Revolt of the ILX Brigade: New Post-Fahey Folk For PPL that post in the Takoma & Tompkin's Square Threads

oh and hey i missed this post
Oh, btw Tyler, can get you a copy of the Bowles/Verrastro duo set from here in Charlottesville if you want it. Let me know how to get it to you (can put it up on soundcloud for a day or two or something ....)
but yeah, would like to hear! email is tywilc AT gmail.com

i liked the Fate is Only Twice cover by Harry Taussig (which i guess i'm throwing in the same camp as a long return of a cult player) because it had a nice simple old school vibe to it

Whoa, got some responses to lay out here.

Tyler: in re turnouts in Charlottesville, it is case by case. 20 folks is common, and usually these folks (Glenn Jones, D. Bachman) get between 15-50 depending on the night, hopefully closer to 50 but it is really erratic. You and I have gone back and forth on this before, in that Charlottesville (and Denver) should be places where the general enthusiasm for rootsy/acoustic/old-time/etc. stuff you would think would cross over more to these folks, but it hasn't seemed to so far. Also strange that there aren't more folks just into the weirdo/improv/psych scenes that these folks generally draw their fans from, but there is at least a small and committed crew that thends to ensure that someone is there for every show. D. Bachman seems to have a few more folks at each show though, he may just break through to some relatively larger audience, but I don't know that that would mean much more than consistently getting 40-50 people there (he is from Virginia as well, so some of these folks may be coming because he grew up not too far from Charlottesville). I opened for him last time he came through and managed to bum several folks out, which was a little weird/too bad, as I didn't mean to, but I am used to only "heads" showing up who are generally up for anything, but there were some acoustic enthusiasts there who did not want to experience guitar feedback of any kind. Daniel got pissed at them though, which was nice of him.

P.S. I will hit you up with that Bowles/Verrastro set, think I will load it into my soundcloud page so you can download it there if that's cool, will email you.

Sleeve: Yeah, Twisted Branch Tea Bazaar tends to have all of these kinds of shows for the most part, but there is a house that has been putting on some really good shows lately as well. The Bowles/Verrastro show was there and sounded amazing, it's an old house that for some reason has great acoustics/sound in the room the bands play in.

Also, I should be in Charlottesville for those dates unless something comes up, so yeah I would be happy to meet up and get a beer or something. There may even be a decent show during that stretch though nothing seems to be booked yet. I imagine a lot of shows will be getting set up/booked in the next couple of weeks. You can email me at davis.salisbury AT gmail and we can set something up.

cool I will hit you up, would love to see a show there - I just missed Michael Hurley last time.

I opened for him last time he came through and managed to bum several folks out, which was a little weird/too bad, as I didn't mean to, but I am used to only "heads" showing up who are generally up for anything, but there were some acoustic enthusiasts there who did not want to experience guitar feedback of any kind. Daniel got pissed at them though, which was nice of him.

this is hilarious and speaks well of Bachman imo, any dude who wears a Feeding Tube Records t-shirt is OK by me.

haha, yeah, i mean, obviously a guy like Bachman has to court the folkie/kottke-heads to some extent, but it's clear his tastes kinda lean in a more experimental direction.

these guys never come to the west coast unfortunately. which is why i'm psyched to see cian nugent in a couple months, even though the venue isn't the best. one of the good things about potentially moving east is seeing shows like this more often.

what's up with people still getting bent out of shape because every "folk" act isn't exactly like they expect it to be? geez. not in the spirit of folk music imo.

It wasn't hilarious at the time, an older guy asked for his money back, which I actually felt badly for! But yeah Daniel wasn't fazed or worried that he was alienating the base so to speak, which is again very cool of him. He seems to have a pretty healthy outlook on the career thing, i.e., I don't think he is trying to get as big as he possibly can, I think he just wants to see how far he can take his playing before burning out on the touring thing, which is about the only sane approach to take.

Sleeve, I saw Michael Hurley at the old Prism Coffee House space, but that would have been 1999/2000 or something. Are you going back that far or did I miss him coming back to town somehow?

yeah honestly i'm trying to do shows now and if you could almost design a type of music to be difficult to book, it's like i'm not really cool or "experimental" (whatever that means in 2014) to play the art spaces/house venues but it's too "weird" or at least not objectively fun enough or have really majorly meaninful lyrics about the hard tymes of life for the nu-folk dudes around down that have cool pompadours and wear motorcycle boots with cuffed jeans :/

all my friends play in punk/postpunk/underground bands or w/e

never understood asking for money back at a show or a movie tbh, seems rude. you're paying for an experience and if you don't like it...well it happens. that's a more general complaint extending into areas beyond post-fahey folk though.

it is totally rude! i think the problem is with them, not you. i mean obviously right?

you are all betrayers of true folk imo

i've never asked for money back at a movie, even 'wing commander' starring matthew lillard.

which is not folky at all but still, it was cool

i dealt

Sleeve, I saw Michael Hurley at the old Prism Coffee House space, but that would have been 1999/2000 or something. Are you going back that far or did I miss him coming back to town somehow?

hmmm I thought there was a more recent one! I could be wrong but I am pretty sure it was at the downtown teahouse, not Prism. when you say "old", do you mean "defunct"?

xp it is crazy, i mean, how much did the bachman show cost -- $5?

Let's be clear here, I was not playing folk, which I think is what the problem was. I am very squarely in minimal electric psych/improv territory, mixed in with some playing that is a little folky here and there, so if you showed up to a show expecting acoustic guitars/banjos and then had to watch some dude bow a lapsteel and coax feedback from an amp then you maybe would have a case for "not signing up for this shit" syndrome. Still, if they had walked outside for 15 minutes and then come back they would have enjoyed two absolutely great and painless acoustic sets and could have just chalked it up to the opener being shitty/not their thing.

Cost was $7 I think.

Sleeve, I lived in NYC for a while, so he may have played here during that stretch and I would have had no idea. The Prism closed a while ago, but apparently some folks are trying to revive it at a downtown location.

1) honestly dealt w/it

2) "I want my money back because I did not enjoy the music of an opening act who 1 hour ago I had no idea even who it even was and I still got to see Daniel Bachman for $7 and now I'm mad" GTFO

UMS, I hope setting up shows gets easier for you. In my town, which is small, you just make do. You would fit in with plenty of stuff coming through, but that middle-ground is hard in some towns. Honestly there were a ton of years where I played with either spazzy/superloud/aggro/weird rock bands or noise folks, and neither was exactly perfect (though I am into all of those things), but there just weren't many people coming through town that ever made perfect sense. Right now just seems to be a relatively good time in regards to a pretty broad range of stuff being in the wheelhouse. If you ever want to come to Charlottesville I can set up a show for you!

::puffs on pipe:: ironic how pre-fahey the notions of 'folk music' being bandied around on this thread are ::rocks on chair::

Hah I don't like using the word generally, but I think I was attempting to channel the audience somewhat. Really "acoustic enthusiasts" was a catchall I am more comfortable with. In regards to my own playing I hate to this day telling people what the hell I do, but "folk" would not be a word I would associate with it generally.

Ogmor, I like this "puffs on pipe/rocks on chair" commentary!

Fuck man I am loving the hell out of that Bruce Langhorne "The Hired Hand" soundtrack, thanks for throwing that up here.

listening to Brendan Canning (broken social scene dude), the album You Gots 2 Chill which I avoided because of the title and this is an ok indie record but it making that Ten Best American Primitive Releases of 2013 is S T U P I D especially because as I noted Glenn Jones didn't make it </endrant>

the first song (titled Post Fahey teehee) fits this thread but come the fuck on

in better news that Head of Wantasiquet record is AMAZING, love it

Funny, just had a friend post that list a couple of days ago and make the same exact complaint in re no Glenn Jones. I have never listened to Broken Social Scene.

Lots of cosigns for that Head of Wantastiquet record, gotta track it down it looks like.

I pulled out some records I hadn't listened to in a while last night and fell for the Chasny-related August Born record all over again. It's a collaboration between Chasny and Hiroyuki Usui (Fushitshusha and other Japanese groups I imagine) that came out around School of the Flower. Really nails a downer, sad vibe well. Has some really pretty, minimal Chasny playing, plus Usui doing all kinds of cool shit all over it, for those who haven't gone down this particular Chasny-path (I had forgotten this record completely). One of my favorite tunes:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2MuBN1cMMS8

I lost track of this thread and need to catch up, but I finally recorded another song!

Please let me know what you think:

https://soundcloud.com/factual-1/kozy

wow that's awesome evan....
are you using a nylon string guitar?

one small bit of (constructive feedback) - this sounds great but on headphones it felt kinda unbalanced stereo-wise, like everything felt like it was panned right a bit?

that August Born record is lovely, for some reason it eludes my memory too but when I come across it every couple of years and give it a listen it's always a very nice surprise. Usui also has a beautiful avant-blues album called Holy Letters under the name 'L'.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=087ka2YFsxM

Thanks ums!! It's actually an electric. Oh the tuning by the way is DGDGbBE with a capo at the 3rd fret.

Yeah, I don't get why it's doing that. It's through GarageBand with an m-box and I couldn't figure out why it was all on the right. Maybe I added an effect that messed it up by mistake.

yeah maybe like a stereo reverb plugin had a pan setting?

Yeah I think that's it. Gotta tinker some more

I want to grab that L/"Holy Letters" record at some point, really enjoy the feel of that stuff. Listened to that August Born about 5 times over the weekend. Good record to live in for a while.

Like that recording a lot Evan, some very nice playing on there.

Thank you! Been working at the finger picking. Still only have two fingers going at the moment. Will record another- maybe today?

Hey guys! going to Califone/William Tyler tonight! Haven't been to a non local show in awhile, very excited for Tyler... is Califone cool live?

Oh man what a great show! Haven't seen Califone myself but would LOVE to.

i saw califone eons ago, at ATP in los angeles. i thought they were great!

Late pass needed here, but goddamn is this Chris Forsyth record something! This is incredibly reductive here, but I've always wanted a record that was like just Jerry Garcia's sublime noodling without his voice or anything else and this kinda gets close! Just love this sound so much.

It really is a great record jon/via/chi, so much guitar territory covered and truly a world of sound in there. I think I like the songs even better live, and the full band is going on tour very soon. I know they are playing here in Charlottesville, VA, on Feb. 15th. I have only seen them live once, but it was really good. I am sure they are even better/tighter by now. If your display name is referencing Chicago they are definitely playing there:

CHRIS FORSYTH & THE SOLAR MOTEL BAND

2/15 Charlottesville, VA @ Tea Bazaar
2/16 Durham, NC @ The Pinhook w/ Daniel Bachman
2/17 Asheville, NC @ The Mothlight w/ Greg Cartwright
2/18 Nashville, NC @ The Stone Fox w/ William Tyler
2/19 Louisville, KY @ Dreamland Film Center
2/20 Columbus, OH @ Bourbon St
2/21 Milwaukee, WI @ Cactus Club w/ Mind Over Mirrors
2/23 Chicago, IL @ The Empty Bottle w/ Doug McCombs & Mind Over Mirrors
2/24 Cleveland, OH @ Mahall's

I assume the Greg Cartwright from 2/17 is the GC from Oblivians/Reigning Sound, which is a cool pairing for a bill.

That is a cool pairing! I'm going to have to see if there are tickets for that Empty Bottle show left, thanks for the heads up!

maybe tyler will jam out over some tortoise songs!

Went to Califone/Tyler last night...COLD AS FUCK OUT like -10 below F I think William was a little thrown by it he said something about how thanks for so many ppl coming out Nashville would be shut down...

he played about the same set as when I saw him earlier in the year, no new material...was great. though honestly he did seem a bit stiff for the first half but man i wonder if it was just the cold, the Cedar Cultural Center is a really drafty old building...but second half really took off starting with an acoustic set of Behold the Spirit stuff...said his uncle gave him his guitar, which was falling apart and said he could have it if he got it fixed, it's a 50s Martin...

Califone was great! 2 drummers playing minimal kits....lead singer mostly on acoustic & some keyboards, other main dude played keyboards, pedals, drum machines, bass, electric guitar, etc etc.....they play so well together...seems like Wilco kinda stole their shit with Yankee Hotel Foxtrot.....anyway, just really cool shifting arragements and very rhythmic....songs would emerge and fade out these long pretty electronic drones....very excellent show. came more for Tyler, who was good but I think Califone made more of an impression that night.

also i've been listening to their records on spotify this week and i definitely loved them way more live than on the records (which i do think are good)

Sure thing Jon, I for one am excited to see this band in a small club, as the only time I saw them was at an outdoor day show, which was very very cool but I have a feeling being in a small room fully immersed in the sound is going to be the way to check this band out. They have new tunes apparently as well. Maybe they'll even throw in a Television cover here and there.

Glad that show was good UMS, still haven't seen W. Tyler but Califone was pretty good the one time I saw them. I liked that utility dude the best, he played some very cool stuff throughout the show. I am sure it would be tough to play the fluid shit W. Tyler does when it is that cold out, sheesh that sounds tough as hell if the room is drafty and the outside is brutal.