Could the new Liz Phair be any worse

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Most comments in this thread don't even offer an opinion of the album at hand.

It is very Avril-polished-pop, but I think most of it is great polished-pop.

I have a feeling I'm going to spend the rest of the year very alone when it comes to this album.

Catherine (Catherine), Thursday, 1 May 2003 23:14 (twenty-three years ago)

This thread began with a succinct opinion of the album at hand, Catherine. Different than yours, but an opinion. And judging from the opinions by people who have heard it, you are the only one calling it great polished pop.

I fear that calling her album a "fucking turd" has led to some confusion.

Let me go track by track so that everyone has a more clear idea what we're talking about here:

1 - "Exraordinary" - this would be a decent Liz Phair song if it was a recognizable Liz Phair song. But they've rubbed her vulnerable personality (or whatever it was circa 1992-3) into something indistinguishable.
2 - "Scared" - a total Avril ripoff with half the heart and half the chops. Liz Phair is not a singer, and her vocal talents are thin. This is being generous. These songs were not written (er, produced) with her in mind, and this song is a perfect example. It sounds like a song that didn't get accepted for Avril's album.
3 - "Why Can't I" - More egregious filler material in the form of overproduction. The cadence of this song is right off Dawson's Creek. It sounds like product placement.The lyrics are even worse.
4 - "You're In Love With Me" - There's all this space age electronica going on in the background of what once could have been a decent song. Picture a 5th-rate Mirwais at the board with a rack of fake guitars and you get the picture.
5 - "Rock Me" - so clean, so polished, so fucking tuneless. At this point, the producting is outright distracting. The chorus is kinda cool, except for the unbelievably trite lyrics. Dude, she talks about Xbox in this song. What-evah.
6 - "Take A Look" - sounds like a whitechocolatespacegg song. I like this song, actually. An album full of this was what I expected.
7 - "My Mother Is Fine" - a pretty sparse song, considering the company on this album. And actually, it would be great if it was even more sparse. But the piano takes it to Gilmore Girls territory.
8 - "Firewalker" - another decent, more traditional Phair song completely smothered by a thousand cooks and a million dollars in the kitchen.
9 - "My Favorite Underwear" - The lyrics are as bad as you think, and the singsong melody is paired with a generic chorus in a fashion that turns this track into something sensationally nondescript. But hey, if you've got a crap song, throw in some "provocative" lyrics and maybe people won't notice the mediocrity.
10 - "It's a War" - this is kind of a fun rock song, in kind of Styx sort of way--kind of that carnival keyboard deal that really ups the pagentry factor and all. Except that Liz Phair's voice has no business being on this song. The lyrics are a disaster--cloying, cliched, zzzzzzzzzzzz.
11 - "Hot White Cum" - The worst song she's ever committed to tape. Maybe this was funny or affecting when she demoed it, but after they autotuned her and let her play with a metronome (or whomever the studio drummer was) they managed suck every bit of life out of this song. Not that it took much. "Hot White Cum"? How charmingly insightful (and oh so coy!) for a 36 year old.
12 - "Bionic Eyes" - led in yet by another daring space age loop, Liz hooks up her deadpan vox with a vapid bunch of verses. The chorus is decent, but the rest of the song sounds like it was put together by a committee reading an instruction book. Strip this song down and it would sound at home on Whip-Smart.
13 - "Friend of Mine" - Another sort of mature, sweet song that sounds like something left off of whitechocolatespacegg. Second best song on the album, but who the fuck thought some sweeping strings (okay, so it's sythns w/chorus effect) would make this better?
14 - "Let the Night Come" - I swear to you, the multitracked harmonies on this track occasionally recall the Carpenters,except of course that we all know Liz is not Karen nor does she have Karen's alto. But I think Sheryl Crow has a couple songs like this in her catalog that turned out better.

There are two problems with this album, and they are obvious: 1) the songs just aren't all that good and 2) the production does not bring out the best of Liz Phair. Instead, it covers it up.

don weiner, Friday, 2 May 2003 02:40 (twenty-three years ago)

Maybe she will tour with Jewel. Rolling Stones "New Wet Dream Tour"

Jake, Saturday, 3 May 2003 01:13 (twenty-three years ago)

Or "old wet dream," depending on who you ask...

Prude (Prude), Saturday, 3 May 2003 01:34 (twenty-three years ago)

this thread makes me sad

I loved Exile (still do) and think Whip Smart was a smart, strong followup. WCSE was - eh - not bad but nothing to get too excited over but seeing the hate for the new album is depressing. If it is as bad as ppl are syaiing, what the happened to Liz?

Doug Wolk said that this was the biggest betrayal of talent in his indie rock generation --- is the album really that bad?

H (Heruy), Saturday, 3 May 2003 02:12 (twenty-three years ago)

http://www.lizphair.com/images/menu_music.jpg

R.I.P.


Venus Glow (1411), Saturday, 3 May 2003 03:02 (twenty-three years ago)

This does sound truly interesting, and if the next album is her Sister Lovers maybe we'll have nothing to complain about.

Sterling Clover (s_clover), Saturday, 3 May 2003 03:09 (twenty-three years ago)

...yeah she's either smarter or dumber than I thought, but I can't make sense of this.

Aaron A., Saturday, 3 May 2003 03:16 (twenty-three years ago)

Sister Lovers!!!

CBGB/OMFUG T or not, it ain't gonna happen anytime soon.

V

V (1411), Saturday, 3 May 2003 04:07 (twenty-three years ago)

Dammit, where's Camden Joy when we need him the most?

I thought Douglas Wolk was just exaggerating for effect, but he wasn't: this is an artistic betrayal of staggering proportions. Listening to it scares me, because I recognize that voice as superficially belonging to Liz Phair but I can't hear her on this album anywhere. It's Invasion of the Body Snatchers: The Album. And it's not the hi-gloss production or the Matrix songwriting credits that's at fault so much as the lyrics.

Nick Mirov (nick), Saturday, 3 May 2003 05:35 (twenty-three years ago)

"Gimme your hot white cum
Gimme your hot white cum
Gimme your hot white cum
Gimme your hot white cum
Gimme your hot white cum
Gimme your hot white cum
Gimme your hot white cum
Gimme your hot white cum
Your hot white cum"

Sam J. (samjeff), Saturday, 3 May 2003 05:51 (twenty-three years ago)

Gimme your hot white cum

It's sad that Liz has resorted to stealing from Maya Angelou's poetry.

Ernest P. (ernestp), Saturday, 3 May 2003 14:33 (twenty-three years ago)

Are the lyrics all that difft. or just tightened up and brought into absurd relief by the production?

Sterling Clover (s_clover), Saturday, 3 May 2003 15:37 (twenty-three years ago)

It was these few phrases in the song "Rock Me" that truly turned me off to the album, and I may never go back:

"I want to play Xbox on your floor
Say hi to your roommate who's next door
You don't have a dime, but I don't mind
Who gives a damn

Your record collection don't exist
You don't even know who Liz Phair is"

Never thought she was all that great, anyway. Only bought Exile in Guyville when it came out because I didn't know better. I don't feel as betrayed as some of her more rabid fans might, but I know a doublecross when I see one.

paul cox (paul cox), Saturday, 3 May 2003 16:25 (twenty-three years ago)

I swear, it's Lilith Fair Bizzaro Year!

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Saturday, 3 May 2003 16:32 (twenty-three years ago)

All we need is Paula Cole releasing a Randy Travis covers album and my word is complete.

Sterling Clover (s_clover), Saturday, 3 May 2003 19:15 (twenty-three years ago)

FWIW, "Why Can't I" is the official single.

teeny (teeny), Saturday, 3 May 2003 20:14 (twenty-three years ago)

my word is complete

Sterling is the resurrection? Sterling is the life?

Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 3 May 2003 20:28 (twenty-three years ago)

oh my God those lyrics are CLASSIC

I am extraordinary, if you'd ever get to know me

you wait around years for something this awful, thank you thank you Liz Phair

J0hn Darn1elle (J0hn Darn1elle), Saturday, 3 May 2003 21:09 (twenty-three years ago)

I just downloaded "Extrodinary." Listening: I'm alternately confused, ashamed, disgusted, complacent, and hopeful. Hopeful that this song really is all over pop radio. I think the crux is that this is just simply harmless.... whereas Liz used to be harmful. Or at least seemed that way to me in 1993. No falling apart at the seams here.

Does anyone know of a better break up song than "Divorce Song"?
"And it's also true that I lost the map". Amen.

scott m (mcd), Sunday, 4 May 2003 00:13 (twenty-three years ago)

FWIW, Phair has been bragging that some legal loophole allowed her to regain the ownership of the Exile masters and the Girlysound tapes. This being the ten year anniverary of that release and all, she's alleging to do an expanded release late in the year.

-- don weiner

Sorry to say it, but it sounds like another last gasp from an artist in the throes of deep block or "deeply out of wad" syndrome.

Roman (Roman), Sunday, 4 May 2003 00:33 (twenty-three years ago)

Anyway Matos called this years ago:

am I the only one who notices that Pink sounds like Liz Phair on "Get the Party Started"?

and I quite like extraordinary -- certainly more hooky & meandering than Avril &c.

Sterling Clover (s_clover), Monday, 5 May 2003 19:47 (twenty-three years ago)

hooky & meandering

Whoa -- that to my mind spells contradiction. I mean, I like the concept if it happens...

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 5 May 2003 19:52 (twenty-three years ago)

Liz Phairhokey & meandering... never!

V

V (1411), Monday, 5 May 2003 20:29 (twenty-three years ago)

Sterling sometimes I think you toss superlatives into a blender and just type up whatever floats to the top when you hit "stop."

Then again I've been known to do this myself.

I was always told my girls in college that Exile meant a lot to them during their formative years blah blah. Is that true? I remember it being one of the few pieces of indie rock (broadly defined) that was played on the Adult Album Alternative station in Chicago, and I remember thinking it was pretty unexceptional.

amateurist (amateurist), Monday, 5 May 2003 21:36 (twenty-three years ago)

my girls = by girls

But I like the idea of having a squad of girls who had my back in college.

amateurist (amateurist), Monday, 5 May 2003 21:37 (twenty-three years ago)

"You don't even know who Liz Phair is"?!? What the fuck is she now, Ludacris? (pun totally intended)

M Matos (M Matos), Monday, 5 May 2003 22:29 (twenty-three years ago)

Your record collection don't exist
You don't even know who Liz Phair is

this is GREAT!!!

thom west (thom w), Monday, 5 May 2003 22:37 (twenty-three years ago)

coming in the context of everything else that's been said about the record, it just sounds sad

M Matos (M Matos), Monday, 5 May 2003 22:40 (twenty-three years ago)

I have the feeling her lyrics were just as fucked before, but have heightened absurdity because of the strength of the production.

Sterling Clover (s_clover), Tuesday, 6 May 2003 03:01 (twenty-three years ago)

no, they weren't amazing before but they were never this bad..

electric sound of jim (electricsound), Tuesday, 6 May 2003 03:02 (twenty-three years ago)

"Rock Me" is fantastic '95 throwback 70's nostalgia alterna-synth-linklater loveliness

Sterling Clover (s_clover), Tuesday, 6 May 2003 19:07 (twenty-three years ago)

Also U&K for the hatas to go listen to "It's Sweet" RIGHT NOW.

Sterling Clover (s_clover), Tuesday, 13 May 2003 18:07 (twenty-three years ago)

Whoa - I had a dream last night where Liz Phair released a double-CD of amazing music for her "real" fans, right on the heels of "Liz Phair" - which she admitted was just a shallow ploy for airplay.

Sam J. (samjeff), Tuesday, 13 May 2003 18:16 (twenty-three years ago)

According to some people on her mailing list, she does have about an LPs worth of material that's more "traditional Liz Phair" style that she says she may release via a web site.

nickn (nickn), Tuesday, 13 May 2003 20:30 (twenty-three years ago)

two weeks pass...
Um, I'm seriously loving this Liz Phair/Happy Tragic Thing/whatever it's being called now CD, having just gotten it and listened for the first time. I guess it's a drag that she doesn't sound like she used to, but to me the great thing about Liz has always been how proudly pathetic she's seemed. That song on whitechocolatespaceegg where she calls her mom and tells her that this new guy is different and isn't gonna hurt her feelings and stuff, "Divorce Song," "Fuck and Run" -- she always owned up to a whole world of really sad feelings that I wish more songwriters would sing about. So this new one just seems like the application of that pathetic-ness to her sound, which for me totally works. It's like, not only can't she get it together in a relationship, she can't even sell 100,000 records with some serious industry might behind her. What sad, curious drama.

Mikael Wood, Wednesday, 28 May 2003 04:41 (twenty-three years ago)

"the application of that pathetic-ness to her sound" is like the most backhanded compliment I've read all week.

gotta love indie logic.

Sterling Clover (s_clover), Wednesday, 28 May 2003 04:48 (twenty-three years ago)

Yeah, I mean, I'm not saying that Liz hooked up with the Matrix for any reason other than her honest desire to get that "I'm With You" acoustic-guitar timbre. But I also don't really care why she did it, because I think the result — at least on a one-to-one, record-to-listener basis — supersedes whatever her intent was, when considered within the context of her own body of work. In the same way that, say, Milli Vanilli would have gotten way better if they'd released an album of Sinatra duets or something.

Mikael Wood, Wednesday, 28 May 2003 05:12 (twenty-three years ago)

indie logic is almost as good as grad school logic, but not quite. ;-)

tractor & trailer, Wednesday, 28 May 2003 05:43 (twenty-three years ago)

seven years pass...

"Bollywood" likely one of the worst songs I've ever heard by anyone.

http://lizphair.com/

Johnny Fever, Sunday, 4 July 2010 18:58 (fifteen years ago)

AHHHHHHHHHHH EVERY1 HAS TO LISTEN TO THIS

156, Sunday, 4 July 2010 19:28 (fifteen years ago)

I'm finding the '7 years pass...' to be a piquant comment in and of itself.

Matt M., Sunday, 4 July 2010 19:36 (fifteen years ago)

I am one of the only people on earth who liked the single on her last record, but this is an atrocity.

no turkey unless it's a club sandwich (polyphonic), Sunday, 4 July 2010 19:37 (fifteen years ago)

wau

the last air bud (crüt), Sunday, 4 July 2010 19:37 (fifteen years ago)

holy crap

sofatruck, Sunday, 4 July 2010 20:53 (fifteen years ago)

Get a taste of Liz Phair

buzza, Sunday, 4 July 2010 21:14 (fifteen years ago)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yDpUJjVfpOU&feature=player_embedded#!

buzza, Sunday, 4 July 2010 21:17 (fifteen years ago)

This kinda reminds me of "Rico Suave" only not as good.

EZ Snappin, Sunday, 4 July 2010 21:18 (fifteen years ago)

Only Liz Phair would go around and interview people about her own record.

Johnny Fever, Sunday, 4 July 2010 21:24 (fifteen years ago)

o_O

Grisly Addams (WmC), Sunday, 4 July 2010 21:30 (fifteen years ago)

My favorite track from that album is Red Light Fever.

how's life, Saturday, 29 June 2013 11:13 (twelve years ago)

I interviewed her after this album came out and she told me she was just happy to hear her songs played at the gym.

Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 29 June 2013 13:58 (twelve years ago)

three years pass...

actually, Funstyle is great.

he not like the banana (Stevie D(eux)), Wednesday, 17 May 2017 03:07 (nine years ago)


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