Deafheaven

Penultimate track on Warpaint is beauty and truth

Is it okay to casually dip into genres outside your main areas of interest without necessarily wanting to become an expert?

no and you are a monster for even considering it

Alcestian Gatekeepers

Oh, look. Another discussion on genre that went nowhere.

Colour me shocked.

PS: I never got my Deafheaven voicemail. The BMers say I'm not BM enough, and the Deafheaveners say I'm not DF enough. Why can't I just be accepted by a group? Why can't I fit in? Argh. I'm going to go read more existiential literature and visit a cemetery now. No, no, FUCK FORGET EVERYTHING FASJFKASFSFS. I'll just wear corpsepaint and scream in the washroom and work on my melodrama.

true kvlt dudes dont use washrooms

watain didnt age all this animal blood for you just so you could go and give yourself a good scrub cmon dude

true kvlt dudes dont use washrooms

― Corpsepaint Counterpaint (jjjusten), Tuesday, February 4, 2014 Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

you might try that Shining album from '06 then

"Trve Kvlts Don't Use Washrooms" - are the RHCP doing crossover BS too?

lol

bing a bing a a bing a bong burzum
gig a gig a gig a gong gorguts

bingo bango bongo his name is...wait, wrong thread

I stumbled across this quote from a user review at Metal Archives that struck me as relevant. It's actually about Agalloch, but says:

"One of black metal’s better points was the way it managed to be both artistic in spite of being thoroughly nonacademic -– it was primal as fuck and rather silly but nevertheless articulate -- and managing to blow off or ignore most of what makes radio music sound like it was poured into a mold before release. But it seems to be a continuing theme, especially recently, that the bands in the “metal scene” most frequently praised for their artistry and creativity are the ones who back away from the murkiness of underground metal and move back towards the mainstream’s idea of what artistic music sounds like."

morbid angel wore boots
death wore boots

― 1 P.3. Eternal (roxymuzak), Monday, 3 February 2014 23:06 (Yesterday) Permalink

as did fairies

it's hardly surprising, i think, that the deafheaven album would be widely loved by people who don't otherwise have much use for extreme metal. it's basically a sugary, shoegazey postrock album (albeit one scarred by black metal shrieking). sugary, shoegazey postrock has, as a subgenre, been well received by indie-friendly pop critics in recent years - and indie-friendly pop critics seem rather to dominate the discourse. that's the context in which sunbather seems to have succeeded. "metal" is relevant only in that the genre's current fashionability perhaps graces deafheaven with backstory and a bit of kvlt glamour. nothing wrong with any of that. the people who love it aren't "getting metal wrong"; they're probably getting shoegazey postrock right (i wouldn't know as i'm not an ardent appreciator, don't love alcest either).

this sort of thing is perennial. an album that hybridizes indie with something a bit more insular & cultish is wildly celebrated by indie fans and (consequently) becomes a hate-magnet for those who wish to distance themselves from what they see as a dilettantish circle-jerk. tbh, from where i sit, the backlash is much more tiresome than the hiveminded rush to embrace that precedes it. so what if sigur ros and smashing pumpkins fans love deafheaven? they should love deafheaven. sunbather was made for them.

my mom likes jesu & alcest, fwiw. i don't think she's arrogantly flaunting her ignorance in calling them better than all the other metal i listen to. she's just talking honestly about what she likes.

think i misspelled vhol up there. vohl. vhol. something like that.

^^ yup. (xpost ... and it's vhol)

cmon

it's VHÖL

</mëtäl>

this band sounds like the appleseed cast

except screamy or whatever

yall wanna ride for that be my guest

Part of what puts me off about this record and this band in general is how "I see what you did there" it is.

xps - i know, siggaroos got a accent too, but i won't be fucked outside BÖC & motörhead. they've earned it.

the backlash is much more tiresome than the hiveminded rush to embrace that precedes it

there was no backlash from me until this album placed in the ILM 77 and I gave it a listen, only to find it rly boring, and even then my backlash was only to say 'this is boring and uses what are imo rly worn-out songwriting tropes & thus i find no appeal in it' - this is the sentiment behind about 99% of the deafheaven backlash - there's a kind of anti-strawman strawman in play here of the tiresome trve kvlt metaller, which iirc nobody on ilx actually is

tell that to all the sacrificed goats in my basement

Imago OTM--it's the equivalent of calling someone who doesn't like Doo-Bop by Miles Davis a Wynton-style genre fascist

Doobopheaven

Doo-Bop fans are above your silly notions of jazz purity. You could really learn something from them.

http://image.lyricspond.com/image/m/artist-miles-davis/album-doo-bop/cd-cover.jpg

omg what is he even wearing

Boots

Inverted cheetah pajama pants.

Also trying to open a can of cat food with his trumpet.

...my backlash was only to say 'this is boring and uses what are imo rly worn-out songwriting tropes & thus i find no appeal in it' - this is the sentiment behind about 99% of the deafheaven backlash

this is a bit disingenuous, i think? speaking not about any individual but rather the "public response", there was a clear initial rush to embrace sunbather followed toward year's end by a lot of grumping. doubt that the latter would have been half so audible had not the former been so widespread. speaking as a grump...

I'm going to listen to Doo-Bop and enjoy myself because I'm open-minded like that. Have fun snapping your fingers solemnly to your Art Blakey first pressings played through your fussy tube amps.

imago -- didn't you gush about a gazillion post-rock bands in the first few years you were an ilxor?

http://img819.imageshack.us/img819/6114/31226125528904124505124.jpg

Counterpoint: they were in Florida. It's really not boot weather about six months of the year. You want as much ventilation as possible.

foxy storage

I'm surprised no one's brought up their defiantly un-BM lyrical subject matter yet.

Held my breath and drove through a maze of wealthy homes. I watched how green the trees were. I watched the steep walkways and the white fences. I gripped the wheel. I sweated against the leather. I watched the dogs twist through the wealthy garden. I watched you lay on a towel in grass that exceeded the height of your legs. I gazed into reflective eyes. I cried against an ocean of light

Crippled by the cushion, I sank into sheets frozen by rose pedal toes. My back shivered for your pressed granite nails. Dishonest and ugly through the space in my teeth. Break bones down to yellow and crush gums into blood. The hardest part for the weak was stroking your fingers with rings full of teeth..

It's 5 A.M...and my heart flourishes at each passing moment

Always and forever

The lyric "Break bones down to yellow and crush gums into blood." from "Sunbather" by Deafheaven has not yet been explained. To explain these lyrics, visit ...

Bones are yellow inside like bananas right?

"I'm surprised no one's brought up their defiantly un-BM lyrical subject matter yet."

The mind boggles at the level of bravery required for such defiance.

imago -- didn't you gush about a gazillion post-rock bands in the first few years you were an ilxor?

― sarahell, Tuesday, February 4, 2014 11:50 PM (7 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

this particular fallacy is called ad hominem btw

it's a Star Trek reference, Dr. "Bones" McCoy usually wore a blue shirt, and Captain Kirk's shirt was yellow, but here they are talking about breaking Dr. McCoy's will and making a coward of him.

there's yellow bone marrow, yes

feel like I'm in a bm band called Cannotgoogleheaven right now

this band sounds like the appleseed cast

― adam, Tuesday, February 4, 2014 6:23 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

fuck man, do not sully the good name of the appleseed cast like this

this particular fallacy is called ad hominem btw

― imago, Wednesday, February 5, 2014 7:59 AM (49 minutes ago) Bookmark

No this is ad hominem. Your teeth are stupid and your hair smells and when you breathe out it smells like mustard

idgi what's the fallacy?