Deafheaven

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not a reebok in sight

nick cave songtitle shortlist reaches coinflip stage xp

hahaha xp

im not decrying footwear of any type btw, im just disputing the ludicrous assertion that all florida DM dudes wore hi top reeboks!!

naw roxy yr right tho. I am (90s) indie. I dont deny it. Tho after I got into music via Nirvana I got into metal before Indie rock. A few irl ppl think Nirvana/grunge is metal so i'll always be the metal guy to them. Some see me as the stone roses indie fan. On ILM ppl think im the metal guy except the rolling promo thread see me as an indie guy.
But Im 41 and dont care how people see me. I've never been one of the popular people so if you called me a hipster i'd lol in yer face.

I just happen to like Liturgy,Deafheaven, WITTR as much as I like Weakling,Darkthrone,Burzum,Ulver,Mayhem,Celtic Frost,Bathory, Venom, Hellhammer or Death SS. Ans yes I do like Envy/Mono/GYBE/EITS/Mogwai.

If you dont like these bands fair enough but I really do hate the undercurrent of "oooh non-metal ppl like this but hate real metal" that exists.
I happen to like trying to get people to check out metal , yes i know that annoys the likes of sick mouthy or bb or whoever, but its cuz yknow i love music. I like to be introduced to stuff outta my comfort zone. I wish some knowledgeable person into reggae would send me dvds or spotify playlists of the classic old reggae/dub as i only have a handful of cds. Same goes for classical recordings (I have no idea which recordings are the best).

But why do people want to put off outsiders?

actually gonna post that line or 2 on that dumb poll thread

theres tension between metal and outsiders, because outsiders often sweep into the metal world and, believing most metal fans are dumb or w/e, start acting like instant experts of this new thing they've discovered, trampling on and disrepecting people who have spent more than a summer on it, you know?

like imago?

metal is the ft lauderdale of genres

there is nothing wrong with not being a lifer, and metal doesnt nec. belong to anybody, but there's something wrong with someone getting more attention as a groundbreaking artiste because they look like a reg dude who is just colonizing metal for a minute, or because they have an indie looking album cover, or are actually playing flaming lips music with shrieks over top or w/e

jk with that last phrase

^^^rad post

i want the flaming lips to make a metal album now just to annoy everyone

!?!?! dude all those florida death metal bands u worship wore nothing but big ass white reebok hi-top basketball shoes!!!

roxy is otm, this is true now because they're all v. old and comfy. when you are an og death metal dude reeboks count as boots

I just happen to like...Deafheaven...as much as I like ...Celtic Frost...

ok look no accounting for taste or whatever but come on now man get ahold of yourself here

that didn't quite come out as i intended it

it should have been

I just happen to like Liturgy,Deafheaven, WITTR just as I like Weakling,Darkthrone,Burzum,Ulver,Mayhem,Celtic Frost,Bathory, Venom, Hellhammer or Death SS. Ans yes I do like Envy/Mono/GYBE/EITS/Mogwai.

How did trv kvltists feel abt Botch, Dillinger Escape Plan, Converge, etc? Wasn't that phase 1 of indie colonizatuon?

those were hardcore bands tho

yeah but they were def metal too imo, they got covered in metal mags

like i said phase 1, metalcore was the smallpox blankets that were handed out to metal natives

as far as indie metal crossovers go, cave in's jupiter was prob the year zero. i recall that album was championed as the ok computer of mathcore at the time, or something along those lines.

i think trv kvltists think they were hardcore bands, to answer your question

But why do people want to put off outsiders?

Seriously, how long have you been a human being? Because this is pretty much most of humanity all of the time.

I just happen to like Liturgy,Deafheaven, WITTR as much as I like Weakling,Darkthrone,Burzum,Ulver,Mayhem,Celtic Frost,Bathory, Venom, Hellhammer or Death SS.

I've got to go sputter for an hour or two brb.

theres tension between metal and outsiders, because outsiders often sweep into the metal world and, believing most metal fans are dumb or w/e, start acting like instant experts of this new thing they've discovered, trampling on and disrepecting people who have spent more than a summer on it, you know?

Also yes, this, thank you.

go read what i said after that in reply to smithy

It reads like damage control.

Trv kvlt, schmv kvlt, I just think the Deafheaven album's kinda drab. Maybe I'd like them live, but it doesn't do much for me on the car stereo. Unlike, say, WITTR, who make a massive sound however suspect their credentials.

I actually think WITTR sound kinda drab on record (live though they're pretty great).

Siegbran, thanks for that Stereogum link, I never look at that site, and that was some of the best music writing I've read in a long time. very impressed. cheers.

agreed, that's a smart and knowledgeable account of the current chessboard

All's I'm saying is all the dudes I know who were into DEP, botch etc back then won't stfu abt black metal now so they are the ones that ruined your party

as far as indie metal crossovers go, cave in's jupiter was prob the year zero. i recall that album was championed as the ok computer of mathcore at the time, or something along those lines.

hah, just about every cave in fan I knew at the time was severely bummed out by the lack of breakdowns and slayer riffs (I thought it was aiight myself)

All's I'm saying is all the dudes I know who were into DEP, botch etc back then won't stfu abt black metal now so they are the ones that ruined your party

yah but as I keep saying people actually are down w/cross-pollination, hybrid shit, fuckin every death metal bro loves Atheist who have fuckin fusion sections in their jams. what people hate about Deafheaven is the hybrid is metal + wack bullshit. "oh they just want it PURE!" is the bogus distraction defense brought by deafheaven fans. DEP et al made some slamming records and are/were great live what's not to like

I saw them last year, and they were... OK. Bits of the set were great, bits were sub-Pelican noodly post-rock. And that's the thing for me, they just weren't interesting enough. I want my BM to sound like machine gun fire in a blizzard, or uber-weird stuff like Urfaust. Not liking Deafhaven has nothing to do with trveness, that's just a blind thrown out by people who imo have never grown out of the playground. "I'm cooler than you" is just stupid childish bullshit.

(Also their singer was dressed all in black and had one leather glove on that he kept on doing Alvin Stardust moves with, but he just looked like Paul Dannan auditioning for the role of Herr Flick in Gary Barlow's 'Allo 'Allo The Musical.)

the glove thing makes it sound kind of amazing!

Now they're stealing from Sean Bonniwell?! HACKS!!!

what people hate about Deafheaven is the hybrid is metal + wack bullshit.

having some nazgul barf his lungs out over your tiresome glazed donut guitar schmaltz doesn't make it metal (or interesting or good).

i dunno, i like it.

i mean, i don't even listen to them to get a metal fix. i don't really care.

i tried & was kinda intrigued at first, but after initial spins couldn't get past the 1st couple tracks (which are decent, okay, fine). i just feel like being pissy because i'm working a 10-hr night shift these days.

i mean, i don't super love agalloch, WITTR, explosions in this guy or even MBV really, so i'm probably not the deafheaven guy.

my favorite metal albums from last year wound up being a lot more metally & energetic as a rule: carcass, vohl, skeletonwitch, revocation, kylesa (downer but heavy & catchy), power trip, that kind of thing. good for driving fast and yelling at trees. or retro groovy stuff like windhand, sabbath & blood ceremony.

outsiders often sweep into the metal world and, believing most metal fans are dumb or w/e, start acting like instant experts of this new thing they've discovered, trampling on and disrepecting people who have spent more than a summer on it, you know?

the thing w/ stuff like this is it's so vague as to be almost meaningless

like I always feel that one person's "acting like instant experts" is someone else's "is really excitable about music and wants to share that with others"

obviously I'm not questioning the existence of obnoxious neophytes

I listened to this band and it just reaffirmed that I find most "post-rock" and music that has a significant element of "post-rock" boring. I'm still unclear on what post-rock is, but I'm going off of what gets identified as of that genre.

*Reads through this thread and notices that there are a lot of Deafheaven haters*

*Calls up all the Deafheaven haters*

*Leaves them each a voicemail where I play the entirety of the Deafheaven album through the phone*

*The Deafheaven haters check their voicemail*

Dang... this is grim. These... these kvlt lords play it trve

*The Deafheaven haters check their voicemail*

NOOOOOOOOOOO!

How should new black metal fans pay appropriate tribute to Americans who got into it 10 years after the fact as opposed to 20 years after the fact?

traditionally, a gift of aluminum

alternately they can just share their stories about their first flaming lips concert

you guys are just mean