Deafheaven

part of loving any art is figuring out whether the people who made it are awful and what that means (what's up tiger lily?). part of the fan experience of this genre is gingerly checking into whether the band is cool with white supremacy and eliminationism which seems a little more specific and on another order.

the thing that's weird to me is that I am pretty confident in my ability to navigate/ignore fascist and racist industrial ppl, but when I approach metal I always feel like I'm going to open a jack-in-the-box full of hatred; part of that is conditioning from childhood but not all of it, and I can't figure out why this is a hurdle I can't navigate here when I can navigate it in other contexts

^^^^^ otm. but only a certain strain of metal, right? not sure where, precisely, to draw the boundary-lines, but i feel like they can be drawn.

this is a q that has been discussed to death on other metal threads and it's kind of a dour unfun q. OTOH as deafheaven are so clearly Stalinists I can see where it pertains

omg they are stalinists?

this aggression will not stand.

yeah i know it has, i just felt like returning to nu ilm by ruining the thread

xp

you fascist goole

nattyfrost

― 1 P.3. Eternal (roxymuzak), Wednesday, February 5, 2014 11:29 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

my god

p sure I read this one interview with one of the dudes from Deafheaven where the interviewer was like "so what's this title Sunbather mean anyway" and the dude was all "oh we called it that because we love Stalin, nbd" and the interviewer was also a Stalinist so they high fived

sick interview

"Sunbather" = we bathe in the never-setting sun of our never-ending empire

I read that one too

goole this thread may be for you What is the most offputting barrier to you listening to and enjoying certain types of music

this is a thread purely about hipster ska-metal

How do you singer-songwriter fans deal with all that Charles Manson shit?

we deal with Charles Manson shits on a shit by shit basis

I don't want no Commies in my car!

No Christians, either!

I think a lot of (though obv not all) the "fascist" imagery in industrial music has more to do with exploring broader ideas of fanaticism & oppression and the people making the music don't actually consider or proclaim themselves fascists. Whereas extreme metal (again, obv not in its entirety) harbors more people who espouse genuinely racist and reactionary and fascist ideas.

obvious pinkos

(not saying that the use of fascist symbols in industrial music is necessarily defensible or that there aren't tons of industrial fans making extremely poor judgment calls)

where's your stats for that crutis?

i counted

i think at the neo-folk end of industrial culture, a lot of the ambiguity falls away

In my experience, as being a fan of both genres, is that the industrial fans are way more likely to be racist/fascist. And then there's Neo-folk...

hah xp

Don't ruin Skanking Gristle for me please

Skank In June

Yeah, it really depends on what subculture you're talking about.. Your average NON fan is probably more reprehensible than your average Burzum fan. I meant the kind of industrial that DJP is talking about, which I gather is closer to the EBM end of the spectrum.

Coil-y weed

Front Line Ska-diddly

Jah Thirlwell

Front 420

Jahnesis P-Orridge

Einsturzende Spliffpuffen

Slayer & Pantera have way more racist fans than Burzum tbh (ie theres millions more fans of those bands whilst every person I know who likes Burzum is not racist or right wing.)

Killing Toke

if ilx is anything to go by even actual nsbm (a tiny small amount of bands with an even smaller amount of fans) have more non-fascist fans. Whether thats because no-one cares about lyrics and its all about the music maaaaaaaaaaan, or not I dunno.

Skankaway Voltaire

Meatlight Manifesto

woah

have you guys seen http://metalalbumswithgooglyeyes.tumblr.com

no and I still haven't

well, you would probably need to know the originals to find it funny I suppose

I group my music by political persuasion, so I have refiled this album alongside Robert Wyatt's.

burn xp

Do you reject Wayne Coyne, and all his works, and all his empty promises?

idk who is even being serious anymore but you could listen to some more records, or you could ask for some recommendations?

― call all destroyer, Tuesday, February 4, 2014 7:28 AM (2 days ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

still catching up with this thread but ^^^^board description

So I'm finally listening to this album all the way through, and it's more varied and engaging that I thought it would be from the one track I sampled before. Huh. I might like this after all.

yeah, and ums' trail of dead comment was pretty otm

feel a little offended on trail of dead's behalf here, they could write a song

Still can!

yeah. I guess this deafheaven album is 4 variations of "It Was There That I Saw You" with shriekier vocals and some slower jangle songs in between.