Mama Can't Buy You Love: The Official ILM Track-By-Track ELTON JOHN 1978-1988 Listening Thread

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"etude" in this case is "classy-sounding French name" basically. a ribbon on a pig

col, Wednesday, 22 January 2014 14:31 (twelve years ago)

Reg Porks Out

Bryan Fairy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 22 January 2014 14:32 (twelve years ago)

Anyone who makes the case for EJ as a brilliant composer who's hobbled by his lyricists

do people actually make that case? i think elton owes his career to a single lyricist, and that lyricist owes his to elton. without each other, they are basically very good pianist who tosses off perfectly hummable schlock in his sleep and doesn't see the point in waking up, and very strange poet who can write impenetrable schlock about anything. together, they are mozart and hemingway.

fact checking cuz, Wednesday, 22 January 2014 21:30 (twelve years ago)

as for this etude, it would work well on an album called music for bad films.

fact checking cuz, Wednesday, 22 January 2014 21:35 (twelve years ago)

"always John was burdened with Bernie Taupin's opaque and pompous lyrics, the most ambitious of which defy comprehension" Dave Marsh, RS Record Guide

col, Wednesday, 22 January 2014 21:49 (twelve years ago)

"Fanfare"

http://youtu.be/bKBH3f6BSeE

http://richardhallifax.com/elton.jpg

col, Thursday, 23 January 2014 13:52 (twelve years ago)

damn you -- you beat me

Bryan Fairy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 23 January 2014 13:53 (twelve years ago)

wow, that video

col, Thursday, 23 January 2014 13:54 (twelve years ago)

should this be part of "Chloe"? Is it all one suite?

col, Thursday, 23 January 2014 13:54 (twelve years ago)

it's all sweet

Bryan Fairy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 23 January 2014 14:01 (twelve years ago)

in keeping with the Etude that wasn't an etude, we have a Fanfare that's not a fanfare

col, Thursday, 23 January 2014 14:09 (twelve years ago)

"Chloe"

http://youtu.be/kvFP0-7a4BQ

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-0BbgJhOIChY/TYp0F3EZ89I/AAAAAAAAEgs/CYC6W23OIt8/s1600/1981.jpg

Bryan Fairy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 24 January 2014 16:06 (twelve years ago)

second US single

The electric piano and "sensitive" guitar licks and chorus harmonies intended to tug listeners' memories of "classic" Elton.

Bryan Fairy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 24 January 2014 16:08 (twelve years ago)

what's going on with this record? After three Mantovani-esque "preludes," we get a half-cooked thing that the 1970 Elton would've left on the stove.

col, Friday, 24 January 2014 16:21 (twelve years ago)

"Heels of the Wind"

http://youtu.be/bzWJpP1ry4Q

http://static1.imagecollect.com/preview/560/4a826556c697448

Bryan Fairy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 25 January 2014 13:14 (twelve years ago)

FINALLY A HOOK

Bryan Fairy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 25 January 2014 13:14 (twelve years ago)

it's as if he was being taxed on them

this is okay! i like the organ riff, and there's even a decent bridge. this would've been a better single than any of the actual ones ("Chloe," "Nobody Wins" "Belgium")

col, Saturday, 25 January 2014 13:48 (twelve years ago)

and a classic terrible Bernie Taupin title metaphor to boot

Bryan Fairy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 25 January 2014 13:51 (twelve years ago)

i think this was an Osbourne lyric--homage to the master. video compounds the mess by having Elton in a "traveling salesman/farmer's daughter" scenario

col, Saturday, 25 January 2014 14:05 (twelve years ago)

If the melody were less treacly, I'd consider it one of his best (and least known) songs. Still, it works. Tom Robinson wrote the lyric.

Bryan Fairy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 26 January 2014 13:49 (twelve years ago)

EJ: "I'm searching for a hit. At that point, with the record companies, you had to have a hit. And The Fox didn't really have a hit. It was the first album I made for Geffen; it wasn't a success. I was in good company – David Geffen also signed John Lennon and his record was a stiff until, unfortunately, he was shot, then it made the charts. It was a big slap in the face for me. Again, a lot of drugs involved, but "Elton's Song" is so beautiful, and Tom Robinson's lyric is so beautiful. It reminded me of the film If . . . ., by Lindsay Anderson. It was very homoerotic. I could imagine the boy that I wanted to be, on the parallel bars, swinging with his tight little outfit on and his bare feet. It was the first gay song that I actually recorded as a homosexual song. Rather than "All the Girls Love Alice," it was the first boy-on-boy song I wrote – because Tom, of course, is a gay man, and we became great friends."

col, Sunday, 26 January 2014 13:51 (twelve years ago)

wrapping up yet another one:

"The Fox"

http://youtu.be/216IkUaiGtw

http://eil.com/images/main/Elton%2BJohn%2B-%2BThe%2BFox%2B-%2BT-SHIRT-273012.jpg

col, Monday, 27 January 2014 15:13 (twelve years ago)

B-sides next! We can bundle those too.

Bryan Fairy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 27 January 2014 15:13 (twelve years ago)

The title and conceit demand a less, er, enervated treatment.

Bryan Fairy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 27 January 2014 15:16 (twelve years ago)

from the EJ bio: "Geffen had asked Elton to think of a name for the album. The musician thought of the fox, an animal whose cunning seemed a symbol of the way he had conducted his own life...Elton asked Bernie to write lyrics for a song named after the crafty mammal, and Bernie obliged"

col, Monday, 27 January 2014 15:16 (twelve years ago)

internal Geffen memo, summer '81: "Seriously, the fucking "Fox"? Well, maybe the Neil Young tapes will be better."

col, Monday, 27 January 2014 15:17 (twelve years ago)

"Fools in Fashion" (b-side to "Nobody Wins")

http://youtu.be/dR5CbSWYGAQ

Bryan Fairy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 28 January 2014 14:29 (twelve years ago)

Elton attempting Boz Scaggs??

Also: bongos! that bass!

Bryan Fairy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 28 January 2014 14:29 (twelve years ago)

gotta go to the dentist now but so happy some "Fox" B-sides are awaiting me, post-novocaine

col, Tuesday, 28 January 2014 15:29 (twelve years ago)

wow, this one's something. Yeah, what's with the bass? It's like elton did a scratch vocal while they were trying to mike the bass properly, then figured they'd keep it. Still, better than the symphonic mush-sequence of Side 2

col, Tuesday, 28 January 2014 19:45 (twelve years ago)

the rest of the Fox-lets

"Can't Get Over Losing You"

http://youtu.be/p9PeRq2kfeM

&

"Tortured"

http://youtu.be/heGV7dw7ASo

http://images.45cat.com/elton-john-tortured-geffen.jpg

col, Wednesday, 29 January 2014 14:35 (twelve years ago)

"Can't Get Over": contractually-required "country" song from the session

"Tortured": verse is lovely, promises a much; overstuffed chorus doesn't quite deliver

col, Wednesday, 29 January 2014 14:37 (twelve years ago)

"Dear John"

http://youtu.be/X_0xeHahEZU

http://www.musicko.com/wp-content/uploads/Elton-John-Jump-Up-300x300.jpg

such a lol-eighties sleeve. Shoulder pads!

Bryan Fairy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 30 January 2014 14:18 (twelve years ago)

so we're at Jump Up!, the beginning of his commercial resurgence. Critical too. Christgau!

You say you don't care that it's his best album in seven years? I swear, you young people have no respect. This little guy was a giant, helped keep us sane back then, and though it's true he hasn't come up with a "Honky Cat" or "Bennie and the Jets" ("I Am Your Robot" might qualify if there were still AM radio), it's gratifying enough that after all these faithful years he's started to get good songs out of Gary Osborne (gunning for a Frank Sinatra cover on "Blue Eyes") as well as Bernie Taupin (who really shouldn't ever write about politics). B

Bryan Fairy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 30 January 2014 14:21 (twelve years ago)

For some reason I thought all the big '80s hits were on Too Low for Zero, and had written this one off as another dud. But no, the reconquest starts now!

A bit weird that the same album w/a big maudlin John Lennon tribute starts with a zippy piss-off song called "Dear John"

col, Thursday, 30 January 2014 14:30 (twelve years ago)

I'm halfway through the album and, yeah, the enthusiasm is obvious.

Bryan Fairy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 30 January 2014 14:32 (twelve years ago)

"Spiteful Child"

http://youtu.be/VjMDIGnS0cg

http://www.coverdude.com/covers/elton-john-jump-up-1982-inside-cover-55926.jpg

Bryan Fairy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 31 January 2014 12:07 (twelve years ago)

Another uncluttered production on an okay song. So far Jump Up! makes good on title.

Bryan Fairy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 31 January 2014 12:12 (twelve years ago)

Yeah, something seems to have woken up EJ here. Jeff Porcaro's drumming? A better grade of coke in '82? Album was recorded in Montserrat "with breaks for Elton's tennis matches in nearby Antigua," so maybe he was feeling more fit.

col, Friday, 31 January 2014 16:01 (twelve years ago)

I love this one: Elton channeling Lindsey Buckingham, doing a song seemingly written for Juice Newton

col, Saturday, 1 February 2014 13:39 (twelve years ago)

Pete Townshend on acoustic.

Bryan Fairy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 1 February 2014 13:41 (twelve years ago)

and, yeah, this is brisk, playful, and energetic: the best of the album tracks to date, and better than every single I've heard.

Bryan Fairy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 1 February 2014 13:46 (twelve years ago)

So far Jump Up! has been the big surprise of this survey---I might pick it up when I see it in the $2 LP bin (it's been there often)

col, Saturday, 1 February 2014 14:25 (twelve years ago)

Bernie disagrees:

In a 2010 Sirius radio special, John's lyricist, Bernie Taupin, called Jump Up! "one of our worst albums," adding "it's a terrible, awful, disposable album, but it had 'Empty Garden' on it, so it's worth it for that one song.

Bryan Fairy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 1 February 2014 14:34 (twelve years ago)

"Legal Boys"

http://youtu.be/GAQYoWzTnow

http://bootlegdownloads.files.wordpress.com/2012/01/ejg.jpg

col, Sunday, 2 February 2014 14:08 (twelve years ago)

contender for "most misleading title in Elton John catalog" award

col, Sunday, 2 February 2014 14:08 (twelve years ago)

Another not bad song, and brief. Even the Taupin lyric is coherent.

Bryan Fairy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 2 February 2014 15:00 (twelve years ago)

de-lurking again to say col is completely otm about the lindsey buckingham-ness of "ball and chain." but that brief modulation in the middle -- he goes up a full step for a verse and then, as if thinking better of the idea, suddenly modulates back down -- is bizarre, and it sounds like he never quite figured out how to sing through those changes, especially the downward one.

i like the matter-of-fact rawness of "legal boys" but having a hard time wrapping my head around the music. it seems stitched together.

fact checking cuz, Sunday, 2 February 2014 16:19 (twelve years ago)


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