Bimble Says: The Lou Reed Memorial Velvet Underground and Solo Careers Poll RESULTS THREAD

psyched to hear how they do the gift on the gymnasium 67 show on the WL/WH box (altho i'm sure it's readily available elsewhere)

other than new age, rock and roll, sweet jane, who loves the sun and the guitar solo in oh sweet nuthin, the rest of Loaded irks me.

― Iago Galdston, Tuesday, November 26, 2013 7:58 PM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

and other than the incident mrs. lincoln how was the play

altho i'm sure it's readily available elsewhere
never been bootlegged afaik (the rest of the gymnasium set has been though)
aero came out swinging against loaded, but i dunno if there were any other big detractors. classic album, even if it's not quite a VU album w/ no Moe and limited sterling morrison contributions. whatever!

other than new age, rock and roll, sweet jane, who loves the sun and the guitar solo in oh sweet nuthin, the rest of Loaded irks me.
― Iago Galdston, Tuesday, November 26, 2013 7:58 PM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
and other than the incident mrs. lincoln how was the play
― lollercoaster of rove (s.clover), Tuesday, November 26, 2013 9:32 PM

Run Run Run, Train Round the Bend, and Lonesome Cowboy Bill REALLY bum me out.
The Bonus Disc of Loaded is better than the record.

tylerw otm throughout thread

Guess... I've had that on

Run run run?

The Bonus Disc of Loaded is better than the record.

I used to think so too, now I'm not sure. I love how unpolished everything is on the second disc (yeah they're demos, but that's the point, the VU aren't quite the VU when they're all cleaned up and radio friendly) but I've been softening on the proper album over the years.

Run Run Run, Train Round the Bend, and Lonesome Cowboy Bill REALLY bum me out.
The Bonus Disc of Loaded is better than the record.

― Iago Galdston, Tuesday, November 26, 2013 9:47 PM

Sorry folks, I meant Head Held High, Cool It Down, Train, and LCB--although Run Run Run never really did it for me either

I'm not able to understand how a song with the exhortation "DO THE DOG!" can bum anyone out.

re "Head Held High": love the song, am meh about the arrangement. The song would have kicked ass if Moe had drummed.

only just catching up with this now. Good results imo! just to go back to this:

it seems weirder to me that Cale would be cool with it. Reed was a pretty hateful contrarian himself so I can see how they might get along (at least for a little while).

― Ayn Rand Akbar (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, November 22, 2013 12:49 AM (5 days ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I love john cale but he was hardly a saint back then. In his autobiography he describes doing almost exactly the same thing as nico (minus the racism) to a woman at a party while drunk/high. Although I can't find any reference to it online so it's possible that I imagined this (or ppl are just really invested in the idea of john as the nice one)

and like, he still participates regularly in nico tributes in the full knowledge that she was a nazi shithead so

re "Head Held High": love the song, am meh about the arrangement. The song would have kicked ass if Moe had drummed.

Kicks enough ass for me tbh. Also "they said the enswer was to become a dencer". But, basically, I love everything about that song.

I definitely would have voted in a Velvets poll if i'd know it was going to split into Velvets + solo, what a bummer

Not sure what the beef is with that tune either. Like it fine just the way it was made. Don't wish it sounded like some other tune or like it belonged on another album, that other tune and other album already exist.

I made a CDR of Loaded + outtakes/demos to jam in the car during the voting process and HHH really jumped out to me as the song on the album that really could have been some kind of left-field radio hit. It could have fit nicely on Cosmo's Factory!

One of the bonus tracks is a single mix I think? Not sure if the single was ever released though.

It could have fit nicely on Cosmo's Factory!

Isn't that why they got signed to Atlantic, as potentially a sort of NYC CCR?

If you mean "Head held high", it was a single in France.

I'm not able to understand how a song with the exhortation "DO THE DOG!" can bum anyone out.
― Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Wednesday, November 27, 2013 8:05 AM (1 hour ago

HHH is definitely the best of the "duds" (for me) of those four Loaded tracks I mentioned upthread.

basically agree w/ iago

oh my god, someone agrees with me! thanks, iatee!

You should clean out your ears, they're filled with stupid

if loaded had been released as an ep w/ all the weaker tracks nobody would defend it as a velvets masterpiece

The problem with that brilliant theory is there are no weak tracks

anyone who thinks 'lonesome cowboy bill' is up there w/ the rest of the velvets material is smoking crack

Someone doesn't like fun, I see

Somewhere in my head there's an alternate universe American Bandstand where everyone did the dog and boogied relentlessly to HHH. Y'all are nuts.

Cowboy Bill is boring, I'll give you that.

Lou shoulda sung it instead of Doug. Doug's great, but not so much on fast songs.

the train one and the cowboy one and waterface can get tae fuck

Whatever

xpost a ways back: I love Loaded, even if it's the weakest VU record. I guess I agree that if you took the worst songs on it and moved them all to one EP, then it wouldn't be regarded as a great piece of work. That's also true of every album ever made.

except wlwh

If the only song on 'Velvet Underground & Nico' was 'Run Run Run,' nobody would defend it as a velvets masterpiece

for the record i think those "weak" tracks on Loaded are awesome, particularly "Train Comin' Round the Bend"

I love Lou's raggedy rock 'n' roll singing on this album

If the only song on 'Velvet Underground & Nico' was 'Run Run Run,' nobody would defend it as a velvets masterpiece

I think I would

I am a Loaded hater but I think Train Comin' Round The Bend is pretty awesome. I like about half the record as far as the tunes, but I just cannot stand Billy's drumming, Lou is phoning it in and busy leaving the band, and Sterling is mixed down. Not much to love there.

concerning run run run. my favourite version of it has always been this. so much better than the original...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UCr4ZyI2r8I

Lou is phoning it in

No

yeah if delivering several of the coolest vocals in rock history is phoning it in... i was just listening to the Loaded "Sweet Jane" and it's an amazing vocal -- everyone might be used to it by now, but it really is an astounding performance.

OK, fair point

yes, the only song on Loaded that I really really f with
had read about Loaded in the red Rolling Stone guide as a Holy Grail 5 star classic & I still think the album is kinda dopey, e.g. "Cool It Down", "Lonesome Cowboy Bill", "Train Round the Bend"

but that "Sweet Jane" is something else

i can understand the "cowboy bill" negativity. considering all of the other tunes they had to choose from, they chose that one? it's a fun little rave up, but it screams outtake. i love "train"'s guitar and wild vocal.

I don't mind "kinda dopey" Velvets tbh

last time i listened to loaded though, the main thing that bugged me was that lou changed the lyrics (and didn't sing) "new age" -- it's pretty perfect on Live 1969.

I don't mind that either, I like Doug Yule's vocal and the new lyrics

Live 1969 >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Loaded

Live 1969 >>>>>>>>>>>>>> everything else

^ this

I'd been listening to "New Age" (on Loaded) for years and thinking it was Lou Reed singing before someone pointed it out to me it wasn't. Jesus, people (me) were so stupid before the internet.