Genesis Live

yeah - I just wrote a bit on Wind & Wuthering here in which I kinda realize that Phil wasn't really a downgrade
http://critterjams.wordpress.com/2013/12/18/genesis-wind-and-wuthering-1976/

the incredible second half of "Cinema Show" is also ace

Great piece. It's impressive that in 1976, they could still make a record as totally confident and casual as Wind & Wuthering. There's not a trace of strain over the prog-rock crisis on that album.

Phil I see as being a lateral move. Somehow I don't think that he could pull off "The Battle of Epping Forest" (not sure if he ever attempted it).

during my brief all-prog phase in high school I ran with a crowd that considered no-Gabriel era The Beginning Of The End - really enjoyed reading a clear-eyed take on Wind and Wuthering even if every time I try to revisit Genesis I feel like my departure from them was permanent and I can't ever really get back inside

That "Daddy, you promised!" bit sours me on the album every time.

They did "White Mountain" on the '76 tour. Phil's thin melodic voice made it sound especially silly — there was some combination of Gabriel's rasp and his aura of lunacy that made the words he sang seem almost meaningful.

Somehow I don't think that he could pull off "The Battle of Epping Forest" (not sure if he ever attempted it).

I don't think he did and you're probably right, but I would've said that about "Supper's Ready" too. Never heard the '76 band do "White Mountain", but that's kind of a ridiculous song anyway, isn't it?

Re-listening to some of this I'm astounded by how much of both W&W and Spot the Pigeon draw off the second disc of The Lamb, in particular the bits that I was always bored by. I wonder if they would've included any of that stuff had the storyline not been so long.

"All in a Mouse's Night" a bit of a let-down on W&W, "Epping Forest" no great loss in any situation. kinda feel like if they'd made a W&W a couple of years later it wd've been perfect

the gloss and distance they're on the way to acquiring on W&W might as well be a different band to the sludgey doom of Genesis Live tho

"All in a Mouse's Night" was my favorite song on it the first time I listened to it. That's the one that everyone seems to say would work better with Peter but I love the way Phil sings the main melody line ("come on baby, let the poor thing go"). Also the story itself isn't very interesting. My main point through all that is that even if Peter does some pretty amazing things (especially on The Lamb) I feel like Phil serves the actual songs a bit better. W&W having three instrumental tracks really says a lot about the direction the band was going (and pulled back on)

W&W is mainly let down by cloudy mix and production (the only case where I think the remix/remasters bettered the original), always felt like there was a veil over the music or a blanket on the speakers. The second side of the album is tremendous.

That Ylvis song is basically just a Genesis rip-off.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7tYyqf0KJWY

Could be bullshit but I heard a radio DJ last week say that Collins and Gabriel are in talks for a real Genesis reunion...

They're always in talks. Genesis may be the only huge act constantly breaking up and reuniting where every member old and new is still friends.

I thought Phil could not play drums?

I have heard Phil can't drum from a whole bunch of people. Didn't know Genesis were all still friends though, doesn't Gabriel routinely refuse to sign off on reissue extras & stuff?

Money talks.

Gabriel recently acknowledged recently that them all being still alive might be good reason to consider playing together once more

collins recently returned to drumming.

i wouldn't be surprised if they didn't pull off a show or two at the 02 or something. would have to be very different from the old shows, I'd expect.

They're always in talks. Genesis may be the only huge act constantly breaking up and reuniting where every member old and new is still friends.

Would maybe put Roxy in here too, if not exactly best buddies.

the roxy thing is infuriating to me, mainly because I missed their last tour, and thought there was one coming up, but they backtracked on all their statements. I guess the album resulted in Olympia, which I like a lot, but still

Yeah, almost all the Roxy guys appear on each others records, still. Though not always all at once, and Ferry doesn't cameo.

Peter always participates in Genesis biz, but he moves so slowly they rarely wait for him.

https://store.realworld.co.uk/product-category/peter-gabriel/lego-mini-figures/

Holy shit, those are the best things ever.

https://i0.wp.com/www.musicalbrick.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/03/legoLambLive06.jpg

These have been around for a while; funny that Peter is now selling them though his official store.

Apropos of the thread:

https://progarchy.com/2015/02/01/genesis-lego/

Uh, LEGO, don;t know what Phil's been telling you but his hair was never that thick

Got a press release about that Genesis covers band The Musical Box playing Hammersmith Apollo in the spring and I am FUCKING TEMPTED

Why does Phil have "Sifilis" on his shirt?

go see the musical box they are awesome!

i have a ticket for the SF show I need to unload (show is on Monday), I'm going to be out of town. mr schwitterz?

The Musical Box are awesome! What set are they doing?

i wish akm! ill be outta town too.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ijNOt6e2v-o

The best one I saw them do was when they had a bald left-handed drummer who sang like Phil! Apparently they got him from (shock) a Phil tribute band.

they're doing both the black and white sets of the selling england by the pound tour. which is great; but I've seen them do those three times already so I'm not broken up about it. I did see them do the Lamb a few years ago and it was pretty much everything I'd hoped for. I hope they do it again.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WIZwg1t2iAo

Wow, that's incredible quality.

Amazing. The description of the restoration is incredible too; I'd love to see some of the outtakes where the AI thinks the curtains are made of hair. I imagine in a decade there'll be a fully immersive VR version of clips like these.

whoa, that's unbelievable. kinda want to see what the original footage looked like.

funny how the camera barely captures Steve. you almost forget he was in the band. you can hear him though

also: was Phil Collins the sexiest man in prog in the mid-70s? or does Peter Hammill take the crown?

that is some astounding clean up work. There are really very few film clips of this period (shepperton studios is the famous one) and the quality of them has been getting better and better every year as more people do restorations on them.

incredible... can't wait to see more old stuff being restored like this

Damn, that is incredible.

yeah that's the most exciting part of this to me. imagine a Magma or Can concert film like this

Original footage, FYI.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n2VZ645W6Ss

Pity half of 'Supper's Ready' is edited out. Still, fantastic stuff.

Saw this on the Hoffman board, can only hope it is true and photos may one day emerge:

Peter Gabriel's sister was a teacher at my primary school in the late 70s/early 80s. We had the Slipperman costume used in one of our school plays!

Let's gooooooo
https://www.stereogum.com/2145905/genesis-announce-north-american-reunion-tour/news/

why do I feel the tickets are gonna be like $300 apiece

lol because they will be? on the low end?

also lol at the "?" in the tour name.

i was listening recently to a version of "anyway" where he sounds like fuckin' bob dylan

Pretty sure this is an intentional homage, though I never considered he might be doing it to give his voice a rest!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fJ1AlDUhu28

Getting older has its plusses and minuses, but no joke, one of the best things about getting older is encountering people that have no idea how good a drummer Phil Collins was.

This Chester or Bruford era? Don't think I've ever seen Phil hand-drumming like during In the Cage before, and love him at the tympani at the start of Volcano. Wish the tracks weren't truncated tbh, but grateful for what's here.

It's Chester, isn't it? Think I see his head behind the cymbal on the drum duet

Bruford drummed with them in 1976, Chester was well established by this point.

Huge Genesis drop:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q3WWWSl35MU

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EQ3hP51hTuA

http://www.youtube.com/@KieranIsHome

That last link is a host of soundboards.

http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLZDBgECVwIyZK-RBZy0xFwWSLXZoB46iI

This is the full list of the leak, have grabbed everything up to before '92, and I'm not so fussed about Phil live, but I guess this Kieran guy will float them all on YT before long.

1973-01-10 Paris (VID)
1974-03-01 Passaic (SBD, tape 1 only)
1974-09-xx Lamb rough mixes and outtakes
1974-11-21 Chicago (OAM)
1976-07-09 Glasgow (SBD)
1976-07-10 Stafford (SBD, tape 2 only)
1977-02-24 Boston (SBD, tape 2 only)
1977-03-03 Quebec City (SBD)
1978-10-14 Chicago (SBD)
1978-10-22 Houston (SBD)
1980-04-28 Glasgow (SBD)
1980-06-30 Saratoga Springs (SBD)
1981-11-14 Rosemont (SBD)
1981-11-28 NYC (SBD)
1981-11-29 Uniondale (SBD, tape 2 only)
1981-11-30 Landover (SBD)
1981-12-02 Hartford (SBD)
1981-12-05 Ottawa (SBD)
1981-12-11 Syracuse (SBD)
1982-07-31 Peoria (SBD)
1982-08-01 Peoria (SBD, one tape only)
1982-08-07 Berkeley (SBD)
1982-08-13 Dallas (SBD)
1982-08-18 Clarkston (SBD)
1982-08-29 Montreal (SBD, tape 1 only)
1982-09-21 Birmingham (SBD, tape 2 only)
1982-09-30 London (SBD, tape 2 only)
1983-11-25 Philadelphia (AUD)
1983-11-26 Philadelphia (AUD)
1983-12-01 Hartford (SBD)
1983-12-02 Syracuse (SBD)
1983-12-07 Pittsburgh (SBD)
1983-12-10 Norfolk (OAM)
1984-01-12 Inglewood (SBD)
1984-02-01 Indianapolis (SBD, tape 1 only)
1984-02-16 Reno (SBD, tape 2 only)
1984-02-17 Las Vegas (SBD)
1984-02-20 Oakland (SBD)
1984-02-25 Birmingham (SBD, tape 1 only)
1986-10-01 NYC (SBD)
1986-10-03 NYC (SBD)
1986-12-17 Sydney (SBD, tape 2 only)
1987-02-01 Lexington (SBD)
1992-04-30 Houston, 1992-06-18 Los Angeles, 1992-06-25 Tinley Park (VID)
2007-04-25,26 Cossonay (SBD)

Phil Collins
1983-01-24 Fort Worth (SBD)
1985-02-07 Shepperton (SBD)
1985-02-08 Shepperton (SBD)
1985-02-09 Shepperton (VID)
1985-04-03 Sydney (VID)
1985-05-29 Dallas (SBD)

oyh nice, thanks for the hu on this

taken down :(((

Yeah, just saw that, I wouldn't fuck with Tony Smith, I bet he shouted very loudly at someone.

Oh, just seen that *all* the torrents on the Genesis movement website have been nuked, fuck, hope they don't go for d1m3

I assume someone saved them all, as they did with that Van Halen treasure trove?

Wish I had managed to grab some of the live Lamb shows and the Collins studio stuff but did manage a few 80-81 gigs. Great shows!

I think there are some mirror sires on reddit if you have a scout around