^ that's the way i feel about these threads recommending other records, none of them stack up (though lots of them are great on their own)
― mizzell, Wednesday, 5 February 2014 16:25 (ten years ago) link
I found the box utterly fascinating, partly from the standpoint of hearing how it was constructed (e.g., "Holy shit, Teo heard that organ chord 15 minutes in and realized, 'Yep, we'll use that for the beginning'!"), and partly because the haunting atmosphere of the finished product is still present (and, at times, overwhelming) on the unedited pieces. The box demystifies and mystifies simultaneously.
― Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Wednesday, 5 February 2014 16:53 (ten years ago) link
Spot on about ´Zawinul´. But what about John Surman´s ´Way Back When´? It´s in the same class as IASW.
― EvR, Wednesday, 5 February 2014 17:01 (ten years ago) link
don't know that one, will investigate
― sXe & the banshees (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 5 February 2014 17:08 (ten years ago) link
The edit of IASW/Shh Peaceful and It's About That Time on Panthalassa is worth checking out.
― MaresNest, Wednesday, 5 February 2014 18:22 (ten years ago) link
Harold Budd's Pavilion of Dreams and Eberhard Weber's The Following Morning both share an IASW-esque nocturnal ambient fusion vibe.
― J. Sam, Wednesday, 5 February 2014 18:37 (ten years ago) link
think i mention this every time IASW sound-alikes come up, but this really is the closest thing i know to ssssh/peaceful:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mv7zSbmQt1o
― Ward Fowler, Wednesday, 5 February 2014 18:46 (ten years ago) link
What about Afternoon of a Georgia Faun, is that relevant here? I've always wanted to hear that based on its title alone
― grape is the flavor of my true love's hair (Jon Lewis), Wednesday, 5 February 2014 19:25 (ten years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BqYkosktnmg
― EvR, Wednesday, 5 February 2014 20:47 (ten years ago) link
it's a great rec, but it's not especially like IASW (guess the closest point of comparison wld be like a less zany art ensemble)
― Ward Fowler, Thursday, 6 February 2014 02:03 (ten years ago) link
Surman is really good, thanks
― lauded at conferences of deluded psychopaths (Sparkle Motion), Thursday, 6 February 2014 02:22 (ten years ago) link
To me Afternoon of a Georgia Faun really sounds like Americans binging on the already emergent Euro improv aesthetic, particularly that of the John Stevens/SME variety.
― Call the Cops, Thursday, 6 February 2014 07:11 (ten years ago) link
Shuggie Otis' Freedom Flight sounds a huge lot like IASW (the quieter sections from side two + a couple bluesy licks, basically)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7rL-pE0xNC4
― cock chirea, Thursday, 6 February 2014 09:32 (ten years ago) link
this been posted yet? apologies if I missed it.
Ray Moore (mixing and editing engineer): The mixing and editing took place between September 22 to October 24, although I did not work on the project exclusively. What was unusual was that Miles came in five times during this period. The first time on September 24. He didn’t say very much, but wanted certain things taken out. He was unhappy with Harvey Brooks’ solos. At one point he said to me, ‘I want all the C’s taken out.’ I looked at him and said, ‘You have to tell me which C’s and how to do it without breaking the phrases.’ He also wanted me to cut the tape at a certain point, and then specified another place where he wanted me to come in again. I said to him, ‘Miles, if you do that, there will be a ¾ measure, instead of 4/4. He looked at me, a bit taken aback, and then said, ‘Cut the fucking tape! Who is going to know?’
http://www.miles-beyond.com/iaswbitchesbrew.htm
― Milton Parker, Tuesday, 18 February 2014 20:28 (ten years ago) link
wow @ teo:
Teo Macero: Miles would record his stuff, and then he’d just leave. He would sometimes say, ‘I like this or that,’ and then I’d say: ‘I’ll listen to it and I’ll put it together. If you like it, fine, if not, we’ll change it.’ So I was the one with the vision. Miles also had a vision, but he wasn’t really a composer, he didn’t compose in an organized way. It was happenstance. He played with these great musicians, and when they had played enough, I was able to cut out the stuff that wasn’t good, and piece something together from the rest. When we began editing In A Silent Way we had two huge stacks of 2” tape, 40-something reels in total. They were recorded over a longer period. It was one of the rare times Miles came to an editing session, because I’d told him, ‘This is a big job, you want to get your ass down here.’ So Miles said, ‘We’ll do it together.’ And we did. We cut things down to 8 ½ minutes on one LP side, and 9 ½ on the other, and then he said to me, “That’s my record.’ I said, ‘Go to hell!’ because it wasn’t enough music for an album. So I ended up creating repeats to make it longer. A lot of the stuff we cut was bullshit, and some of it is put out on this new boxed set. I raised hell at Columbia the other day and told them it was ridiculous they’re putting this bullshit out.
― festival culture (Jordan), Tuesday, 18 February 2014 20:50 (ten years ago) link
lol 'repeats to make it longer' somewhere stanley crouch is just sooooo vindicated, he thinks
― j., Tuesday, 18 February 2014 21:19 (ten years ago) link
brb gonna go remove all the C's from some records
― j., Tuesday, 18 February 2014 21:20 (ten years ago) link
the 18 minute version would probably be amazing.
― festival culture (Jordan), Tuesday, 18 February 2014 21:21 (ten years ago) link
well since the repeats were added it should be easy to recreate
― j., Tuesday, 18 February 2014 21:33 (ten years ago) link
loooool
while we were standing in the hallway John came over and whispered to me, ‘Can I ask you a question? I answered, ‘Sure’. He then said, ‘Herbie, I can’t tell... was that any good what we did? I mean, what did we do? I can’t tell what’s going on!’
― j., Tuesday, 18 February 2014 21:35 (ten years ago) link
In A Short Sweet Way xp
― sleeve, Tuesday, 18 February 2014 21:35 (ten years ago) link
The Down Beat review (by Martin Williams, iirc) took the repetition to be a sloppily-overlooked technical error.
― Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Tuesday, 18 February 2014 21:36 (ten years ago) link
so he noticed that it was verbatim, that's sharp
― j., Tuesday, 18 February 2014 21:38 (ten years ago) link
Gleefully anticipating the Sony Legacy 60th anniversary "Miles' Cut" Silent Way 7" already.
― Call the Cops, Thursday, 20 February 2014 15:50 (ten years ago) link
followed by the box set of bill laswell remix 7"s
― i have the new brutal HOOS if you want it (BIG HOOS aka the steendriver), Thursday, 20 February 2014 19:32 (ten years ago) link
slightly off-topic: Bobby Previte put together an orchestra that plays Miles' electric stuff. A clip:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=PrEwbgzSeog
Miles At The Fillmore - Miles Davis 1970: The Bootleg Series Vol. 3 4CD Box Set To Be Released March 25
― EvR, Saturday, 22 February 2014 19:34 (ten years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PrEwbgzSeog
― EvR, Saturday, 22 February 2014 19:35 (ten years ago) link
so intensely, maniacly focused on such minimal material
jon l otm
― j., Tuesday, 13 May 2014 00:21 (ten years ago) link
and then he said to me, “That’s my record.’
― j., Thursday, 13 November 2014 17:54 (nine years ago) link
^^
― marcos, Thursday, 13 November 2014 18:27 (nine years ago) link
because this record never ever gets old and there are no substitutes for it
― j., Wednesday, February 5, 2014 11:12 AM (9 months ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
^^^
― marcos, Thursday, 13 November 2014 18:28 (nine years ago) link
^^^^
― punk rocketeer (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 13 November 2014 18:39 (nine years ago) link
^^^^x3
― I dunno. (amateurist), Thursday, 13 November 2014 20:47 (nine years ago) link
Not sure it's been mentioned in the thread but there was an excellent article on Stereogum by phil freeman about the best and worst of Miles Davis in which he mentions how part of the album is just the first part repeated - literally replayed. I can get my head around the studio work, but I find the idea of repeating the same section just really hard to parse. What was the decision behind that? How do others justify it?
― joni mitchell jarre (dog latin), Friday, 14 November 2014 14:24 (nine years ago) link
― festival culture (Jordan), Tuesday, 18 February 2014 20:50 (8 months ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― sʌxihɔːl (Ward Fowler), Friday, 14 November 2014 14:26 (nine years ago) link
How do others justify it?
because it sounds fucking amazing!
― marcos, Friday, 14 November 2014 14:34 (nine years ago) link
dl that literally has been known and liner-noted and factoided about this album since forever
justify it? like… what, are you mad about not getting your money's worth? bored that you're hearing the same sounds again? (do you also only play the record once?)
(they're not the same, if you're hearing them repeated - let alone after other sounds intervene)
― j., Friday, 14 November 2014 14:35 (nine years ago) link
The whole repitition thingy makes it all sound very classical. Bach would also always just go back from the beginning.
― Frederik B, Friday, 14 November 2014 14:38 (nine years ago) link
how did bach justify that
― j., Friday, 14 November 2014 14:40 (nine years ago) link
He was paid by the minute.
― Frederik B, Friday, 14 November 2014 14:46 (nine years ago) link
hey hey hey, don't get me wrong - i love it, and there's a strange feeling similar to a 'rewind' in dance music. but shit, i hadn't relaised it was just the first part played over again; I thought they were just playing it very very similarly.
― joni mitchell jarre (dog latin), Friday, 14 November 2014 14:54 (nine years ago) link
hang on, so is it the same or not?
― joni mitchell jarre (dog latin), Friday, 14 November 2014 14:55 (nine years ago) link
also, i mean, if there was so much stuff cut out of it, it surprises me that they'd just repeat a whole part of the record again... but yeah, i didn't know if they altered the repeated part or not - as in you get to the end of Benefit of Mr Kite and it just starts playing the first three songs from Sgt Peppers all over again or whatevs...
― joni mitchell jarre (dog latin), Friday, 14 November 2014 14:58 (nine years ago) link
well if you eat the same breakfast next monday you had this monday, is it the same or not
― j., Friday, 14 November 2014 15:02 (nine years ago) link
i don't throw up last monday's breakfast and eat it again?!
― joni mitchell jarre (dog latin), Friday, 14 November 2014 15:03 (nine years ago) link
what i'm asking is - are the two parts EXACTLY the same or are they different? I've never been able to tell.
― joni mitchell jarre (dog latin), Friday, 14 November 2014 15:04 (nine years ago) link
I think the amazing thing about the record is that Miles had only met John McLaughlin for the first time the evening before, and invited him to the session the next day. Such a chance thing, and yet the music is unimaginable without his contribution.
― mahb, Friday, 14 November 2014 15:04 (nine years ago) link
McLaughlin's playing on those few Miles records is some of the best work he ever did imo.
― my jaw left (Hurting 2), Friday, 14 November 2014 15:08 (nine years ago) link
yea i agree.
i've found it very difficult to get into mahavishnu orchestra. i put on birds of fire here and there but i never make it through.
― marcos, Friday, 14 November 2014 15:10 (nine years ago) link
are the two parts EXACTLY the same or are they different?they're exactly the same
― tylerw, Friday, 14 November 2014 15:17 (nine years ago) link