Mama Can't Buy You Love: The Official ILM Track-By-Track ELTON JOHN 1978-1988 Listening Thread

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lyrics by Tom Robinson!

col, Tuesday, 7 January 2014 14:06 (ten years ago) link

The second single.

A crowded arrangement: high synth, rhythm guitar strums, backing vocals, piano, all on the chorus.

the objections to Drake from non-REAL HIPHOP people (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 7 January 2014 14:19 (ten years ago) link

Only clicking on this thread sporadically to see if you've got to Passengers yet. One of the worst singles of the 80s.

Deafening silence (DL), Tuesday, 7 January 2014 14:21 (ten years ago) link

and a top five in England. How odd.

the objections to Drake from non-REAL HIPHOP people (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 7 January 2014 14:23 (ten years ago) link

When I was 10. It's one of the few songs I distinctly remember hating at that age. Looking at the lyrics now, it seems to be a protest song but about what I'm not exactly clear.

Deafening silence (DL), Tuesday, 7 January 2014 14:24 (ten years ago) link

apparently cracked the US top 40 too, but I don't recall hearing it

col, Tuesday, 7 January 2014 14:39 (ten years ago) link

Figured I'd jump in to remind ya'll this one ("Sartorial Eloquence") features among the many voices on the chorus ilm's favorite douchecanoe harmony duo...

DON: After years of being fans, it was an honor to actually take part in a session with our friend Elton during one of his lowest periods, both personally and creatively. I honestly feel our Eagle harmony magic elevated his song right where it was needed most.

GLENN: Speaking of being elevated, I think between us Don & I lost a whole pack of cough drops in the, er, echo chambers that night.

DON: Well, yeah.

Maintenance Engineer of Foolhardiness (C. Grisso/McCain), Wednesday, 8 January 2014 03:26 (ten years ago) link

Congrats. You've mastered the Henley sincerity.

the objections to Drake from non-REAL HIPHOP people (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 8 January 2014 03:30 (ten years ago) link

was this album some kind of make-work program for underemployed session musicians? There's like 50 people on this track, including a prominent cowbeller.

abt 3 minutes in, I realized "2 Rooms" was just going to be the same tune-lite verse-refrain repeated over and over again, and resigned myself to it, and suddenly it became a Chicago record for a bit.

col, Wednesday, 8 January 2014 14:44 (ten years ago) link

That's the problem with the album (so far): not bad melodies smothered by desperate arrangements.

the objections to Drake from non-REAL HIPHOP people (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 8 January 2014 14:50 (ten years ago) link

ode to a muse:

"White Lady White Powder"

studio version not on YT (it's on Grooveshark/Spotify) but here's the live version from Central Park '80:

http://youtu.be/7BbismoORP0

http://eil.com/images/main/Elton%2BJohn%2B-%2BWhite%2BLady%2BWhite%2BPowder%2B-%2B7%2522%2BRECORD-498449.jpg

col, Thursday, 9 January 2014 13:01 (ten years ago) link

lol @ white man danger

the objections to Drake from non-REAL HIPHOP people (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 9 January 2014 14:32 (ten years ago) link

brace yrself for that one. Political satire by B. Taupin

col, Thursday, 9 January 2014 14:39 (ten years ago) link

This is the first okay song we've heard in days. The piano has boogie, the lyrics don't interfere.

the objections to Drake from non-REAL HIPHOP people (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 9 January 2014 14:49 (ten years ago) link

this got some radio play when it came out and i remember young me thinking this song was a sign that elton was back. i also remember young me hearing the rest of the album and thinking i had been wrong.

today it sounds like a hybrid of glam-period elton and 21st century nashville (the "and she's a habit i can't handle / for a reason i can't say..." part). i also think it would work pretty well on billy joel's glass houses, which came out a couple months before this. i like it.

fact checking cuz, Thursday, 9 January 2014 21:24 (ten years ago) link

think the Almighty Himself would be nodding off around 2 minutes into this one

col, Friday, 10 January 2014 14:09 (ten years ago) link

you beat me!

the objections to Drake from non-REAL HIPHOP people (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 10 January 2014 14:09 (ten years ago) link

I was just navigating around the live clip that automatically came up

the objections to Drake from non-REAL HIPHOP people (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 10 January 2014 14:10 (ten years ago) link

when did EJ start owning his baldness (or wearing toupees)? the "strategic hat" photos are getting ridiculous

col, Friday, 10 January 2014 14:11 (ten years ago) link

Another sitcom theme, complete with electric piano. Lyrics by Tom Robinson, but you can't tell.

the objections to Drake from non-REAL HIPHOP people (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 11 January 2014 13:42 (ten years ago) link

sort of thing that would crop up in some grim late '70s-early '80s middle-aged sex comedy, like "Blame it On Rio": the Robinson lyric has the singer as being on the prowl ("everywhere there's lot of foxes!") but the track's so limp and schlocky that it feels like embalming fluid's entering yr veins when you listen to it. Chorus is fourth-rate by EJ standards; the sub-"Baker Street" sax break doesn't help matters

col, Saturday, 11 January 2014 13:53 (ten years ago) link

Five b-sides approaching. Should we post two of those a day?

the objections to Drake from non-REAL HIPHOP people (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 11 January 2014 13:56 (ten years ago) link

yeah, that works. i can't imagine the caliber of B-side we're talking about here

col, Saturday, 11 January 2014 14:05 (ten years ago) link

Don't forget the two France Gall duets.
― Jeff W, Monday, 30 December 2013

Jeff W, Monday, 13 January 2014 12:21 (ten years ago) link

"Conquer the Sun" (UK b-side)

http://youtu.be/Se1w-U-Uq30

the objections to Drake from non-REAL HIPHOP people (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 13 January 2014 16:00 (ten years ago) link

How on earth can you conquer the sun with these tempos?

the objections to Drake from non-REAL HIPHOP people (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 13 January 2014 16:02 (ten years ago) link

ok, recap:

"Take Me Back": Elton countrypolitan with his Tumbleweed Connection voice cropping up in the bridge like a smoker's cough, complete with that inescapable "Little Jeannie" electric piano and a Hollywood approximation of a fiddle solo.

"Give Me the Love": no, pay for it, you skunk.

Strange record, 21:33. Objectively it's not that much different from, say, Piano Player but the hit single's no "Daniel" (even if you hate "Daniel") and the filler's mainly overcooked goo. I think Single Man holds up a lot better than this.

"Conquer the Sun": big, booming, dull chorus: an organ transplant (that didn't take) to a diseased body.

col, Monday, 13 January 2014 16:32 (ten years ago) link

"conquer the sun" verses remind me, in a totally not bad way, of first-album elton. choruses remind me of what it would be like if oasis were asked to write smarmy ballads for a "lion king" sequel in 2018.

fact checking cuz, Monday, 13 January 2014 16:34 (ten years ago) link

the two B-sides of "Sartorial Eloquence":

"Cartier"

http://youtu.be/xqgOD99xqyQ

"White Man Danger!!!"

http://youtu.be/P3FzM8BENJQ

http://www.eltonjohnitaly.com/sartorial-spagna.jpg

col, Tuesday, 14 January 2014 13:23 (ten years ago) link

The Clash - "White Man Danger-Cartier Commercial"

Bryan Fairy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 14 January 2014 14:29 (ten years ago) link

Strange record, 21:33. Objectively it's not that much different from, say, Piano Player but the hit single's no "Daniel" (even if you hate "Daniel") and the filler's mainly overcooked goo. I think Single Man holds up a lot better than this.

Yep. A Single Man is a notch worse than peak-period Elton but if "Part-Time Love" hadn't flopped no one would've noticed this fact, while 21 at 33 sounds like aesthetic decline and David Geffen-here-I-come.

Bryan Fairy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 14 January 2014 14:30 (ten years ago) link

alfred, should we do the 3 B-sides of "Dear God" in one go? then on to the lest-we-forget France Gall duets

col, Wednesday, 15 January 2014 14:48 (ten years ago) link

Go for it!

Bryan Fairy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 15 January 2014 14:50 (ten years ago) link

"Tactics"

http://youtu.be/pkd-Xh8bNxY

man, the success of "Music Box Dancer" really galled EJ, no?

col, Wednesday, 15 January 2014 14:53 (ten years ago) link

"Steal Away Child"

http://youtu.be/-VvT5_ZYGLw

http://i1.ytimg.com/vi/eb951vy0LYA/hqdefault.jpg

col, Wednesday, 15 January 2014 14:54 (ten years ago) link

My nose hairs fell out the second those synths at the 0:50 mark started.

Bryan Fairy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 15 January 2014 14:55 (ten years ago) link

It's "The Final Countdown" six years early!

Bryan Fairy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 15 January 2014 14:55 (ten years ago) link

"Love So Cold"

http://youtu.be/eV720KrCj4g

oh good, we haven't had a "Caribbean" Elton track in a while

col, Wednesday, 15 January 2014 14:57 (ten years ago) link

christ, what sounds like the elec. piano from Supertramp's "Logical Song" turns up in that last one

col, Wednesday, 15 January 2014 14:58 (ten years ago) link

oh cool: the electric piano mimics steel drums

Bryan Fairy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 15 January 2014 15:01 (ten years ago) link

"That's why they call 'em B-sides," my father, 1980, when I complained about Queen's "Don't Try Suicide" on the "Another One Bites the Dust" single

col, Wednesday, 15 January 2014 15:03 (ten years ago) link

aujourd'hui, M. Elton avec la belle Mlle. Gall:

"Donner Pour Donner"

http://youtu.be/VvDsgrMP5eY

"Les Aveux"

http://youtu.be/_2hydKjtJGo

http://farm5.staticflickr.com/4133/4831231479_a4b0168c0b_o.jpg

col, Thursday, 16 January 2014 13:35 (ten years ago) link

"Les Aveux" was originally a song called "Reach Out to Me" that Elton abandoned. Not sure if Michel Berger was involved at all in the writing before the lyrics got Frenchified, but it's kinda typical of the dross that he saddled his wife with - and thus killed her appeal for me almost stone dead from '75 onwards. The saxophone on this is credited to Low Price, which sums up the whole song neatly really. Mind you, a low price is also what I paid for the 7" when I found it in a second hand shop in Brussels :)

"Donner pour donner" is better. Taupin gets a co-writing credit on this one, in addition to Berger and Elton.

Jeff W, Friday, 17 January 2014 14:13 (ten years ago) link

so now we head into The Fox...

"Breaking Down Barriers"

http://youtu.be/570vPBOQnSs

http://images.npg.org.uk/800_800/0/7/mw77407.jpg

Bryan Fairy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 17 January 2014 14:16 (ten years ago) link

The best or most Elton-like song I've heard to date, pointing the way to the polite rocking that would characterize his better eighties hits. Even the production is uncluttered.

Bryan Fairy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 17 January 2014 14:19 (ten years ago) link

yeah i can definitely hear the roots of better elton to come. solid arrangement, production, etc. songwriting still pro forma, though. ("pro forma" in this case meaning meh for elton but not bad for gary osborne!)

fact checking cuz, Friday, 17 January 2014 18:08 (ten years ago) link


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