HOLGER CZUKAY

ooh what i wouldn't give for outtakes from that lp; my favorite Czukay. doesn't seem to get much love.

Are there unreleased tracks in the Czukay solo vaults, a la the Can Lost Tapes?

Hard to jam with yourself tbh

Having said that I read something where he said he did a session with Jah Wobble and ended only using Wobble tuning his bass at the start of the session

Les Vampyrettes = fucking wicked, man.

Great questions so far - dunno how many I'll be able to ask but I'll try! Keep 'em coming!

finally bought the Groenland reissue of On The Way To The Peak Of Normal (as a download, from eMusic). Kept having to turn the volume down further and further. Felt like a loudness thing. Luckily, was able to find a blog just now with a rip of the Can Solo Edition CD from ages ago (the one with the two bonus tracks). Like this mastering much more. Sounds much richer when turned up loud but without hurting my ears. Sigh.

Those reissues bug me to no end. Those two tracks aren't bonus tracks -- the new version isn't a complete reissue, it dropped half of side two!

Then there's things like this, compiling two of his albums and replacing half the tracks with alternate mixes that are pretty much objectively less interesting than the originals - http://www.discogs.com/Holger-Czukay-Der-Osten-Ist-Rot-Rome-Remains-Rome/release/5943736

Someone stop him

lol wtf?!? That is nuts

have you heard the groenlands Milton? Do you think they're mastered too hot?

have only listened to 'Osten/Rome' online. I'm curious to hear the new 'Normal' to see if he touched it much.

I should walk it back a bit, the new mixes are not exactly less interesting, they just lack most of the disorienting jump-cut edits that really make the original mixes. I'm guessing as to how the original albums were made, but it sounds like he did several radically different stereo mixes of pieces, and then started splicing between them at perfect moments, sometimes between the same moment on the master, sometimes completely different moments. Pretty common practice even then, though he really emphasized the jump cuts instead of hiding them. These new mixes push up the live instruments, but they also mostly sound splice-free -- it's interesting to hear more of what I assume is the original tapes but if what you loved about the original records was the baffling mixing and sample density, those are not as present on the 'Osten/Rome' reissues

I am (obviously) a pretty big fan of most everything he did from 1979-1986 but you have to track down the original versions

/what I assume are the original tapes

the SPV-Revisited CD of 'Movies' is also a very different mastering job than the original Spoon CD, though it's still the same edit. But I ripped them both to iTunes and I can tell which is which within about 15 seconds just by listening, it's pretty extreme. In that case I find the new master interesting but I would start with the original

Czukay's Spotify catalog right now are the reissues of 'Normal', 'Osten/Rome', a weird remix album misattributed to him that he did a single remix for, and 'La Luna' - yikes

I checked out the Groenland 'Normal' reissue and the second half of the title track is a completely different edit removing Czukay's original vocals in favor of someone whispering 'I like you' over and over for three minutes. It is not as good. The other tracks sound like the original edits to me but definitely got a modern remastering.

I do like the vivid tone colors of that remaster but on headphones it's just too loud

Great Holger cameo at the end of this Eurythmics performance from the OGWT:

https://youtu.be/w2rRLc1Dmv4?t=306

Ha, I was thinking about this clip last week and very nearly went on to Youtube to post it on here.

I've a feeling it didn't sell as well as it could have but the last double 10" thing for "RSD" (Eleven Years Innerspace) is worth checking out. It's a bit of a weird package with more recycled (remixed / edited) stuff but totally worthwhile I reckon. You may think you don't need a six minute edit of Boat Woman Song but actually you do. There's also some bonkers cut-up Can rhythms with odd wailing over the top that sounds like Holger aping Damo.

I need a 6 minute edit of boat woman song!

Those reissues bug me to no end. Those two tracks aren't bonus tracks -- the new version isn't a complete reissue, it dropped half of side two!

Then there's things like this, compiling two of his albums and replacing half the tracks with alternate mixes that are pretty much objectively less interesting than the originals - http://www.discogs.com/Holger-Czukay-Der-Osten-Ist-Rot-Rome-Remains-Rome/release/5943736🔗

Someone stop him

I'm so confused. Is this comp from Virgin in 1987 of Rome/Der Ostenremixes as well? Or is it the original mixes (minus a few tunes)?

http://www.discogs.com/Holger-Czukay-Rome-Remains-Rome-And-Excerpts-From-Der-Osten-Ist-Rot/master/23194

the one you link is the Virgin 1987 CD, the original mixes with a few tracks axed from Der Osten ist Rot (even though both albums would have fit on one disc without a problem)

the one I linked is the bizarro recent Groenland one with radically different mixes.

Ok, right -- the Virgin CD is the one I have. And yes, I had always wondered why we were being denied the other Der Osten ist Rot tracks (pretty sure all of Rome Remains Rome is on there).

Re. the Groenland issue, that's really bizarre. Sometimes these guys can't just leave well enough alone.

some of the new mixes are interesting and would make fun bonus tracks, like the new alt versions of 'Boat Woman Song' and 'Plight & Premonition' on that new ep Eleven Years Innerspace; it's just frustrating when they're featured on 'reissues' where the originals aren't available

Listening to this now. It would seek there is a lot less material here than on the Virgin CD – including no Photo Song!!

I actually always preferred the Der Osten ist Rot material a bit – in part because I can only take so much Sheldon Ancel. And yes, the edits on that are much more dramatic – the title track is particularly memorable in that respect, oscillating between the brass playing the anthem and the ambient synth drone, while Jaki patters away in the background over both. Assuming that's one of the re-edited cuts on the new one based on what I'm hearing on Spotify.

thank you spotify discover playlist for introducing me to "cool in the pool"

:)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PyqkIr-1Vk8

just the time of year for it too!

Lol, I sing that song pretty much every time we go to a pool.

Letz get cool in ze pool, letz get hot in ze dancing spot

OH IS IT HOT?

phew, wow, then letz get cool in ze pool

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xa8RdpYMycs

... there's a strange video out there for that track that Holger shot himself.

this?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5EH5GFP2Otk

... yes, and I've just discovered there's one for 'Cool in the Pool' too.

Lol, I sing that song pretty much every time we go to a pool.

― socka flocka-jones (man alive), Tuesday, July 5, 2016 5:56 PM (4 hours ago)

I sing it pretty much every time a pool is mentioned, or the weather, or dancing. I love it so.

(btw that was not meant to be a competitive statement, though on re-reading it does kind of come off that way)

ON THE DANCING...
...
...
...
SPOT

xp I sing Cool in the Pool five times a day facing Mecca

http://r-ec.bstatic.com/images/hotel/max300/348/34832490.jpg

We are so
NORMAL

ty for reminding me to listen to this important artwork

hollywood symphony also superb from that album, got that breezy germanic cheerfulness I find irresistible

thrilled that this was not an rip revive, long may his moustache reign

movies (home of 'cool in the pool') has just been reissued as movie!.

"Reworked" LOLger.

LP version has an instrumental CITP, buy otherwise the same?

*but"

Instrumental mix of "Cool in the Pool" is objectively awesome. It's like a miniature of everything I like about Holger. Weird varispeed dictaphone edits, jittery French horn and synth blasts, chunky little guitar rhythms, and his very underrated liquid guitar leads.

Have to say: I've always struggled a bit with the two longer tracks on Movies (née Movie). They feel a lot like Can's mid-period stuff but leave me a bit cold.

Dammit.

http://www.ksta.de/koeln/deutsche-rock-ikone--can--bassist-holger-czukay-tot-aufgefunden-28364470

Oh come on

Oh no

Holger Czukay is dead. The great Cologne musician and co-founder of the band "Can", died at the age of 79 years in the legendary "Can" studio - an old cinema in Weilerswist - which he had converted into the apartment in recent years.
When and exactly what the musician with the black hair and the conspicuous mustache has died, is currently determined by the Kripo.

Because construction workers had not seen him on the site for a few days, they informed a neighbor who was looking-and found Czukay lifeless in his apartment. An emergency surgeon could only determine his death.
Holger Czukay, who revolutionized the musical world from 1968 to 1978, died only a few days after his wife Ursula, who died on July 28th on her 55th birthday.

damn ... RIP. one of the best.

:-(