Deafheaven

yeah but they were def metal too imo, they got covered in metal mags

like i said phase 1, metalcore was the smallpox blankets that were handed out to metal natives

as far as indie metal crossovers go, cave in's jupiter was prob the year zero. i recall that album was championed as the ok computer of mathcore at the time, or something along those lines.

i think trv kvltists think they were hardcore bands, to answer your question

But why do people want to put off outsiders?

Seriously, how long have you been a human being? Because this is pretty much most of humanity all of the time.

I just happen to like Liturgy,Deafheaven, WITTR as much as I like Weakling,Darkthrone,Burzum,Ulver,Mayhem,Celtic Frost,Bathory, Venom, Hellhammer or Death SS.

I've got to go sputter for an hour or two brb.

theres tension between metal and outsiders, because outsiders often sweep into the metal world and, believing most metal fans are dumb or w/e, start acting like instant experts of this new thing they've discovered, trampling on and disrepecting people who have spent more than a summer on it, you know?

Also yes, this, thank you.

go read what i said after that in reply to smithy

It reads like damage control.

Trv kvlt, schmv kvlt, I just think the Deafheaven album's kinda drab. Maybe I'd like them live, but it doesn't do much for me on the car stereo. Unlike, say, WITTR, who make a massive sound however suspect their credentials.

I actually think WITTR sound kinda drab on record (live though they're pretty great).

Siegbran, thanks for that Stereogum link, I never look at that site, and that was some of the best music writing I've read in a long time. very impressed. cheers.

agreed, that's a smart and knowledgeable account of the current chessboard

All's I'm saying is all the dudes I know who were into DEP, botch etc back then won't stfu abt black metal now so they are the ones that ruined your party

as far as indie metal crossovers go, cave in's jupiter was prob the year zero. i recall that album was championed as the ok computer of mathcore at the time, or something along those lines.

hah, just about every cave in fan I knew at the time was severely bummed out by the lack of breakdowns and slayer riffs (I thought it was aiight myself)

All's I'm saying is all the dudes I know who were into DEP, botch etc back then won't stfu abt black metal now so they are the ones that ruined your party

yah but as I keep saying people actually are down w/cross-pollination, hybrid shit, fuckin every death metal bro loves Atheist who have fuckin fusion sections in their jams. what people hate about Deafheaven is the hybrid is metal + wack bullshit. "oh they just want it PURE!" is the bogus distraction defense brought by deafheaven fans. DEP et al made some slamming records and are/were great live what's not to like

I saw them last year, and they were... OK. Bits of the set were great, bits were sub-Pelican noodly post-rock. And that's the thing for me, they just weren't interesting enough. I want my BM to sound like machine gun fire in a blizzard, or uber-weird stuff like Urfaust. Not liking Deafhaven has nothing to do with trveness, that's just a blind thrown out by people who imo have never grown out of the playground. "I'm cooler than you" is just stupid childish bullshit.

(Also their singer was dressed all in black and had one leather glove on that he kept on doing Alvin Stardust moves with, but he just looked like Paul Dannan auditioning for the role of Herr Flick in Gary Barlow's 'Allo 'Allo The Musical.)

the glove thing makes it sound kind of amazing!

Now they're stealing from Sean Bonniwell?! HACKS!!!

what people hate about Deafheaven is the hybrid is metal + wack bullshit.

having some nazgul barf his lungs out over your tiresome glazed donut guitar schmaltz doesn't make it metal (or interesting or good).

i dunno, i like it.

i mean, i don't even listen to them to get a metal fix. i don't really care.

i tried & was kinda intrigued at first, but after initial spins couldn't get past the 1st couple tracks (which are decent, okay, fine). i just feel like being pissy because i'm working a 10-hr night shift these days.

i mean, i don't super love agalloch, WITTR, explosions in this guy or even MBV really, so i'm probably not the deafheaven guy.

my favorite metal albums from last year wound up being a lot more metally & energetic as a rule: carcass, vohl, skeletonwitch, revocation, kylesa (downer but heavy & catchy), power trip, that kind of thing. good for driving fast and yelling at trees. or retro groovy stuff like windhand, sabbath & blood ceremony.

outsiders often sweep into the metal world and, believing most metal fans are dumb or w/e, start acting like instant experts of this new thing they've discovered, trampling on and disrepecting people who have spent more than a summer on it, you know?

the thing w/ stuff like this is it's so vague as to be almost meaningless

like I always feel that one person's "acting like instant experts" is someone else's "is really excitable about music and wants to share that with others"

obviously I'm not questioning the existence of obnoxious neophytes

I listened to this band and it just reaffirmed that I find most "post-rock" and music that has a significant element of "post-rock" boring. I'm still unclear on what post-rock is, but I'm going off of what gets identified as of that genre.

*Reads through this thread and notices that there are a lot of Deafheaven haters*

*Calls up all the Deafheaven haters*

*Leaves them each a voicemail where I play the entirety of the Deafheaven album through the phone*

*The Deafheaven haters check their voicemail*

Dang... this is grim. These... these kvlt lords play it trve

*The Deafheaven haters check their voicemail*

NOOOOOOOOOOO!

How should new black metal fans pay appropriate tribute to Americans who got into it 10 years after the fact as opposed to 20 years after the fact?

traditionally, a gift of aluminum

alternately they can just share their stories about their first flaming lips concert

you guys are just mean

What level of enthusiasm for BM are people who haven't listened to a huge amount of it allowed to display? If I quite like the Deafhaven record and A Blaze in the Northern Sky but haven't sat down with a great deal of other records do I just not mention BM?

idk who is even being serious anymore but you could listen to some more records, or you could ask for some recommendations?

"You wanna be a black metal fan? You can't just go buy any album...it's scientific. You gotta buy this...Filosofem...it's the departure point. Listen to it every night around dusk for a month."

"But listen...there's a burden that every real black metal fan's gotta live with, that's the fact that Mayhem, the greatest black metal band of all time, is never gonna play again. You can't live in the past, man"

"Here, take this....it's a Hellhammer cassette, one of the last in existence. I want you to steal a car, get it in and drive west. Play the tape full blast, when the tape ends, get out and get into a fight."

"Here, take this....it's a Hellhammer cassette, one of the last in existence. I want you to steal a car, get it in and drive west. Play the tape full blast, when the tape ends, get out and get into a fight."

I owe you dinner for this one

i saw Mayhem live only a couple of years ago...

I've only played a couple of songs but Deafheaven kind of sounds like The Joy Formidable covering Sigur Ros covering The Foo Fighters while the singer runs barefoot across a floor full of tacks

aka, the Flaming Lips.

dog latin my fact checking dept is off today so i couldn't get them to vet my dumb kids in the hall jokes

ahahaha dan/EZ

he don't use wiki

call all destroyer: didn't want to turn this into a BM recommendation thread.

don't worry about it, DY. You should check this one out

like I always feel that one person's "acting like instant experts" is someone else's "is really excitable about music and wants to share that with others"

― wilful brony (DJ Mencap), Tuesday, February 4, 2014 5:33 AM (5 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

really excited about musician bios and automatically believing that people who know 1000x more than him know way less than him, is my experience of the obnoxious metal neophyte

admittedly my experience is probably colored by my being a woman

i mean, i don't know how that could be "meaningless" unless you just never experience this type of person, which is possible

I honestly can't think of a representative experience I've had that would fit the bill, which I daresay is, accordingly, helped by my being a guy

it may be that I'm really tone-deaf abt this kind of thing idk

iwant to make sure that my important opinions are recorded in this important thread so part 1 i dont give 2 fucks abt genrewhatever in metal or not etc but part 2 this band by the important metric of being any good is total goddamn garbage and i have no idea what people are digging about it.