they should do jandek
― Mordy , Tuesday, 28 January 2014 16:10 (ten years ago) link
Fruit Covered Nails: A Hipster's Guide to Pavement
― you are kind, I am (waterface), Tuesday, 28 January 2014 16:14 (ten years ago) link
oh please, dude
― Whiney G. Weingarten, Tuesday, January 28, 2014 10:56 AM (19 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
seconded, do fuck off with stuff like this
― wilful brony (DJ Mencap), Tuesday, January 28, 2014 11:09 AM (6 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
Wait--so you both think Pitchfork's 'key demo' really needs another (hideously written) John Fahey primer at this point?
― Jimmywine Dyspeptic, Tuesday, 28 January 2014 16:20 (ten years ago) link
Serious question. Maybe I'm missing something. It doesn't help that Jas0n He!!er is, imo, consistently the weakest Pfork writer by some stretch.
― Jimmywine Dyspeptic, Tuesday, 28 January 2014 16:26 (ten years ago) link
you act as though we're running out of college kids who want to get into shit like john fahey.
― call all destroyer, Tuesday, 28 January 2014 16:29 (ten years ago) link
i don't know, i'm sure that there are plenty of people in the key demo who have no idea who Fahey is. he might not seem obscure to a certain kind of music fan, but he's plenty obscure. i didn't think the write up was that bad, aside from using Sonic Youth and Sufjan in the sub hed and the "steampunk" reference.xp
― tylerw, Tuesday, 28 January 2014 16:30 (ten years ago) link
Compare this piece today with M1ke Powell's piece on new age earlier this week. P0well's piece, which sheds light on a subject that actually didn't have a star-studded documentary released about it last year, was informative, well-written, and managed to shed light on the subject in a way that appealed to both new age newjacks (guilty as charged) and deep diggers (like, who the hell is Enno Valthuys? I don't know, but now I wanna know) alike. This piece on Fahey, otoh, brings absolutely nothing new to the discussion whatsoever.
― Jimmywine Dyspeptic, Tuesday, 28 January 2014 16:51 (ten years ago) link
Why would you think a Fahey primer on Pitchfork would have anything new for "deep diggers" anyway? Same for anything designated as a primer? Just leave it alone, it's for those who need it.
― Murgatroid, Tuesday, 28 January 2014 16:54 (ten years ago) link
#neckbeardproblems
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 28 January 2014 16:55 (ten years ago) link
i just try to imagine myself as a musically curious 15-year-old with this kinda thing -- you gotta find out about it somewhere, right?
― tylerw, Tuesday, 28 January 2014 16:57 (ten years ago) link
they can learn about it on the streets same as i did
― this harmless group of nerds and the women that love them (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 28 January 2014 16:58 (ten years ago) link
those tough suburban street
"pssst, kid, wanna learn about robbie basho?"
― tylerw, Tuesday, 28 January 2014 16:59 (ten years ago) link
lol lagoon
― Ayn Rand Akbar (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 28 January 2014 17:00 (ten years ago) link
Jack Rose is the new meth, kids.
― Murgatroid, Tuesday, 28 January 2014 17:00 (ten years ago) link
― tylerw, Tuesday, January 28, 2014 10:57 AM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
for sure---aside from one or two older buds in HS, and my parents, most of my musical interests were stoked by reading stuff in RS and, for a time, pitchfork. like, for real, discovering p4k as a freshman in college was kind of eye-opening
― gbx, Tuesday, 28 January 2014 17:01 (ten years ago) link
i think i first read about fahey in the spin alternative music guide! i think these starter things are basically pfork's version of that.
― tylerw, Tuesday, 28 January 2014 17:03 (ten years ago) link
Wait--so you both think Pitchfork's 'key demo' really needs another (hideously written) John Fahey primer at this point?― Jimmywine Dyspeptic, Tuesday, January 28, 2014 11:20 AM (39 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― Jimmywine Dyspeptic, Tuesday, January 28, 2014 11:20 AM (39 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
i think Pitchfork's key demo of "twentysomethings who won't laugh out loud at the idea that Perfect Pussy is an intriguing and interesting band" could stand to learn a little something about John Fahey, yes.
― Whiney G. Weingarten, Tuesday, 28 January 2014 17:05 (ten years ago) link
― Jimmywine Dyspeptic, Tuesday, January 28, 2014 4:51 PM (12 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
right, well why not say that in the first place instead of posting something that makes you look like a toffee-nosed Music Scholar dbag
― wilful brony (DJ Mencap), Tuesday, 28 January 2014 17:07 (ten years ago) link
― Whiney G. Weingarten, Tuesday, January 28, 2014 12:05 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
Can't believe I'm saying this, but I think you're underestimating Pitchfork a bit here. A daily (or close enough) reader of Pitchfork is likely aware of the Tompkins Square label, recent Basho reissues, Glenn Jones, etc; the idea that such a person would be ignorant of Fahey - arguably the architect of this entire scene - seems unlikely, no?
― Jimmywine Dyspeptic, Tuesday, 28 January 2014 17:14 (ten years ago) link
I think you're overestimating a daily (or close enough) reader of Pitchfork, there.
― alpine static, Tuesday, 28 January 2014 17:18 (ten years ago) link
Which is not to slag a daily (or close enough) reader of Pitchfork, I just think the world of Fahey and his descendants is not one most Pitchfork readers have already explored on their own. Obviously, some have.
― alpine static, Tuesday, 28 January 2014 17:19 (ten years ago) link
Yeah, gonna go down to the FOXYGEN show and ask some kids about Leo Kottke right now, brb
― Whiney G. Weingarten, Tuesday, 28 January 2014 17:22 (ten years ago) link
leo kottke was a household name for growing up (my mom called him leo cupcake, good joke mom!) but neither of my parents had heard of john fahey when i asked about him a few years ago
― gbx, Tuesday, 28 January 2014 17:26 (ten years ago) link
thanksgiving is a dour affair at the gbx household
― PSY talks The Nut Job (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 28 January 2014 17:27 (ten years ago) link
xp Well, by that logic, how many of those kids are gonna click on the link anyway?
― Jimmywine Dyspeptic, Tuesday, 28 January 2014 17:28 (ten years ago) link
"on their own", JD
That article could be the push they need.
― Murgatroid, Tuesday, 28 January 2014 17:31 (ten years ago) link
can't believe pitchfork is running articles that might have a limited audience now. might have to cancel my Vanity Fair feature on L.I.E.S.
― Whiney G. Weingarten, Tuesday, 28 January 2014 17:31 (ten years ago) link
o shut up
― you are kind, I am (waterface), Tuesday, 28 January 2014 17:33 (ten years ago) link
xp Like, the imaginary Foxygen fan you reference here isn't likely to open Pitchfork today and go "ooh, look, a balding fat guy I've never heard of, let's see what that's all about."
― Jimmywine Dyspeptic, Tuesday, 28 January 2014 17:33 (ten years ago) link
is there a pixies feature today?
― christmas candy bar (al leong), Tuesday, 28 January 2014 17:36 (ten years ago) link
Jimmy, I'm just saying P4k isn't making millions of dollars by catering exclusively to know-it-alls.
― Whiney G. Weingarten, Tuesday, 28 January 2014 17:38 (ten years ago) link
Fair enough. But I maintain that this piece is particularly both gatecrash-y and unnecessary, where other recent primers (like Powell's) are not.
― Jimmywine Dyspeptic, Tuesday, 28 January 2014 17:42 (ten years ago) link
xp yea, but conversely: everyone knows straw men hate nerd shit
― my collages, let me show you them (bernard snowy), Tuesday, 28 January 2014 17:44 (ten years ago) link
do nerd men hate straw shit?
― PSY talks The Nut Job (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 28 January 2014 17:45 (ten years ago) link
shit men hate nerd straw
― Ayn Rand Akbar (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 28 January 2014 17:46 (ten years ago) link
Jimmywine, how do you think people who love music learn about more music? My whole life has essentially been "oh look, here's something that looks intriguing (whether I've heard *of* it or not) presented to me in a place (record store, zine, website, whatever) that already interests me, let's see what it's all about" and then following that as far as I can or until I lose interest or whatever.
― alpine static, Tuesday, 28 January 2014 17:48 (ten years ago) link
uhh, alpine, some of us learn about music in more efficient ways
http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/imagenes_ciencia/artificialhumans26_01.jpg
― Murgatroid, Tuesday, 28 January 2014 17:51 (ten years ago) link
I mean, the Foxygen fan may not click (though that's not exactly a great example), but there seems to me to be an increasing interest in acoustic music thanks to folks like William Tyler, MC Taylor, Dan Bachman, etc., and I'm guessing some of those folks showing increasing interest are young-ish indie-ish ppl who are growing up and checking out new stuff and they see John Fahey on p4k and think "Hmm, yeah, time to dig deeper."
Now, the quality of the piece is a separate discussion. I haven't read it (or the other one you mention).
― alpine static, Tuesday, 28 January 2014 17:52 (ten years ago) link
xpost just yesterday i was wishing i could get my phone and music implanted into my body, like, yesterday.
― alpine static, Tuesday, 28 January 2014 17:53 (ten years ago) link
yesterday yesterday yesterday
Alpine--my point is just that I would assume (maybe incorrectly?) people like yourself would have already heard about Fahey by now. I guess I'm just saying that if today was a person's first exposure to the name "John Fahey," that person is maybe not the eternally curious musical omnivore you describe. I mean - there have been two tribute albums, a documentary, compulsory references in almost every single review of any instrumental guitar of the past ten years, etc.
― Jimmywine Dyspeptic, Tuesday, 28 January 2014 17:55 (ten years ago) link
yeah but dude how many ppl are into instrumental guitar
― gbx, Tuesday, 28 January 2014 17:57 (ten years ago) link
Jimmy, idk if you are trolling or what but there's a huge, huge, huge, huge gap between "being exposed to John Fahey's name at least once in a record review" and "knowing enough about John Fahey's life and discography to fill a primer"
And I'm guessing most indie music fans — and most of ILX — falls in there.
― Whiney G. Weingarten, Tuesday, 28 January 2014 17:58 (ten years ago) link
Fahey seems like a perfect example of the sort of musical name you can see bandied about all the time, and quite possibly hear many descendants of, without actually being familiar with his releases
― wilful brony (DJ Mencap), Tuesday, 28 January 2014 18:02 (ten years ago) link
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=HBECisSkAu4&desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DHBECisSkAu4
― tɹi.ʃɪp (Treeship), Tuesday, 28 January 2014 18:02 (ten years ago) link
xp Revolt of the ILX Brigade: New Post-Fahey Folk For PPL that post in the Takoma & Tompkin's Square Threads
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― Jimmywine Dyspeptic, Tuesday, 28 January 2014 18:04 (ten years ago) link
I think a lot of people have heard of John Fahey
― you are kind, I am (waterface), Tuesday, 28 January 2014 18:09 (ten years ago) link
And have also heard him
no idea who or what that stat is sposed to be refuting but with the best will in the world that thread is (iirc) a small number of unusually clued-in ppl posting dozens of times each
― wilful brony (DJ Mencap), Tuesday, 28 January 2014 18:22 (ten years ago) link