can't believe ilx has no lostprophets thread

Blimey, did Ian Watkins pick a really good day to confess to babysex?

As Watkins faces a lengthy jail term:

His distraught family described how online porn turned a ‘happy normal lad from the Valleys’ into a paedophile who ‘will be remembered like Jimmy Savile’.

how could a paedophile ever come from the valleys, or any other rural area? i mean they are more honest places than london, their food products taste better and you can trust their internet more. it's just so shocking.

Still amazed that any paedophile would use the phrase 'Ifuckkids' to password protect their computer full of child porn. Wonder how long it took GCHQ to crack that one.

about 30 seconds because it's nine letters long, could probably brute force it in a few hours on a pentium II

yeah, that's a terrible password on every possible front

though as azb would say, sort of seems like he was gay to get discovered here, like he really didn't seem to try very hard to cloak his depravity

It's kind of mind-blowing. I'll admit that I'm not well-read on the thought processes of paedophiles, but it seems like he knew what he was doing was wrong and was almost revelling in it somehow? Unless his password was like some sad confession to himself, or statement of self-loathing? I don't know.

probably assumed he was untouchable due to status and tbh he was correct for, it seems, a good half decade - terrifying how with very little digging it becomes apparent that this was such common knowledge in the fan community

his "i don't remember any of it because i was on drugs" line is infuriating as well

like to know more about the two or three year old claims on those shitty gossip sites that the police had already been told about his tendencies

not even just there now, in the press too http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/ian-watkins-ex-girlfriend-warned-cops-2854744

it does seem a bit hard to say whether the police are to blame. like the mail's line is basically "people have been saying he's a paedo for years". let's just use that to arrest people.

there is probably some via media to be found between arresting everyone ever and doing due diligence on a public figure who left a trail of evidence all over the place

look forward to the exculpatory police complaints report anyway

tricky enough, like, in the case of the above woman, do they start actually investigating him based on someone saying that he "said" he was a paedophile. it's a pretty serious thing to start looking into. she could be lying. i mean, i dunno how many paedos there are who don't actively commit crimes either.

i mean i guess it comes down to the question of whether the police today are vigilant enough about paedophilia. don't know the answer to that.

how could a paedophile ever come from the valleys, or any other rural area?

The valleys aren't (or isn't?) rural

point still stands.

She said: “Everything changed for us when he confided in me that he wanted to abuse children in 2008.

One would hope so

i would have thought that reports from a girlfriend would count as reasonable suspicion on which to investigate him?

The police almost certainly didn't take his ex's claims seriously because we know they've waved aside multiple other cases in the past, but we don't know yet whether any of the victims reported him to the police or social services until last year. The climate has changed a lot post-Saville and I'd guess victims are more likely to come forward now even the perpetrator is famous and has exerted a lot of threatening aggression.

Watkins must have been deluding himself if he thought his status made him untouchable, he's a million miles away from being a dominant public figure like Saville was.

It seems that the court's own Twitter feed accidentally named the two female defendants, one of whom is the woman named on that whodatedwho thread.

oh ffs

Watkins must have been deluding himself if he thought his status made him untouchable, he's a million miles away from being a dominant public figure like Saville was.

if someone went to police to report him and nothing happened then it's easy to see how he might get the impression he was untouchable

And this is out in the public domain now, so no point in redacting it here, right?

“I couldn’t believe how indifferent the police were, it was like they were taking his side and dismissing me as some stalker.

“I told Ian I had gone to the police and we argued but he was so cocky, he did not think the police would touch him and he was right.

“It was then I realised I had to turn off any feelings I had for him and turn on my escort mode.

“I had to treat him as any other client and try and get as much evidence as I could while pretending to be whatever it was he wanted me to be.

“I was determined to save more children from this monster.”

So after the police did nothing she carried on having a relationship with him in order to gather evidence or something?

aaaand they did not buy it.

That's what she's saying xp

How did he finally get caught anyway?

I'm assuming the police did not actually ignore what she said, but decided she was less innocent than she was letting on.

thoughts on this take on it?

Clive Martin ‏@thugclive 1h
I think more than anything, he had basically got this desire to become the sickest fucker alive, and very much succeeded.
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Clive Martin ‏@thugclive 1h
I mean supposedly he was telling fans he was going to give them AIDS. There's something so extreme about that, it feels sort of unreal.
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Clive Martin ‏@thugclive 1h
I mean, seemingly he seems to have indulged himself in every questionable sexual practice there is in order to get his kicks.
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Clive Martin ‏@thugclive 1h
...but I can't help but think that he's a man who's main ambition and peccadillo was to be a sick as he possibly could be...
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...he was almost posing as a paedophile and getting off on that as much as he was one? Don't get me wrong, he definitely is a paedophile...
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Clive Martin ‏@thugclive 1h
Ian Watkins story quite fascinating. Something about the flagrancy (the passwords, the admissions to fans) of it all suggests to me that...

Well, there is an interview from 2010 with him here where he says

“I’ve taken down all the rules in my life. It’s hard to talk about this without sounding like a fucking wanker, but I had an epiphany, where I wanted to get a different mind-set for this album, because it needed to be different. Now I could hypothetically think about what it would be like to be in that mind-set or I could just be like ‘Fuck it’ and go nuts. But then I was like ‘Well, I can’t do that because I don’t do this and I don’t do that’… because I’m supposed to be straight-edge. With the whole straight-edge thing, I did everything when I was a kid, and it was wicked, but I just couldn’t really be bothered doing it. But at this point I realised my defences had become my own restrictions, like the cage you build around you to keep you safe became the cage that kept you in. I was the one that put those defences there, and they’re no longer relevant because I’ve grown up. it’s not like I’m a kid being restless. I’m just exploring stuff. The minute I thought I couldn’t do this because people know me as this straight-edge guy, that’s when I knew it had to change.”

and it probably seemed like he was talking about drugs at the time but turns out he meant fucking babies.

And this is out in the public domain now, so no point in redacting it here, right?

It would still be contempt. Don't post the names here, please.

thoughts on this take on it?

bizarre armchair analysis tbh

his initial "furious denials" didn't contain much in the way of posing

Yeah im unsure as to how thats in any way valuable WD. Im sure there's a varying line btwn 'actually sexually attracted to infants' and 'just kicking against the squares, man' but if there's a stage at which it becomes discernible or makes the slightest difference im glad it escapes me tbh.

you could maybe debate whether the sexual attraction was towards the infants or towards the fact of deviancy itself but who gives a shit when the end result is the same? in the same way, his own rationale as to why he did it is irrelevant - the crimes occured, how he decides to distance himself from his own actions is of no interest to anybody else

not even gonna pretend to take what nv says seriously until he changes that dn tbh

sir are you acting under your oath?

nv doesn't recognise the authority of fp

dont make me set the aul fella on you, you'll get all the maritime law you want and then some

Not me posting that deems, im not remotely interested in what this guy has to say or what his state of mind may have been now guilt has been established.

Oh yeah theres more than one villa fan how strange

SO RATHER THAN USING DRUGS IN A SELF-DESTRUCTIVE WAY, IT WAS MORE OF A DOORS FRONTMAN JIM MORRISON-STYLE QUEST FOR ENLIGHTENMENT….
“Well, as pretentious as that sounds, I guess that’s what it was. I’m not just talking about substances. I mean everything. Just opening up to being like ‘come what may’ is so liberating”.

PICK FIVE WORDS TO DESCRIBE IAN WATKINS IN 2010.
“Contradictory. Proud. Unabashed. Driven. And… determined. Very fucking determined”.

"Prosecuting barrister Chris Clee QC told the court: He accepts he was a determined and committed paedophile."

Also from that interview EK linked:

There are so many rumours about me, and I love that shit. I don’t do anything to stop it. The more shit that’s out there, the bigger the smokescreen and the harder it is to tell what’s actually true and what’s crap.

Isn’t that exactly what Saville said to Louis Theroux?

Eurgh, justification of this as being an attempt to break on through is particularly chilling. Twisted logical extension of the usual twisted paedo logic that they're simply liberated individuals who refuse to be bound by the conventions of a strait-laced society.

'Pretentious' a horrible word in this context. The whole element of fame, groupies, actually telling people about it, the password thing. Wanting to be seen as this thing.

http://www.metalhammer.co.uk/news/ian-watkins-talks-about-that-photo/

any speculated that the photo was either not Watkins or had been faked. Here’s what Ian told us…

Hammer: Have you done any interviews since your picture came out?
Ian: It’s good innit?
Hammer: It’s amazing, it’s our screensaver
Ian: if you’ve done that it must be really pixelated… or have you tiled it?
Hammer: we’re going to have it as an animated gif.
Ian: already been done.
Hammer: who did that?
Ian: I did it
Hammer: what’s the story behind it?
[Ian does the zipping his lip gesture]
Ian: I do have a first in graphic design which is essentially PhotoShop… (pause) yyyeeeeessss.
Hammer: is that all you’re saying?
Ian: that’s all I’m saying. I was happy with it. And ultimately if you trace everything back to the source, it’s gotta come from somewhere hasn’t it? I got my shit locked down like a master, so nothing’s getting leaked. It worked better than I ever could have imagined and the fact that Perez picked it up and stuff is amazing.

Pic

no.

point?

it's pretty easy to find. anyway, I remember reading that interview when this story broke a year ago. I found his explanation pretty funny.

Was the timing of Cameron's ridiculously over the top internet filter announcement planned in advance to coincide with this?

His distraught family described how online porn turned a ‘happy normal lad from the Valleys’ into a paedophile

Which makes me think they want everyone to go: "If only there was a way for governments to protect the general public by blocking all kinds of online porn..."

at last, it all makes sense