Rolling Metal Thread 2014

the NWN reissue of the four Cremation demos is some of the best, most obscure music I've ever heard. Not obscure in the sense of "nobody's ever heard of it" but in its mood, its feel. An incredible disc.

Just ordered the Vardlokk 7" and intending to order the Cremation. Thanks dudes, you're making this thread pay off for me today!

you might think of DM in waves.. First wave, the Florida stuff.. second wave, the swedish stuff.. 3rd wave, everything since. lol. With bands like Possessed, Venom and even Slayer being proto.. just my opinion

anything on this cremation thing that wasn't in the vinyl release from a few years ago?

and yeah, really great. been too long since I've spun those guys.

Noob question: what '80s death-metal bands should I check out if I like this Obliteration album?

While the bands I'm gonna mention don't share the sound of that Obliteration disc, and were more 90s than 80s, I think the early Norwegian death metal scene is unique and substantive enough to merit its own recommendation.

Molested - Blod-Draum
Cadaver - Hallucinating Anxiety; In Pains
Darkthrone - Soulside Journey
Thou Shalt Suffer - Into the Woods of Belial

With the exception of Cadaver, these bands went on, in much more popular guises, to make black metal (and even Cadaver put out Discipline as Cadaver Inc, which has a millennial, grinding, Voivod-inflected black metal thing going on), but before that transition they created some of the most unique and sceneless death metal I've ever heard. I can't really compare them to anything, not even to each other. Weird, ghostly music that died prematurely.

Also Algol's Entering the Woods of Enchantment.

Craig Locicero from Forbidden/SpiralArms/Man Made God referred to Ghost as Scooby Doom... I thought that was pretty funny.

Meanwhile Locicero played on that horrendous Tateryche album last year.

He's a goofy dude.. Don't get him going on conspiracy theories.. whoa!

Neurot Recordings is pleased to welcome long-running Eugene, Oregon-based doom metal trio, YOB, to their expanding household of eclectic, thought-provoking music. The band -- founding vocalist/guitarist Mike Scheidt, drummer Travis Foster and bassist Aaron Rieseberg -- will release their seventh studio offering this Fall preceded by an appearance at the illustrious Roadburn Festival in Tilburg, The Netherlands in April.

Comments Scheidt of the recent union, "YOB is very happy to have signed to Neurot for our new album. Travis, Aaron and I agree that Neurosis is the epitome of forward-thinking heavy music, made with zero compromise. Our love for their music is total. Neurot's dedication to putting out uncompromising music is no different. To have this opportunity to put an album out on their label is an honor that runs deep. We cannot wait to share our new music with Neurot and our friends worldwide."

Neurosis' Steve Von Till notes, "This was meant to be. Neurot has always sought out to work with those who share in the purification of spirit through sound and who harvest their sound from originality and intensity. When I listen to YOB, see them leave it all on the stage, or share a conversation with them about life, I can say beyond a shadow of a doubt that they embody what Neurot stands for completely and we are so very honored that we get the opportunity to work together with them on their next album."

Adds Scott Kelly, "YOB, as with all things that actually matter, there is only one. They have built their temple with a foundation concreted in absolute truth. The truth is the riffs, the truth is in the delivery, it's in the unwavering commitment, and in the handshake and the look in their eyes. If you don't know them, then you are fucking up your own lifes' truth. There's is nothing heavier on the face of this earth than this band. The Neurot Family is honored to be a part of legacy of this, the monolithic treasure of sonic achievement that is YOB."

Further details on YOB's forthcoming new release to be unveiled in the coming weeks. Stay tuned.

Scott Kelly not one exactly shy about bestowing praise is he.

If you don't know them, then you are fucking up your own lifes' truth.

i love this

that Kelly quote re: YOB is so great

not to get too hung up on the horns thing but for the record Behemoth snuck straight up smooth jazz sax onto this album and it works

Got my copy of the Aevangelist album today. Love it. Have to remember that you can't spell their name without Vangelis. And tea backwards.

Talk about buyer's remorse. While I am in general down with Reckless' practice of saving space on the sales floor by providing only the liner notes in plastic sleeves, it burned me in this instance. I totally would not have bought the new Prostitute Disfigurement album if I'd have known there was a song called, "Dismember the Transgender". It pays to do your research, I guess. Not that I expect delicate handling of sensitive topics and progressive thinking from a band called Prostitute Disfigurement, but sometimes the lines we draw are arbitrary and I feel okay saying that in 2014 I don't want to give me money to a band that writes a song called "Dismember the Transgender".

woof.

the cover of that too, yikes

the song "compulsive beheading disorder," later in the album, is a sensitive look at a syndrome misunderstood by so many

what kind of baffling aesthetic decisions wd u have had to have made to even buy an album by a band called Prostitute Disfigurement. not buying the idea that the name is particularly evocative of a strain of brutal & nihilistic metal-as-philosophy; it's the sort of terrible bullshit a 15 year-old would come up with to shock his mother

I'm trying to get the rules straight regarding certain extreme metal topics: Bashing Christianity is okay, but bashing Judaism will get you into trouble. Violence aimed at women is okay, but when it's aimed at the transgendered a line has been crossed.

This post is not an attempt to bash you, Jon. But the inconsistencies of what is accepted and what is taboo among extreme metal bands and fans gets me quite weary. Because violence against women is one of the most serious problems in our society yet death metal, goregrind and the like have been raping and killing women off for ages with nary a complaint.

If you don't have albums that you love and paid money for that involve bashing Christianity and/or doing terrible things to women, I would be surprised. But that shit gets a pass and in fact someone will be along to give me shit for not giving it a pass, most likely.

Now playing: Cannibal Corpse "Stripped, Raped, And Strangled"

I mean, shit. The band NAME is about disfiguring prostitutes.

like, Cattle Decapitation and Cock And Ball Torture (.ogg) are great fucken names because they're violent without being openly and brutally callous

*humorously & luridly violent

Bashing Christianity is okay while bashing Judaism is not (not like that ever stopped Absurd or any of their NSBM compatriots) bc Christianity has been the hegemonic cultural context of Europe + the rest of the Western world for the last thousand years. It's punching up.

I knew I shouldn't have even posted that. I regretted it almost instantly after I hit 'Submit Post'. I was trying to branch out of my comfort zone wrt metal and I've rarely tread in the brutal death metal waters. I read some positive buzz about this particular album on Twitter and a couple metal blogs, so I grabbed it. I knew I was getting into some murky waters and I was approaching at the "lol angry 15 year-olds wanna be offensive" approach hinted above. But something about that particular track name rubbed me wrong. I get that it's conflicted, to say the least, given the band's name.

I don't know why I'm willing to overlook the violence against women thing, but not against the transgendered. Maybe it's because I listened to the new Against Me a lot before I cracked this one open. Like I said, the lines are arbitrary and I don't have a good defense here. But, I'm okay saying that I definitely do not want to hear a song about dismembering the transgendered in my life.

like, Cattle Decapitation and Cock And Ball Torture (.ogg) are great fucken names because they're violent without being openly and brutally callous

lol dude this is a ridiculous standard

people want goregrind that doesn't offend them, like it's ok if it's theoretically offensive but if it genuinely offends then no-go

goregrind does not "punch up"

it descants the insalubrious

I don't see how I could be any more clear about this

essentially tho anything that is a horrific taboo you've gotta imagine will be of thematic interest to taboo-breaking metal outfits

its all part of being "extreme" ro them. If music cant be extreme do it another way. "shock rock" has been around a long time tho.

personally ive no interest in it, not even when i was 15

have you guys heard there's these awful movies where guys in hockey masks basically murder all these teenagers for no reason

So offensive.

To victims of hockey mask murderers of course. And the mother's of hockey mask wearing murderers.

To me it's all fiction. The lyrics that musicians use are no different than the images and themes and dialogue of movies and television. You want to dismember the transgendered? As long as it's a dumb song (or a scene in a dumb movie). Just leave Marissa Martinez alone in real life, okay?

I am more bothered by rape, to be honest, than straight-out violence. Maybe this is because I have known women who were raped who have shared with me stories about how they can't watch rape scenes in movies or TV shows that they actually like because it's personal to them.

I don't know many people who have been tortured and nearly killed who might take some horror movie personally. Maybe if I knew people like that or people who were killed in such a manner that I might feel differently.

I just hate the inconsistencies where one form of abuse or violence is practically sacrosanct in some genres while others are off-limits. I think it's all goofy regardless of whom is being impaled.

in a promo email from Relapse just now:

Recommended If You Like:
My Bloody Valentine, Smashing Pumpkins, Slowdive, Deafheaven, Torche, Jesu, Title Fight, And You Will Know Us By The Trail Of Dead, Hum, Cold Cave, Loop, True Widow

so I guess 2014 is going to be terrible

― joe perry has been dead for years (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Monday, February 10, 2014 7:08 PM (1 week ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

just playing this Nothing album of which aero speaks and it is both really well done and incredibly opportunistic sounding. it also contains nothing I would describe as metal and I'm fairly lax about protecting the borders so to speak

"nothing" in my second sentence was not a pun btw

I think I'm usually able to treat all of the subject matter and lyrics in this type of stuff as "fiction" and approach them the same way as I would horror movies. But I have a hard time when it comes to violence specifically directed at the gay/queer/transgender communitues. I think its a combination of so much irl hatred against these groups in the media right now and the fact the my wife and I do a lot of donating and volunteer work for groups like HRC that it bumps up against some deeply held personal beliefs. I get how it is, let's say, inconsistent, on one hand. But I also don't feel like I'm a hypocrite for deciding that's where I draw the line for myself, personally. It's up to you where you wanna draw that line.

i draw the line in a really different place, but i appreciate your willingness to explain your purchase of that album. i personally can't treat "prostitute disfigurement" as acceptable because even if it were fiction i wouldn't be amused by/interested in/want anything to do with it.

Yeah, I get it, the whole thing has really made me question why I wouldn't and didn't draw the line elsewhere.

Now I do feel weird about throwing my thought process out there.

Anyway, back on topic. This Hail Spirit Noir album is really good, if you don't mind a healthy does of prog mixed in your metal.

yeah i think its pretty tough to tell when that line into being for-real offended is going to be crossed. i never really minded the band name either but i def feel weird about the song title jon mentioned--i guess it sounds explicitly target-y which is maybe the problem.

well, it is in the imperative

i guess it sounds explicitly target-y which is maybe the problem

yeah that's what I was thinking and couldn't quite articulate it. also is it supposed to be a riff on "smear the queer"

(right i mean i recognized i had that visceral rxn to 'dismember the transgendered' and then remembered that one of my favorite pig destroyer songs is about dismembering a woman and had to think a little harder)

goregrind is specifically about vicariously relating to positions of extreme exaggerated power over the helpless - it's a space for that vibe. it's perfectly ok to say "no, fuck that" obviously but drawing the line anywhere once you're ok with a genre that's about identifying with the victimizer (for whatever purpose: and I personally think there's value in an aesthetic space where that sort of identification can take place - this is something I've talked to fellow abuse survivors about, it's a thing for some people & I for one am down) seems so odd to me. rape & kill indiscriminately, that's swell, but don't do it to the transgendered? c'mon. these bands are about imagining the thought processes of people who victimize, period. they're not about striking a vicarious blow for the genuinely helpless. there are no goregrind bands who sing from the POV of the victim.

ty for that post; has helped reconfigure my above revulsion for 'prostitute disfigurement'

yep, i forgot i can count on ilm to tell me when my opinion or thought process is WRONG.

boy howdy, now i can feel okay with a song called "Dismember the Transgender"!

well, or you can ask yourself why "prostitute disfigurement" was cool with you while "dismember the transgender" isn't