Is SPIN really circling the drain?

how many circles of the drain did u count

There's a lot of weirdly prescient shit in here tbh

Still surprises me that I'm the one who started it...almost a decade ago.

And it circled the drain a lot longer than I thought it would.

Disable your ad block, now ditto your sad block (my Sting voice).

Do you have ad block installed?

― Southern Lorde (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, December 2, 2013 10:15 AM (8 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

yeah that fixed it, thanks. though it's still absurd that i need to disable abp given that nothing is actually popping up.

― call all destroyer, Monday, December 2, 2013 10:25 AM (10 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Could be a scheme. Force the readers to see the ads if they want to view the mag's most popular features.

King Ad Block, that is my name
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-GIXIsCgADes/T9kBbJFqb7I/AAAAAAAAI-g/VV9_J_ivSyw/s400/adrock+SPIN+sept+98.png

It's too bad the site doesn't tell you that adblock is interfering. I thought it was just broken.

Could be a scheme. Force the readers to see the ads if they want to view the mag's most popular features.

― voodoo chili, Monday, December 2, 2013 9:06 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

lol yeah great way to keep ppl reading yr website

didn't say it was a good scheme

Ott claims a scalp ;_;

lol

Charles Aaron has just announced he's leaving:

https://twitter.com/Charles_Aaron/status/429364274050265088

man it's amazing to think it's been like 20+ years since his singles column started and the better part of a decade since andy pemberton made him do an "ASK A BIG FUCKING NERD" trivia column with a cut-out of his face next to it.

woops, sorry, it was called The Brain

http://books.google.com/books?id=Y89DhABF0tsC&pg=PA38&dq=spin+%22charles+aaron+answers+your+ticklish+questions%22&hl=en&sa=X&ei=2xzsUtuAEoHaoAT14IG4Bg&ved=0CDMQ6AEwAg#v=onepage&q=spin%20%22charles%20aaron%20answers%20your%20ticklish%20questions%22&f=false

The best is that was 2006, when you could have Asked Jeeves about any of that shit

"Who is Fallout Boy, the Simpsons character the band is named after?"

Like, you already know it's a simpsons character they're named after, and you wrote to SPIN MAGAZINE to tell you who that character was.

but then their long-time singles columnist gave you the hook up, so who's the fool now

Wonder if his Jo Jo Dancer opus is still in the archive?

End of an era. He took over the singles column from John Leland maybe (who is at the NY Times still I think, writing mostly non-music stuff)

in the 18-or-so months since Buzzm3dia bought SPIN, 4 out of the 5 people on the initial edit team have left ...

What was that zine he and Kim (?) had back in the day, Super Hate Jr. or something like that?

Who's left? Harvilla?

i think there may have been a couple of ppl that did a few singles columns between leland and aaron but yeah it was basically leland's column (hall of fame pop music writing obv) and then aaron's. at this point i think it's fair to say whatever semblance of spin magazine was left is gone. the outrage and hysteria over jojodancer was something else, a shame ilx wasn't around then. googling for it just now it's crazy just how much mainstream press this thing got - http://joeclark.org/dossiers/rocklist/. i mean the voice had TWO pieces on it one week.

there was a little retrospective article on it recently: http://www.themorningnews.org/article/same-as-it-ever-was

"recently": Oct 20, 2009

sorry sorry sorry

fine, i SAW it recently

haha wow I had no idea about JoJoDancer

“If you don’t get excited by music…it’s kind of your last refuge. Like, what else is going to excite you? I find people who get bored with music, and they’re like, I love 30 Rock! TV is so awesome now!

“And I say, ‘Yeah, I like TV, too. But TV didn’t change my life like music did.’”

charles aaron otm

i mean the voice had TWO pieces on it one week.

the voice is also the place that ran articles on what happened at EMP

god the voice had THREE pieces on it one week rather. wow. kinda funny that xhuxk and kogan have spent their entire careers positioning themselves against some 'rock critic' strawman and never daring to actually name names or even specific ideas they're challoping about and then this thing (which reads way different now than it did in 1999 - thing somehow seems 'an artifact of a bygone age' as klosterman calls it and the ghost of internet future)(i mean if someone did that for 2013 it would just be another yawn on the pile, i'm not sure ppl would even think that an pro like aaron had written it just cuz it would seem so part of that wannabe/neverwas lineage of pitchfork reviews reviews and chris ott) actually bothers to name names and they catch the vapors over it. also don't know what the fuck aaron was thinking, he had to know he'd be outed, the joe klein thing had just happened a couple of years before and i think the primary colors movie was actually in theaters when this went down.

i mean, also, like Gen X critics were so backbitey and snipey — beyond Jojo Dancer there was Chunklet and Gerard Cosloy's zine, etc etc

millenials are so different, because like whenever ott posts a video they form like 285 kent voltron to defend the fort against insults, and everyone does SUCH A GOOD JOB and you HAVE TO READ THIS EXCELLENT THING THAT THEY WROTE &c &c

"I find people who get bored with music, and they’re like, I love 30 Rock! TV is so awesome now!"

new board description

The part in the RCL where, if we assume for now that it's Aaron, that he disses himself for writing about Limp Bizkit sticks out cause it's so transparently lightweight (so you wrote about a shitty band, who hasn't) that it feels like he's just trying to cover his own tracks by putting himself on the list.

omg, ballount post just collapsed and condensed years of reading rockcrit and then ilx into a black hole.

haha. yeah chunklet had the asshole list and stuff, i forgot about that. that reminds of all the 'holy shit omg' responses the kendrick verse got where he basically says 'i respect my peers but i strive to be better than them' and all the children were like 'omg DEVASTATION' and i was like if someone released a 'no vaseline' now would everybody under 25's head literally explode???

millenials are so different, because like whenever ott posts a video they form like 285 kent voltron to defend the fort against insults, and everyone does SUCH A GOOD JOB and you HAVE TO READ THIS EXCELLENT THING THAT THEY WROTE &c &c

professional reputation (in the profession), responses to publication, and publication itself all (potentially) put on the same plane

well, i think pitchfork might have a lot to do with that attitude, since their writers are p anonymous, and present the brand as a whole. Lots of millenials really want to be part of that team because they see it as the best/only game in town. Even outlier cranks like GvsB or Perpetua have played ball with them from time to time

It's a way different era than when DeRo was raging about Rolling Stone and could still land on his feet

Like I'm just spitballin but think the Gen X attitude was "I want to be a critic and let my voice be heard" and the Gen Y attitude is "I want to make bands"

are their writers pretty anonymous or do you just not pay attention to who is who.

also i sorta think nobody is landing on their feet, really.

"I find people who get bored with music, and they’re like, I love 30 Rock! TV is so awesome now!"

LOL and otm.

I saw a rerun of 30 Rock, early episode, and man alive it's so heavy on deep pop culture/current events references it's already starting to get borderline incomprehensible, in 20 it be like it was written in Latin

One of those Voice pieces convincingly compares Aaron and Dancer texts, same way the Anonymous/Klein case got cracked. Previously lyin' liar Klein then confessed; Aaron didn't quite, but something to the effect that prying eyes were killing the dream (though the original piece always seemed a little green around the gills to me, intermittently sick with envy and other frustration re the whole mugs' game of rock journo).
Balls is otm about the Dancer piece being as much of a jolt then as it would be a yawn now. But the GOOD JOB and its opp plausibly incl. a signif % of paid.
Some Pitchfork writers are very un-anonymous: yay Tim Finney for inst.
Golden Age of TV usually comes down to the same 10-12 shows.

Oh, and after Aaron didn't quite confess/not confess, the Dancer piece did show up in the SPIN archive.

I saw a rerun of 30 Rock, early episode, and man alive it's so heavy on deep pop culture/current events references it's already starting to get borderline incomprehensible, in 20 it be like it was written in Latin

the last season was full of jokes that weren't funny if you weren't american and didn't have access to a lot of shitty american tv.

Yeah I'd imagine

a SNL-style world

then again absolutely no one will be watching that in 20 years, possibly bcz we will be in Thunderdome or Waterworld

I know Whiney's just trolling here, but the idea that Buzzfeed's music section is being run by an "outlier crank" is pretty amusing. Katy Perry listicles really need that outlier touch to gain any kind of traction.

He's p cranky on twitter and on his blog

Not trying to be mean or snarky, but what is (was?) Videogum? Was it just a site that aggregated funny videos? Was it an official offshoot of Stereogum?

Pretty much.