Eno/Byrne's My Life In The Bush Of Ghosts Reissued?

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Fuck, this is good news.

Naive Teen Idol (Naive Teen Idol), Friday, 10 February 2006 23:21 (twenty years ago)

So. So. Excited.

Myke. (Myke Weiskopf), Saturday, 11 February 2006 05:33 (twenty years ago)

what are they changing the cover for?? morans.

weekly handle change (haitch), Saturday, 11 February 2006 05:52 (twenty years ago)

I like the changed cover! You know you're getting the new version.

kit brash (kit brash), Saturday, 11 February 2006 06:47 (twenty years ago)

Agreed on "Regiment," in particular--although discovering the "Music in the World of Islam" album that the vocals were lifted from kinda opened my eyes too.

Douglas (Douglas), Saturday, 11 February 2006 07:39 (twenty years ago)

BTW, get the old versions while you still can -- it appears "Qu'ran" won't be on this one. Verrrrrrry interesting, that...

Naive Teen Idol (Naive Teen Idol), Saturday, 11 February 2006 19:11 (twenty years ago)

As interesting as the other times it's been left off?

kit brash (kit brash), Saturday, 11 February 2006 22:03 (twenty years ago)

It finally occurred to me to slsk "Qu'ran" yesterday, duh, years after selling my original vinyl. Just as good as I remember it being.

pixel farmer (Rock Hardy), Saturday, 11 February 2006 22:58 (twenty years ago)

The album is still no fun to listen to.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Saturday, 11 February 2006 23:53 (twenty years ago)

go put on a late-period Wham record, alfred

there were four non-album tracks on the original bootleg, including the Kuhlman version of 'jezebel spirit' (and I'd be surprised if that track is one of these new tracks). so there's lots of new stuff here, even for those who already have the lo-fidelity bootleg.

milton parker (Jon L), Sunday, 12 February 2006 00:19 (twenty years ago)

Heard this last week. Still prefer The Catherine Wheel and Remain in Light, and, Milton, yes, Wham is more rewarding.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Sunday, 12 February 2006 01:38 (twenty years ago)

As interesting as the other times it's been left off?

Well, I've got both "Q'uran" and "Very, Very Hongro" on my version and it's not like the disc I have is some Holy Grail -- it's just the normal Sire edition. I was wondering if it might've had something to do--oh, I dunno--with the fact that it's 2006, there's a perceived war against Islam going on, and the likes of France and Denmark are being burned to the ground.

The thing about Bush of Ghosts is that it's exactly what the fanboys say it is and what the critics gripe about as well. Which is to say that it's this largely unprecedented fusion of musics and cultures while also being a tinny, unholy mashup that isn't the sum of its parts.

I'd argue that latter part of that probably wasn't intentional--there's no denying it does sound like it was thrown together by a couple of nerdy white guys who know their electronics a hell of a lot better than they do their African music--but the record is more about authenticity than it is authentic. I mean, fuck taking "Music in the World of Islam" or Dunya Yusin without permission -- the whole Bush of Ghosts concept was thieved from Jon Hassell!

Naive Teen Idol (Naive Teen Idol), Sunday, 12 February 2006 07:58 (twenty years ago)

The Eno-Hassell collab made the same year is a much more fruitful listen.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Sunday, 12 February 2006 14:08 (twenty years ago)

WTF are you still doing on this thread? You've now told us you don't like this album, what, eight times in total?

StanM (StanM), Sunday, 12 February 2006 16:33 (twenty years ago)

the whole Bush of Ghosts concept was thieved from Jon Hassell!

Holger Czukay might have something to say about that.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 12 February 2006 16:36 (twenty years ago)

Alfred is looking for the Eno/Byrne's My Life in the Bush of Ghosts Unfortunately Reissued

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Sunday, 12 February 2006 16:40 (twenty years ago)

I like the idea of unfortunately reissued ghosts. You figure they've finally been put to bed via an exorcism and then you're all, "The hell? Back to the tomb, you."

Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 12 February 2006 16:43 (twenty years ago)

there were four non-album tracks on the original bootleg

Talking-heads.net has this info on that bootleg:

My Life in the Bush of Ghosts outtakes (45 min) (CD “Ghosts”)

Interview with Brian Eno - Mea Culpa - Into the Spirit Womb (orig version of “The Jezebel Spirit”) - Regiment - The Friends of Amos Tutuola - America is Waiting - The Carrier - Very Very Hungry - On the Way to Zagora - Les Hommes ne le Sauront Jamais - A Secret Life - Come With Us - Mountain of Needles

But there seems to be yet another version(scroll down) with these extra tracks (was that pink thing the cover of the first edition?) :

- Cunning Tendacy (sic)
- interview
- Iron Bed
- Late But Not Serious
- Lot (= Into the spirit womb = the jezebel spirit original)
- The Carrier (about a minute longer, extra vocals in the middle)

(found these online, so they do exist) - I presume this second one is also a bootleg?

StanM (StanM), Sunday, 12 February 2006 16:55 (twenty years ago)

I adore Bush of Ghosts, but I have a hard time touting its 'historical relevance' - things were definitely done 'first' on that LP, but how many people were listening at the time?

*cough*

I listened to this album over and over when it came out. Now I wouldn't exactly call it horrible, but I don't think it's very good. It mostly is of historical interest, without deserving any lost classic status. Also, I think this was a case where having heard Eno providing background on the source material in an interview contributed a lot to my enthusiasm for the record.

If you want to hear recitation of the Qur'an, it's not hard to find recordings. Putting a lame rhythm track underneath does not improve it (though I am a little sad it is being left off the album under pressure--see the Danish Muhammad Cartoon thread). I prefer solo recitation, rather than the sort of group recitation that appears on the samples on this album. (The latter really seems to be more about communal worship, while the solo recordings tend to have more artistry to them.)

Samira Tewfic is on this too, though I only properly discovered her in 1993/4. Now there's someone who needs to be reissued, seriously.

Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Sunday, 12 February 2006 17:07 (twenty years ago)

The original cover as I saw it (unless this turns out to be a red x or a "FORBIDDEN" sign):

http://kikka.cocolog-nifty.com/blog/images/enobyrne2.jpg

Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Sunday, 12 February 2006 17:09 (twenty years ago)

So the new cover looks like it could be a scrambled version of footage from the same video, judging by the colors, which seems like a pretty good idea for a reissue cover.

Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Sunday, 12 February 2006 17:10 (twenty years ago)

(Setting the Qur'an to music is pretty forbidden. Marcel Khalife was taken to court in Lebanon for setting to music a poem that contained a couple lines from the Qur'an. I think the case what thrown out though. But they do have blasphemy laws there, I believe, or religious offense laws, or something like that. You have to understand, this was a bit of a surprise since Khalife has generally been on good terms with Muslims in Lebanon (and in general) for his pro-Palestinian stance. He was even something of a Hizbollah supporter, though I'm not sure he still is.)

Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Sunday, 12 February 2006 17:32 (twenty years ago)

Other than the first African Head Charge & Kate Bush's The Dreaming, what other records are expicitly responses to/influenced by this?
Got the demos on Canal St back in 85 on cassette, can't wait to hear the reissue.
Qur'an was taken off the record years ago, I doubt current events had anything to do with it.

Nick Holmes (nother), Sunday, 12 February 2006 17:37 (twenty years ago)

i just got a really clean vinyl copy of this for 6.75 yesterday....what a great record....amazing, can't believe it took me so long to hear it.

M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Sunday, 12 February 2006 17:52 (twenty years ago)

what other records are expicitly responses to/influenced by this?

I tend to associate all those evangelist-sampling songs (stuff like Front 242) that were popular a little bit later with this record, not that there is necessarily a direct line of influence. (I'm sure you could find earlier examples.)

Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Sunday, 12 February 2006 17:56 (twenty years ago)

Other than the first African Head Charge & Kate Bush's The Dreaming, what other records are expicitly responses to/influenced by this?

Shocklee/Bomb Squad, mentioned upthread.

Qur'an was taken off the record years ago, I doubt current events had anything to do with it.

Based on looking at Amazon, I believe it was taken off the second edition vinyl issue, put back on the first CD, and taken off again more recently. BTW, here's an odd tidbit for a little perspective, courtesy of an Amazon reviewer:

'I initially heard of it thanks to a recommendation by Pink Floyd's keyboardist Richard Wright, in a 1996 interview given to Record Collector Magazine.
Mr. Wright (who incidentally also thinks highly of Remain in Light) describes his first reaction to the album, presumably on its initial release: "This knocked me sideways when I first heard it--full of drum loops, samples and soundscapes, stuff that we really take for granted now, but which was unheard of in all but the most progressive musical circles at the time."'

Naive Teen Idol (Naive Teen Idol), Sunday, 12 February 2006 18:27 (twenty years ago)

FYI, bootleg comparisons:

cunning tendacy = on the way to zagora
iron bed = the friends of amos tutuola
late but not serious = les homes ne sauront jamais
into the spirit womb = lot = the jezebel spirit (original)

StanM (StanM), Sunday, 12 February 2006 20:24 (twenty years ago)

what other records are explicitly responses to/influenced by this?

For better or worse, Moby's Play.

Deluxe (Damian), Sunday, 12 February 2006 20:28 (twenty years ago)

For those who are interested, I uploaded a bunch of those outtake/bootleg mp3s here: http://s50.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=3GAGWV12F38EN245TKM9RTCZ1F

Naive Teen Idol (Naive Teen Idol), Monday, 13 February 2006 00:10 (twenty years ago)

>the whole Bush of Ghosts concept was thieved from Jon Hassell!

like Ned hinted at, Hassell does not have the copyright on cross-cultural tape collage -- Czukay / Dammers' 'Canaxis' 1968, Richard Maxfield's 'Bacchanale', 1963, and James Tenney's 'Viet Flakes' 1967, all worth mentioning in reviews if you're going to get archival on us -- none of those are pop, though even there there's precedent in Czukay's 'Movies' from 1979.

Hassell overstates his case, he already had amazing solo records out & there's no confusion as to who was doing what, though yeah it would have been great if he'd been in on the sessions for this record.

milton parker (Jon L), Monday, 13 February 2006 00:32 (twenty years ago)

oh yeah, Stockhausen's 'Hymnen' / 'Telemusik' too though I think the above pieces made their point more effectively

milton parker (Jon L), Monday, 13 February 2006 00:41 (twenty years ago)

Thanks Naive, can't wait to hear 'em again.

Nick Holmes (nother), Monday, 13 February 2006 02:53 (twenty years ago)

what other records are expicitly responses to/influenced by this?

Not to be too self-promoting, but I wrote a little bit about this here, although the second installment of the column will really get into the post-Eno/Byrne landscape in greater depth. I note that other posters here have covered some of the same key pieces as well.

Myke. (Myke Weiskopf), Monday, 13 February 2006 05:19 (twenty years ago)

It is my boyfriend's favorite record. I think it's really good too. Boy would it be awkward if you hated your significant other's favorite LP. Anyway, I'm stoked to hear the bonus tracks.

H8erz who bag on this record = teh suq, UR all ghey

Drew Daniel (Drew Daniel), Monday, 13 February 2006 11:52 (twenty years ago)

Boy would it be awkward if you hated your significant other's favorite LP.

My ex-partner, whom I otherwise loved on several zillion counts, absolutely HATED my taste in music. He endlessly mocked my Steve Reich, Cocteau Twins, Kate Bush, and Stina Nordenstam, whom I otherwise need to listen to every day.

Needless to say, I did say ex-partner...

Myke. (Myke Weiskopf), Monday, 13 February 2006 12:14 (twenty years ago)

Thanks for the link Myke, looking forward to part 2.

Nick Holmes (nother), Tuesday, 14 February 2006 19:48 (twenty years ago)

has there been a thread about THE CATHERINE WHEEL yet?

who has the skinny on the re-release?

piscesboy, Tuesday, 14 February 2006 19:59 (twenty years ago)

Since apparently this isn't reissued along with the Talking Heads albums, is it possible they still don't get along? Apparently that is why they didn't work with Eno for the rest of their albums, because the friendship between Byrne and Eno didn't survive the work on this album.

Geir Hongro, Tuesday, 14 February 2006 20:03 (twenty years ago)

I believe it was the fact that the rest of the band didn't take too kindly to the interloper who took not only artistic control but half the writing credits for all the songs on Remain In Light that was the real dealbreaker. But I suppose it's poss. the friendship between Byrne and Eno burned out as well.

Naive Teen Idol (Naive Teen Idol), Tuesday, 14 February 2006 20:44 (twenty years ago)

oops that ysi link is unavailable--can anybody re-do it? I'd love to hear some of those outtakes...

Tyler W (tylerw), Tuesday, 14 February 2006 21:23 (twenty years ago)

here it is again. credits to naive teen idol for the original zip. i added "Cu'ran" to the file.

willem -- (willem), Tuesday, 14 February 2006 22:12 (twenty years ago)

Awesome! Is that the normal "Q'uran" or something different?

Naive Teen Idol (Naive Teen Idol), Tuesday, 14 February 2006 22:17 (twenty years ago)

Thanks for Quran, willem. I was missing that track.

The Ghosts record isn't considered a Talking Heads record, hence no DualDisc, Geir.

The story I'd heard is the one Naive tells, that as Eno became more and more involved with the band - and remember, he'd been around since their first LP - Harrison et al. got sick of being the backup for the Byrne and Eno Show.

Brakhage (brakhage), Tuesday, 14 February 2006 22:27 (twenty years ago)

As far as I know, it is "Qu'ran" as it appeared on this edition of the album (I got it through slsk), making it the "normal" version I guess.

willem -- (willem), Tuesday, 14 February 2006 22:34 (twenty years ago)

Is there an abnormal version too?

StanM (StanM), Tuesday, 14 February 2006 22:36 (twenty years ago)

I don't know, maybe NTI does... Or maybe he was hoping it was a different version :-)

willem -- (willem), Tuesday, 14 February 2006 22:38 (twenty years ago)

He was.

Naive Teen Idol (Naive Teen Idol), Wednesday, 15 February 2006 00:07 (twenty years ago)

From a recent Iranian release (lots of Islamic chanting, though not of the Qur'an, which I don't think would mess with, but it goes into acoustic blues at some point, etc.):

http://s38.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=2WL2GT7XI83EP0KFMOF1N31CKM

Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Wednesday, 15 February 2006 12:16 (twenty years ago)

what other records are expicitly responses to/influenced by this?

Jean Michel Jarre's Zoolook. Honestly.

JimD (JimD), Wednesday, 15 February 2006 12:34 (twenty years ago)

cripes, willem's YSI has expired as well!

Any chance of another re-up, someone? Pretty please?

Jeff W (zebedee), Wednesday, 15 February 2006 13:06 (twenty years ago)

No Dunya Younes albums on Spotify

curmudgeon, Friday, 12 August 2022 15:52 (three years ago)

seven months pass...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KR715ql1-Fk

MaresNest, Friday, 24 March 2023 19:55 (three years ago)

that is awesome

tylerw, Friday, 24 March 2023 20:14 (three years ago)


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