recall talking to this guy i knew in passing who worked at the studio where mobb deep were recording maybe hell on earth and he said they would get completely fucked up and pass out head on the mixing board then wake up and start mumbling about colors and how they could see the music and then continue recording
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 26 November 2013 16:24 (ten years ago) link
I know synesthesia is a real thing and I'm sure it affects different people to different degrees, but the way reporters always treat it like it's OMG SO AMAZING is funny to me. Like, associating colors or tastes or textures to sounds or shapes or words is not really that hard to understand -- it's a basic tool of poetry, and even of a lot of criticism (e.g. "angular guitars"), it's a normal metaphorical way of talking about sensory experience. I'm sure it operates on a different, more instinctive level for synesthetes, but it does not blow my mind that a certain tone or chord sounds "blue" or "pink" to someone.
― something of an astrological coup (tipsy mothra), Tuesday, 26 November 2013 16:45 (ten years ago) link
it plays into the profiled/profiler dynamic very well is prob what it comes down to
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 26 November 2013 16:48 (ten years ago) link
tbf it got what few passing sentences in that piece
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 26 November 2013 16:49 (ten years ago) link
No, I know. That's just the second synesthetic artist reference I've seen/heard in the last week (the other was on NPR talking about somebody, I don't remember who). But yeah, it definitely plays into artist profiles in general. You don't hear much about synesthetic bankers.
― something of an astrological coup (tipsy mothra), Tuesday, 26 November 2013 16:51 (ten years ago) link
Think what you're not getting tipsy is that what normally operates at a metaphorical level for non-synesthetes literally operates at a literal level for synesthetes
That's why it's OMG SO AMAZING
DUH
― 乒乓, Tuesday, 26 November 2013 16:52 (ten years ago) link
My guess is that there's more like a synesthetic spectrum and we're talking more about degrees of intensity than some on-off switch. But I don't know! I just notice it a lot in feature stories.
― something of an astrological coup (tipsy mothra), Tuesday, 26 November 2013 16:55 (ten years ago) link
i wonder what the color blood orange sounds like to him
― 乓乒 (gr8080), Tuesday, 26 November 2013 16:55 (ten years ago) link
it doesnt sound like hes a literal synesthete from the piece tho just kinda speedy, protip anyone can become synesthetic with the right drugs
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 26 November 2013 16:56 (ten years ago) link
http://nyulocal.com/on-campus/2013/11/14/dev-hynes-delivered-a-stunning-lecture-on-synesthesia-and-musical-composition/
― chinavision!, Tuesday, 26 November 2013 16:57 (ten years ago) link
if you took enough of the drugs and got familiar w the experience you could prob train yrself to see sounds w/o the drugs or w/e #drugforums
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 26 November 2013 16:57 (ten years ago) link
Googling "synesthetic spectrum" gives me:
Cross-modal correspondences pervade not only several forms of traditional synesthesia but also, importantly, the experiences of individuals typically deemed non-synesthetic (Marks, 1975, 1978; Spence, 2011). Even non-synesthetes perceive high-pitched vs. low-pitched sounds to resemble bright vs. dark colors—the resemblances evident in various tasks of cross-modal comparison (Marks, 1975; Ward et al., 2006). Where music-color synesthetes see brighter colors in high-pitched notes (e.g., “gold, yellow and white moving … like a rippling stream”: Mulvenna and Walsh, 2005; p. 399), people lacking the induced qualia of synesthesia nevertheless recognize cross-modal similarities.
Cross-modal correspondences often reflect alignments between bipolar dimensions, such as higher pitch being associated with greater lightness, greater brightness, higher vertical location, and smaller size (e.g., Karwoski et al., 1942; Wicker, 1968; Marks, 1974, 1989; Ward et al., 2006). Several auditory-visual correspondences reveal themselves in young children (Marks et al., 1987; Mondloch and Maurer, 2004) and infants (Lewkowicz and Turkewitz, 1980; Walker et al., 2010; Haryu and Kajikawa, 2012), as well as in denizens of disparate cultures: Members of a remote, semi-nomadic, preliterate desert-tribe in southern Africa, having virtually no contact with Western culture, nevertheless overwhelmingly matched lighter gray colors to higher-pitched tones—thereby revealing pitch-lightness correspondence (Mulvenna, 2012).
The tendency for non-synesthetes to perceive similarities between experiences in different domains, despite the absence of secondary qualia, has been called “synesthetic thinking” (Karwoski et al., 1942) and “weak synesthesia” (Martino and Marks, 2001), consistent with the notion that cross-modal correspondence reflects general perceptual and cognitive processes. Further, by capitalizing on cross-modal correspondences, synesthesia too presumably capitalizes on these general processes of perception and cognition (e.g., Karwoski et al., 1942; Marks, 1978; Ward et al., 2006).
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3783847/
― something of an astrological coup (tipsy mothra), Tuesday, 26 November 2013 16:58 (ten years ago) link
Too much time on ILM
http://i.imgur.com/O70lUTI.png
― 乒乓, Tuesday, 26 November 2013 16:59 (ten years ago) link
xp "This collateralized debt obligation is orange," said JP Morgan securities analyst Parker Thornberry, gazing at his iPad. "Credit default swaps are more kind of aquamarine."
― Deafening silence (DL), Tuesday, 26 November 2013 17:00 (ten years ago) link
lol yes
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 26 November 2013 17:01 (ten years ago) link
lol blood avocados too
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 26 November 2013 17:03 (ten years ago) link
listening again now
― markers, Tuesday, 26 November 2013 17:26 (ten years ago) link
markers have you ever had this
http://i.imgur.com/FoSwZyi.jpg
thoughts?
― 乒乓, Tuesday, 26 November 2013 17:28 (ten years ago) link
^big up that
― 乓乒 (gr8080), Tuesday, 26 November 2013 17:30 (ten years ago) link
Is there a secrete Vampre Weekend-Blood Orange connection??
― 乒乓, Tuesday, 26 November 2013 17:30 (ten years ago) link
no i have not
― markers, Tuesday, 26 November 2013 17:30 (ten years ago) link
that is the best sanpel soft drink
― A Skanger Barkley (nakhchivan), Tuesday, 26 November 2013 17:32 (ten years ago) link
the amara one is sweet too
no idea what that word even means
― markers, Tuesday, 26 November 2013 17:32 (ten years ago) link
a lot of musicians do operate on synesthesiac level whether its really a condition or just an approach seeing the colors in music and so forth
― lag∞n, Tuesday, November 26, 2013 10:20 AM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
it was less the sentence about having synesthesia (which even if untrue is obv essential the Dev Hynes mystique & ~feeling things~) than the sentence after where he describes the empire state building as being "a G major ninth” which, LOL bullshit
― rap steve gadd (D-40), Tuesday, 26 November 2013 17:48 (ten years ago) link
the man has feelings damn
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 26 November 2013 17:50 (ten years ago) link
― 乒乓, Tuesday, November 26, 2013 12:30 PM (15 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
the fader article says theyre friends, is that why youre asking, all i know
they shd callabo tho vampy the weeknd could use a lil blood orange rawness their new shit is so zzzzz
Why is that bullshit tho. Are you a synesthete
― 乒乓, Tuesday, 26 November 2013 17:50 (ten years ago) link
xp!
― lag∞n, Tuesday, November 26, 2013 12:50 PM (17 seconds ago) Bookmark
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bkUQ-OBazbc
obviously i agree that vw are zzz but blood orange should be no one's standard of rawness
― lex pretend, Tuesday, 26 November 2013 17:52 (ten years ago) link
i dont think vw are zzz tho just their new album and maybe like sort of their last album, blood orange is obvs p raw tho maybe not standard bearer levels
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 26 November 2013 17:55 (ten years ago) link
nothing raw about blood orange
sterile and vague maybe
― lex pretend, Tuesday, 26 November 2013 17:56 (ten years ago) link
lol at feeling strongly enough about him either way to be throwing up wanker signs tbh, it's just just kinda ambiguous referential apologetically-shuffling-off-this-mortal-coil slop for ppl too daunted by the world to find art in it
as much as i enjoy yr drip coffee approach to making any sense i dont really get either 'referential' or 'apologetic' from his stuff? i also actually haven't heard that much of it though. 'mewling' is probably the airily disapproving adjective of choice for me though, ~in dreams~
tbh i like/am interested in this dudes dbag art school guy moments more than anything else, partly because it seems so completely unapologetic
― ok (Lamp), Tuesday, 26 November 2013 17:56 (ten years ago) link
otm hes living life
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 26 November 2013 17:57 (ten years ago) link
blood orange sanpel is too sweet imo
― socki (s1ocki), Tuesday, 26 November 2013 17:59 (ten years ago) link
all the sanpels are too sweet tbh :(
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 26 November 2013 17:59 (ten years ago) link
rip youth
Blood orange is supposed to be raw it's a frit
― 乒乓, Tuesday, 26 November 2013 17:59 (ten years ago) link
he describes the empire state building as being "a G major ninth”
i can get behind this
― Tip from Tae Kwon Do: (crüt), Tuesday, 26 November 2013 18:00 (ten years ago) link
nice
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 26 November 2013 18:01 (ten years ago) link
or if you meant 'referential' in the sense that his musical progenitors are worn fairly transparently than sure, although how much of that is a condition of living rn is hard to parse, i made the grave mistake of trying to read the HAIM thread last night and it was like eleven hundred posts of critical muggers trying to outdo each other at bludgeoning those young women with forgotten 80s pop moments so i mean, you say you like prince a lot, might as well flaunt it or were in the 'how short was yr skirt that night, young lady' territory anyway
― ok (Lamp), Tuesday, 26 November 2013 18:01 (ten years ago) link
― socki (s1ocki), Tuesday, 26 November 2013 17:59 (2 minutes ago)
have u tried this one
http://www.melburyandappleton.co.uk/ekmps/shops/melburyapple/images/san-pellegrino-chinotto-chino-330ml-4387-p.jpg
― A Skanger Barkley (nakhchivan), Tuesday, 26 November 2013 18:02 (ten years ago) link
― lag∞n, Tuesday, November 26, 2013 12:59 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
reminds me of "white cranberry" juice... no such thing as white cranberries, it's just a version of the juice with a ton more sugar pumped in
(i know there are such thing as blood oranges... but if anything they're more tart than the regs)
― socki (s1ocki), Tuesday, 26 November 2013 18:02 (ten years ago) link
i've tried sanpel chinotto but i dont know if thats the same one
― socki (s1ocki), Tuesday, 26 November 2013 18:03 (ten years ago) link
italian kids at my jr high used to drink a lot of brio chinotto, i always just assumed it was a weird italian coke
the fader article calls his look early 80s but its so obvs late 80s
― lag∞n, Tuesday, 26 November 2013 18:03 (ten years ago) link
san pellis arent good sodas theyre the spelt of bread cmon
― ok (Lamp), Tuesday, 26 November 2013 18:04 (ten years ago) link
What the heck at Sanpel Chino
That looks like some kind of Mountain Dew Code Red Xtreme rebranding
― 乒乓, Tuesday, 26 November 2013 18:04 (ten years ago) link
that is my favourite fake cyrillic drink
― A Skanger Barkley (nakhchivan), Tuesday, 26 November 2013 18:05 (ten years ago) link