daughter.

― "C" (Holey), Monday, 10 July 2006 15:01 (nineteen years ago)

you should go to the msg board full of black un-indie Americans - OH WAIT IT DOESN'T EXIST ;)

hahahahahahaha stevem you just made me cackle like a drunk wizard, and i am neither of those.

Lord kitchener

it isn't London Is The Place For Me, but it could well be another Kitch tune. what i want to know is, what's that piano sample on "knock 'em out"? it's doing my bloody head in.

i absolutely completely love "alright, still", btw fwiw etc. there's one bloody awful track - say what you say, or whatever it's called - which sounds like bad bad bad happy mondays or something, but the rest of it? splendid.

― CharlieNo4 (Charlie), Monday, 10 July 2006 15:11 (nineteen years ago)

The issue here is that Marcello always wanted to be a pretty girl but when he mentioned it to his father, he got beaten up with a cane. With dad playing Madness in the background.

― ESTEBAN BUTTEZ is a GE Money Genie (ESTEBAN BUTTEZ~!!!), Monday, 10 July 2006 15:14 (nineteen years ago)

The Lex, I can't believe how much negative meaning you manage to attach to Lily Allen. You don't have to like it as far as I'm concerned of course, but I think your dislike is of your own making and not inherent to Lily Allen, her music or ska in general. In other words: blessed are the simple of mind such as I, for they can take a good record for what it is.

PS Charlie, you mean "Take What You Take", which sounds awfuller every time I hear it.

― JoB (JoB), Monday, 10 July 2006 15:21 (nineteen years ago)

I think Lex just hates indie-Ska, not SKA

although I could be wrong...

As for Lily Allen. Definitely Pop for rockists IMO (despite the mixtapes which I kind of approve of and wish there was more of in her own music!) and I can well understand Lex's infuriation, my own aversion I think is still coming down to an unsettling aftertaste about her.

― fandango (fandango), Monday, 10 July 2006 20:36 (nineteen years ago)

...which is based on a media image, I assume. A silly reason to dismiss a record, i'd say. Also: "indie-ska" - if you write it down like that, sure, I'd be inclined to hate it as well. But what does that even mean? Why would you even want to approach it like that?

― JoB (JoB), Monday, 10 July 2006 21:31 (nineteen years ago)

Don't assume, my aversion to her is totally coming from within the songs unfortunately! Shame because Knob Dad or not she's heartbreakingly cute and seems reasonably smart too, phoney myspace success story or not I'd like to get behind this one (that needs a rephrase) but... no, something here is just a little bit unlikeable.

― fandango (fandango), Monday, 10 July 2006 21:53 (nineteen years ago)

The issue here is that Marcello always wanted to be a pretty girl but when he mentioned it to his father, he got beaten up with a cane. With dad playing Madness in the background.

That's a pretty accurate summation, actually.

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Tuesday, 11 July 2006 06:10 (nineteen years ago)

First OMM now NME, what next?

http://www.nme.com/images/84_NMEcoverlilyallen_L150706_uk_01.jpg

― DJ Martian (djmartian), Tuesday, 11 July 2006 20:24 (nineteen years ago)

she definitely won't win the MMP.

― Konal Doddz (blueski), Tuesday, 11 July 2006 20:30 (nineteen years ago)

I honestly can't think who will win it this year to be honest, especially because we're in a designated "no guitars" year.

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Tuesday, 11 July 2006 20:34 (nineteen years ago)

Blogger, In League with Paton has suggestions on who will make the Mecury Music Prize shortlist

Pure Speculation
http://inleaguewithpaton.blogspot.com/2006/07/pure-speculation.html

― DJ Martian (djmartian), Tuesday, 11 July 2006 20:42 (nineteen years ago)

Eligible: British or Irish Artists who released an album between July 25th 2005 and July 17th 2006.

Lily Allen qualifies, as album is released on July 17th 2006

Is Dom hoping that Editors will NOT win? they qualify as released on July 25th 2005.

http://rateyourmusic.com/album_images/s343690.jpg

― DJ Martian (djmartian), Tuesday, 11 July 2006 20:52 (nineteen years ago)

The only band in that list who have the slightest fucking hope of being nominated are Psapp, and even then only if they get a song on an advert and a hit thereafter.

I mean, the only name I can come up with at the moment is Sway, but surely if he can't get Radio 1 playlist he can't get a Mercury prize win?

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Tuesday, 11 July 2006 21:23 (nineteen years ago)

i heard some girls, playing grime, on the bus in kentish town the other morning. they were bullying this other girl. they were fucking horrible! makes you think.

― Roughage Crew (Enrique), Tuesday, 11 July 2006 21:45 (nineteen years ago)

My bump of the grindie thread only got one response :(

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Tuesday, 11 July 2006 22:05 (nineteen years ago)

what, are we saying arctic monkeys won't win?

corinne bailey rae.

― rtccc (mwah), Tuesday, 11 July 2006 22:36 (nineteen years ago)

Who gives a shit about the Mercury Music Prize???

Shame this album was a bit of a disappointment, because the "LDN"/"Knock 'Em Out" seven-inch is the debut single of the decade. The pop sheen production on the album sounds horrid!

― Mr. Snrub (Mr. Snrub), Tuesday, 11 July 2006 22:57 (nineteen years ago)

of the decade 1996-2006?

― Roughage Crew (Enrique), Wednesday, 12 July 2006 06:56 (nineteen years ago)

mmm 'pop sheen'.

― pisces (piscesx), Wednesday, 12 July 2006 08:39 (nineteen years ago)

Nothing cleans like it.

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Wednesday, 12 July 2006 08:41 (nineteen years ago)

'parrently, still No1 by some distance in the midweeks.

Oh, and Thom Yorkeis number 2 in the albums by summat like 500 lps.

― mark grout (mark grout), Wednesday, 12 July 2006 08:44 (nineteen years ago)

"To me Kylie playing Glastonbury would be the ultimate insult to it. It should be about new, interesting music, not mainstream pop."

I know pop stars say dumb, r**kist stuff all the time, but this is likely to push a few people off the fence where Lily Allen is concerned, I suspect.

― Flyboy (Flyboy), Wednesday, 12 July 2006 08:44 (nineteen years ago)

But her substance abuse comments are one “hit” her record label would rather she avoided.

*slow claps Newton*

― Konal Doddz (blueski), Wednesday, 12 July 2006 08:49 (nineteen years ago)

Right, so in an article detailing her experiences with Cocaine and Ketamine, you focus on how she's not that keen on Kylie.

Hey, Sun Newspaper. If you want to set a good example to the "kids", don't publish her comments!

― mark grout (mark grout), Wednesday, 12 July 2006 08:50 (nineteen years ago)

ILM readers more likely to be upset about Kylie diss than Class A advocacy I strongly suspect.

― Konal Doddz (blueski), Wednesday, 12 July 2006 08:52 (nineteen years ago)

x-post... I don't think her experiences with coke etc. are particularly surprising, nor do they annoy me, so yeah, I focused on the irritating bit. Oh noes!

― Flyboy (Flyboy), Wednesday, 12 July 2006 08:53 (nineteen years ago)

I LOVE the way tabloids RANDOMLY pick out the WORST comments, just to HELP offend their brainless READERS even more.

― StanM (StanM), Wednesday, 12 July 2006 08:57 (nineteen years ago)

Allen is riding HIGH in the HIT parade, and it looks like she will SCORE another smash with her LP. She does not resemble a HORSE and has all the makings of a modern day indieskapop HEROINe.

― Konal Doddz (blueski), Wednesday, 12 July 2006 09:02 (nineteen years ago)

Of course she's on coke and ketamine. She is KEITH ALLEN'S DAUGHTER people. She probably had the stuff on her Frosties from the age of six.

(xpost - haha)

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Wednesday, 12 July 2006 09:03 (nineteen years ago)

It puts a new perspective on the title of this thread anyways

― zebedee (zebedee), Wednesday, 12 July 2006 09:07 (nineteen years ago)

from skimming upthread: ska signifies whiteness now?

― Roughage Crew (Enrique), Wednesday, 12 July 2006 11:06 (nineteen years ago)

Madness are white.

― Raw Patrick (Raw Patrick), Wednesday, 12 July 2006 12:20 (nineteen years ago)

the knock 'em out sample is from 'fess up' by dr john

― art vandelay (what?), Wednesday, 12 July 2006 16:09 (nineteen years ago)

...or at least i thought it was. it may well be big chief by prof longhair tho... oops!

― art vandelay (what?), Wednesday, 12 July 2006 20:32 (nineteen years ago)

There's now a Lily Allen soundalike track on DFS radio commercials?!

― Raw Patrick (Raw Patrick), Friday, 14 July 2006 10:57 (nineteen years ago)

Lallen's FIVE STARS are spreadeagled over the top of today's Grauniad.

Someone is VERY desperate for this record to be a success, aren't they?

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Friday, 14 July 2006 11:07 (nineteen years ago)

it's the only way to thwart that Tunstall/Bailey-Rae/Thom troika.

― Konal Doddz (blueski), Friday, 14 July 2006 11:08 (nineteen years ago)

She gives reasonable controversial media but the music is pretty un-exciting, don't get this at all. Her comment Re:Kylie is so utterly toilet basin-brained as to be laugh out loud funny- "Glastonbury should be about new, interesting music, not mainstream pop"-- firstly Lallen is horrendous mainstream pop of the worst variety herself, secondly Kylie (infrequently admittedly)produces interesting music, thirdly Glastonbury is actually about dull stadium indie. She needs more horse tranquilizer!

― gekoppel (Gekoppel), Monday, 17 July 2006 18:40 (nineteen years ago)

I suggest a series of ten minute shows going out at 9:50 pm on a Wednesday (BBC 2) were, following Chantelle Fiddy's lead, each week a different blogger walks in on Lily Allen sitting on the toilet. Week 1: that guy who used to be in Star Trek who plays poker these days. Week 2: Andrew Sullivan. Week 3: Nick Sylvester. I smell ratings.

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Monday, 17 July 2006 18:56 (nineteen years ago)

Only just listened to this. I like Take What You Take best, cos it sounds like The Farm.

― JimD (JimD), Tuesday, 18 July 2006 16:14 (nineteen years ago)

But what would she be doing on the toliet? If it's her laying cable, I probably wouldn't tune in.

― ESTEBAN BUTTEZ is a GE Money Genie (ESTEBAN BUTTEZ~!!!), Tuesday, 18 July 2006 16:19 (nineteen years ago)

Heh, Pitchdork gave her album an 8.3 today.

"QUICK! BEFORE THE BANDWAGON ROLLS OFF A CLIFF, NICK SYLVESTER!"

(Expect to see Stylus give the album a D. With a review written by Passantino in which the music isn't even mentioned once.)

― ESTEBAN BUTTEZ is a GE Money Genie (ESTEBAN BUTTEZ~!!!), Tuesday, 18 July 2006 16:30 (nineteen years ago)

I can't believe cock-fork-meeja buy into the whole making it through myspace NONSENSE... how stupid and credulous are they? She was signed before she had anything to do with Myspace...

― gekoppel (Gekoppel), Tuesday, 18 July 2006 19:28 (nineteen years ago)

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