Deafheaven

is there disagreement about whether or not its true metal really? it seems like everyone agrees its not (maybe they/their PR ppl thought they were re: the other album, but about this album theyve mostly said its a departure from metal stuff iirc?), the people who like it and the people who dont alike

― 1 P.3. Eternal (roxymuzak), Monday, February 3, 2014 10:37 PM (10 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

yeah not rly, this is def false metal but some of my favourite music is false metal. the disagreement seems to be whether the false-metalness makes them bad, which I aver it does not - their badness comes from their inability, as i see it, to compose interesting or arresting music

these guys refuse even to wear boots, how can you be metal and not wear boots

never worn shoes or boots in my life. I've worn trainers since I was 11 1/2 and went to secondary school.
(except the boots i wear if its snowing - worn about 3 times in 5 years)

I have short hair too (cut it when I was 23 - I'm 41 now)

I must not be metal. worrashame.

the building midsection of the final track really, really reminds me of a GYBE song. like, really very much so. except GYBE at their best had far more range and far more *hooks*, wd u believe

do you tuck your pants into your tennis shoes y/n xp

AND FUCK RED DOC MARTENS I HATE THOSE MORE THAN ANYTHING

My pants stay under the trousers....

*dramatic pause*

and nothing gets tucked into my socks or trainers

im sorry, but you're indie

btw imago yr pun upthread was magnificent

۩ just went on my favourite IL Xor user list.

roxy i cant be indie i only ever talk about metal here!

i even created a lame sock to do a poll!

I knew it was you!

according to sick mouthy i stomp over threads with big metal boots(lol)

[i was just joshing u]

And trouble deaf heaven with my bootless cries
these guys refuse even to wear boots, how can you be metal and not wear boots

― joe perry has been dead for years (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Monday, February 3, 2014 4:29 PM (27 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

!?!?! dude all those florida death metal bands u worship wore nothing but big ass white reebok hi-top basketball shoes!!!

ronnie van zandt performed barefoot!

as a lesson in the vicissitudes of shakespearean reading this thread is coming through like a champ

this thread has been a wild success.

i've changed my mind deafheaven you have a dumb band name but i wish u many more years of prosperity playing fake black metal and looking like interpol

lol sorry treesh, I don't mean to be too hard on yer lads - I don't regret hearing the album but it & I are attuned 2 difft lodestars

morbid angel wore boots
death wore boots

http://www.wallpaperup.com/uploads/wallpapers/2013/08/30/140338/big_thumb_b13ba5f59d3cd17935a03dc72eb2212c.jpg

not a reebok in sight

nick cave songtitle shortlist reaches coinflip stage xp

hahaha xp

im not decrying footwear of any type btw, im just disputing the ludicrous assertion that all florida DM dudes wore hi top reeboks!!

naw roxy yr right tho. I am (90s) indie. I dont deny it. Tho after I got into music via Nirvana I got into metal before Indie rock. A few irl ppl think Nirvana/grunge is metal so i'll always be the metal guy to them. Some see me as the stone roses indie fan. On ILM ppl think im the metal guy except the rolling promo thread see me as an indie guy.
But Im 41 and dont care how people see me. I've never been one of the popular people so if you called me a hipster i'd lol in yer face.

I just happen to like Liturgy,Deafheaven, WITTR as much as I like Weakling,Darkthrone,Burzum,Ulver,Mayhem,Celtic Frost,Bathory, Venom, Hellhammer or Death SS. Ans yes I do like Envy/Mono/GYBE/EITS/Mogwai.

If you dont like these bands fair enough but I really do hate the undercurrent of "oooh non-metal ppl like this but hate real metal" that exists.
I happen to like trying to get people to check out metal , yes i know that annoys the likes of sick mouthy or bb or whoever, but its cuz yknow i love music. I like to be introduced to stuff outta my comfort zone. I wish some knowledgeable person into reggae would send me dvds or spotify playlists of the classic old reggae/dub as i only have a handful of cds. Same goes for classical recordings (I have no idea which recordings are the best).

But why do people want to put off outsiders?

actually gonna post that line or 2 on that dumb poll thread

theres tension between metal and outsiders, because outsiders often sweep into the metal world and, believing most metal fans are dumb or w/e, start acting like instant experts of this new thing they've discovered, trampling on and disrepecting people who have spent more than a summer on it, you know?

like imago?

metal is the ft lauderdale of genres

there is nothing wrong with not being a lifer, and metal doesnt nec. belong to anybody, but there's something wrong with someone getting more attention as a groundbreaking artiste because they look like a reg dude who is just colonizing metal for a minute, or because they have an indie looking album cover, or are actually playing flaming lips music with shrieks over top or w/e

jk with that last phrase

^^^rad post

i want the flaming lips to make a metal album now just to annoy everyone

!?!?! dude all those florida death metal bands u worship wore nothing but big ass white reebok hi-top basketball shoes!!!

roxy is otm, this is true now because they're all v. old and comfy. when you are an og death metal dude reeboks count as boots

I just happen to like...Deafheaven...as much as I like ...Celtic Frost...

ok look no accounting for taste or whatever but come on now man get ahold of yourself here

that didn't quite come out as i intended it

it should have been

I just happen to like Liturgy,Deafheaven, WITTR just as I like Weakling,Darkthrone,Burzum,Ulver,Mayhem,Celtic Frost,Bathory, Venom, Hellhammer or Death SS. Ans yes I do like Envy/Mono/GYBE/EITS/Mogwai.

How did trv kvltists feel abt Botch, Dillinger Escape Plan, Converge, etc? Wasn't that phase 1 of indie colonizatuon?

those were hardcore bands tho

yeah but they were def metal too imo, they got covered in metal mags

like i said phase 1, metalcore was the smallpox blankets that were handed out to metal natives

as far as indie metal crossovers go, cave in's jupiter was prob the year zero. i recall that album was championed as the ok computer of mathcore at the time, or something along those lines.

i think trv kvltists think they were hardcore bands, to answer your question

But why do people want to put off outsiders?

Seriously, how long have you been a human being? Because this is pretty much most of humanity all of the time.

I just happen to like Liturgy,Deafheaven, WITTR as much as I like Weakling,Darkthrone,Burzum,Ulver,Mayhem,Celtic Frost,Bathory, Venom, Hellhammer or Death SS.

I've got to go sputter for an hour or two brb.

theres tension between metal and outsiders, because outsiders often sweep into the metal world and, believing most metal fans are dumb or w/e, start acting like instant experts of this new thing they've discovered, trampling on and disrepecting people who have spent more than a summer on it, you know?

Also yes, this, thank you.

go read what i said after that in reply to smithy

It reads like damage control.

Trv kvlt, schmv kvlt, I just think the Deafheaven album's kinda drab. Maybe I'd like them live, but it doesn't do much for me on the car stereo. Unlike, say, WITTR, who make a massive sound however suspect their credentials.

I actually think WITTR sound kinda drab on record (live though they're pretty great).

Siegbran, thanks for that Stereogum link, I never look at that site, and that was some of the best music writing I've read in a long time. very impressed. cheers.