Can we talk about early-mid70s West Coast post-psych/pop/rock/folk-rock/country-rock?

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― fact checking cuz (fcc), Wednesday, 20 October 2004 20:51 (twenty-one years ago)

How is that book about LA? i forget the name but i wanna say it's taken from a doors song? i haven't read more than a magazine in a long, long time. is it a page turner?

― JaXoN (JasonD), Wednesday, 20 October 2004 22:22 (twenty-one years ago)

oh, it's called Waiting For the Sun by Barney Hoskyns

― JaXoN (JasonD), Thursday, 21 October 2004 01:15 (twenty-one years ago)

Come to think of it, Roseanne is *from* California. She told an interviewer that she and her mother and sisters lived on the side of a mountain and Johnny would helicopter in between tours. Later they moved to town and lived in a house Johnny bought from Johnny Carson. Oh yeah, the Byrds: YOUNGER THAN YESTERDAY, don't think anybody's mentioened that yet. Kaleidescope (not the British one though, the cali one had David Lindley, who played on a lotta big country-rock albums) were really good, kind of folk-rock, but also blues and Middle Eastern (like Turkish elements, for inst.) Speaking of Limdley he and Ry Cooder have a track on that new Zevon trib; so does Dylan, Springsteen, Billy Bob Thornton (?), Adam Sandler ("Werewolves of London"!). See bn.com.

― Don, Thursday, 21 October 2004 04:15 (twenty-one years ago)

why is lindsay buckingham so revered. is it as a guitarist? songwriter? arranger?

personally, i find him to be one of the best guitarists to walk the face of the earth, equally for his skill as his non-showiness. some of his fingerpicking work blows my mind six ways from sunday. also he is hott, writes amazing songs, and his crazy production work never fails to impress my small brane.

― the surface noise (slight return) (electricsound), Thursday, 21 October 2004 04:29 (twenty-one years ago)

Yeah, Buckingham has one crazy mind. JaXoN, Zevon's been mentioned here a couple of times, but you should definitely check out his self-titled album on Asylum. (Technically not his debut, but he considered it as such, having disowned the much earlier 'Wanted Dead or Alive.') One of the very best albums ever to come out of California, and to my mind the best thing the label ever put out. The reason I miss him most.

― Rickey Wright (Rrrickey), Thursday, 21 October 2004 04:53 (twenty-one years ago)

How could we forgot the Crazy Horse albums (the ones w/o his Neilness)?

― mottdeterre (mottdeterre), Thursday, 21 October 2004 07:10 (twenty-one years ago)

Carolaaay!

― willem (willem), Thursday, 21 October 2004 07:13 (twenty-one years ago)

i love spences "oar." nail in the coffin of a whole sensibility at its best, pretty damned funny otherwise.

thomas jefferson kaye's "first grade" is this album on dunhill, about '73 i think. "american lovers" is a great song, written by becker and fagen. kaye wrote "one man band" covered by three dog night, and he does a version on this album, which is pretty obscure. xgau liked it a lot--that's where i learned about it. worth finding.

moby grape's "21 granite creek" and "truly fine citizen" are worth tracking down on LP; "truly fine" is not avail. on cd; "21" is only avail. on one of those lousy matthew katz san fran sound reissues. they're both somewhat underrated examples of this sound.

― eddie hurt (ddduncan), Thursday, 21 October 2004 15:40 (twenty-one years ago)

> Waiting For the Sun by Barney Hoskyns

I found this book absolutely fascinating. Hoskyns sets himself up as something of an outsider to it all (no surprise that) but accumulated enough first-hand info that it reads in many places almost as an oral history. I was gripped by it, but my tastes don't sync well with most ILMers, so YMMV.

― Joseph McCombs (Joseph McCombs), Thursday, 21 October 2004 20:07 (twenty-one years ago)

A great big second for Thomas Jefferson Kaye's "First Grade" and many thanks for reminding me of it! It goes on when I get home tonight. "American Lovers" is the great lost Steely Dan song; also, Dusty Springfield is all over the album doing back-up vocals. It was her big outing during her "help, I've fallen down in L.A. and can't get up" period. She was also on Bob Neuwirth's "Bob Neuwirth" album, another contender for the so-fucked-up-it-could-only-have-crawled-from-L.A. crown. Which brings us to an earlier question asked on this thread: Why Lindsey Buckingham? Because he's another master chronicler of the weird that is West Coast.

― mottdeterre (mottdeterre), Thursday, 21 October 2004 22:19 (twenty-one years ago)

"That's How We Do It in L.A."

― Rickey Wright (Rrrickey), Friday, 22 October 2004 05:42 (twenty-one years ago)

Who are the Mellow Mafia? is that just the name for LA studio cats?

― JaXoN (JasonD), Friday, 22 October 2004 16:25 (twenty-one years ago)

one year passes...

Twin Engine, a long lost duo who only saw their album come out 30 years after it was recorded, are in this category, but have a more pop, almost bubblegum sound. nice.

― timmy tannin (pompous), Saturday, 8 July 2006 20:23 (nineteen years ago)

eight months pass...

At lunch this afternoon I found a cheap-o album by some group called the Quinaimes Band. It's on Elektra from 1971, and it's got Danny 'Kootch' Kortchmar playing some guitar. Seems to be zero information about it online, except some BOMP thread which says they're kinda half-remains of some garage rock group called the Myddle Class, who the Velvets supported at an early & wild high-school show. It was a quid. Anyone heard it??

Anyway, looks comfortably early-mid 70s W.C.P.P.P.R.F.F.C.R. from the cover...

― gnarly sceptre, Thursday, 5 April 2007 14:30 (nineteen years ago)

I haven't heard it. I poked around the internet and found out bill keith plays pedal steel on it, which is me totally excited. Keith is a backbone of the West Coast sound. Damn, Please report back with what you hear.

I'm no spinning New Riders' Powerglide LP. Awesome. American Beauty meets Merle meets Obscured by Clouds.

― QuantumNoise, Thursday, 5 April 2007 14:42 (nineteen years ago)

too many typos...

― QuantumNoise, Thursday, 5 April 2007 14:43 (nineteen years ago)

Two titles to "Search":

The City-Now Everything's Been Said

Carole King's California band from '68. Kind of a dress rehearsal for her more famous solo work, containing her versions of "Hi-De-Ho" and "I Wasn't Born To Follow" (which actually pales in comparison to the Byrds and especially Dusty Springfield's covers). Sadly OOP at the moment too.

Louie & The Lovers-Rise

Discovered and produced by Doug Sahm during his Frisco period, these guys were an all-Chicano band that came off as a Byrds-CCR hybrid. Their one surviving LP is chock full of great songs with loads of lovely harmonies. The reish on Acadia adds a stray single and features thorough liner notes from Ed Ward.

― C. Grisso/McCain, Thursday, 5 April 2007 15:28 (nineteen years ago)

Actually, just checking out some of the other people on this Quinaimes record....

Two Fugs and vocals buy a guy called Dave Palmer, aka the Steely Dan vocalist from Can't Buy a Thrill! Didn't really know anything else about the guy until now. Sez here he was in an unappreciated group called Wha-Koo. One to ask my Dad about, I reckon...

― gnarly sceptre, Thursday, 5 April 2007 15:31 (nineteen years ago)

BTW, what do you guys think about Emitt Rhodes? I've got two of his solo albums (the self-titled one and Mirror) on vinyl awhile back, but don't remember listening to them.

― C. Grisso/McCain, Thursday, 5 April 2007 15:35 (nineteen years ago)

Rhodes is a definite talent, a true pop songwriter. But I can only take him in small doses. After a while, his songs start to sound alike to these ears. I feel the same about Merry-Go-Round. After taking in that seemingly exhaustive compilation, I think I only need about half those tracks to get the MGR experience.

I've been digging the Rising Sons comp as of late. Wow. Taj Mahal. Ry Cooder. These dudes totally nailed some kind of Don Covay, Moby Grape, Dead hybrid, except they were three years ahead of schedule.

― QuantumNoise, Thursday, 5 April 2007 15:46 (nineteen years ago)

"Anyone heard it??"

i never thought it was that great. er, the first quinaimes band album. but what do i know? i like emmitt rhodes though!

― scott seward, Thursday, 5 April 2007 15:56 (nineteen years ago)

I was gonna look for a 'California rock' thread yesterday and this pops up! While placed on hold I heard Nicolette Larson's "Lotta Love" for probably the 1,000,000th time and it just clicked all of a sudden, great song, and I LOVE this sound(i've worn out Suzi Quatro's "Stumblin In" for a few years now). Or is this too soft for the thread? ILM has barely mentioned her, I'm looking for her first album in any case.

― tremendoid, Thursday, 5 April 2007 16:20 (nineteen years ago)

I've heard for the first time this week and getting all mellow with the Linda Perhacs' record Parallelograms - seek this out for Cali mellow pop psych - fo sur'

― BlackIronPrison, Thursday, 5 April 2007 16:59 (nineteen years ago)

what's the deal with this?! http://www.lindaperhacs.com/pages/press.html

Bizarre but true, this is Linda Perhacs's story. And it's a story that keeps getting better. She's writing again and finding "floods of new material" coming forth. There's a new album to come later this year, 35 years after her first, Parallelograms, and among the contributors will be Devendra Banhart, one of the much-celebrated young alternative folkies who claim Perhacs as inspiration and have been singing her praises in interviews for several years.

― jaxon, Thursday, 5 April 2007 20:47 (nineteen years ago)

WHEN IS EVERYONE GONNA GET ON THE GODDAMN POCO BANDWAGON WITH ME!!!??? JEEZUS, *A GOOD FEELIN' TO KNOW* FRIGGIN' PWNZ HALF THE SHIT MENTIONED ON THIS THREAD. okay, i'll stop shouting.

― scott seward, Thursday, 5 April 2007 21:34 (nineteen years ago)

the best group on this thread is SPIRIT, whose best album is FEEDBACK.

linda perhacs is OK, but carole king / joni mitchell are better!!!

― moonship journey to baja, Thursday, 5 April 2007 21:36 (nineteen years ago)

among the contributors will be Devendra Banhart, one of the much-celebrated young alternative folkies who claim Perhacs as inspiration and have been singing her praises in interviews for several years.

Perhacs nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!

― admrl, Thursday, 5 April 2007 21:36 (nineteen years ago)

I'm so fucking down with Poco, especially after I recently heard the first record blasted over a club PA. In fact the first three or four have some really great tunes. but you know what i like even better? the first two pure prairie league records. yes, they're from ohio. but man, that's some great country-rock.

― QuantumNoise, Thursday, 5 April 2007 21:38 (nineteen years ago)

ILM IS ALL LIKE HMMMM I RILLY LIKE NEIL YOUNG AND I RILLY LIKE COUNTRY ROCK HMMM WHAT SHOULD I LISTEN TO??? POCO MOTHERFUCKER POCO!!!

― scott seward, Thursday, 5 April 2007 21:39 (nineteen years ago)

quantum noise is on the chuckwagon. good to hear. YER EITHER ON THE CHUCKWAGON OR YER OFF OF IT!

― scott seward, Thursday, 5 April 2007 21:39 (nineteen years ago)

poco-wise, i can vouch for everything up to and including crazy eyes:

# 1969 Pickin' Up the Pieces
# 1970 Poco
# 1971 Deliverin'
# 1971 From The Inside
# 1972 A Good Feelin’ To Know
# 1973 Crazy Eyes

― scott seward, Thursday, 5 April 2007 21:47 (nineteen years ago)

but Almost Famous made me think I would hate them

― Shakey Mo Collier, Thursday, 5 April 2007 21:48 (nineteen years ago)

next mix i post on ilm i'll do a countryrock/stonedcowboy/countryfolkrockpop mix.

― scott seward, Thursday, 5 April 2007 21:48 (nineteen years ago)

ooooh bring it

― Shakey Mo Collier, Thursday, 5 April 2007 21:50 (nineteen years ago)

yes, a mix!

i've picked up some gems recently:

charley d and mile LP (i learned about it on one of ilm's country-rock/west coast threads): country jangle, with red rhodes on pedal steel.

also, the first three, four, five (i can't remember) nitty gritty dirt albums are pretty damn good, especially the one with "mr. bojangles." their version of buddy holly's "rave on" is like west coast, country-glam. great guitar sound.

muleskinner CD: holy crap. it's like the amped-up, stoner-future bluegrass SHOULD have had back in the early 70s. furious playing. massive production. clarence white picking. sweet.

― QuantumNoise, Thursday, 5 April 2007 23:05 (nineteen years ago)

Nitty Gritty Dirt Band are so unbelievably great

― Shakey Mo Collier, Thursday, 5 April 2007 23:06 (nineteen years ago)

*Uncle Charlie & His Dog Teddy* and *Symphonion Dream* are my fave Nitty Gritty Dirt Band albums. Both from the early 70's. I like the 60's stuff too though.

― scott seward, Thursday, 5 April 2007 23:11 (nineteen years ago)

I lean towards the 70s stuff, as my intro to them was "Will the Circle Be Unbroken"

― Shakey Mo Collier, Thursday, 5 April 2007 23:12 (nineteen years ago)

There's a restaurant in my town called Firefall Grill. Sadly, their commercials feature no Firefall music.

That's a shame because hearing "Goddamn, girl, can't you see? I sure do love this roasted beef..." on the radio would make my day.

― Pleasant Plains, Thursday, 5 April 2007 23:12 (nineteen years ago)

I've been digging the two West albums I bought recently. country/folk/pop produced by Bob Johnston. But I think they are both late-60's so forget i mentioned them on this thread.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v500/dantiques/38000b/38839.jpg

― scott seward, Thursday, 5 April 2007 23:19 (nineteen years ago)

I bumped another thread recently to tell everyone that the Willis Alan Ramsey album is pretty damn righteous. please search ASAP.

Any love for Jonathan Edwards..."honky tonk stardust cowboy"? not bad!

― Johnny Hotcox, Thursday, 5 April 2007 23:52 (nineteen years ago)

When did the first Nashville West album come out? It's maybe outside your time frame but you still need to hear it. Clarence White's guitar playing is so good on that record. One of my favorite performances ever.

― leavethecapital, Friday, 6 April 2007 02:59 (nineteen years ago)

i keep forgetting about the west coast angle of this thread. i don't know what this thread is about anymore. it has made me put on lots of country/goodtime/boogie/folk-rock albums tonight though.

now playing:

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― scott seward, Friday, 6 April 2007 03:19 (nineteen years ago)

Jaxon, wherever he is, DEFINITELY needs that first Thomas Jefferson Kaye record on Dunhill. It's basically a country-rock Steely Dan album. Becker & Fagen are all over it. Gary Katz produced. really good. Even Xgau liked it and he hates everything I like. Mostly:

"Like the Triumvirate album he produced for John Hammond, Mike Bloomfield, and Dr. John, Kaye's debut was sensually laid-back, with a sly intelligence he hoped to pass off as an active relationship with his environment. But this one stands beside Eric Clapton's 461 Ocean Boulevard as a critique of the laid-back mode. The secret is the covers, which I bet producer Gary Katz (also of Steely Dan) had something to do with--especially since the whole album centers around Fagen & Becker's bitter, poignant farewell to the counterculture, "American Lovers." Together with Loudon Wainwright's painful "Say That You Love Me" and natural boogies from Link Wray and Dr. John, it puts such Kaye titles as "Northern California" and "Easy Kind of Feeling" into the ironic perspective the artist intends. Maybe this is Katz rather than Kaye--but when you hear Kaye describe a "new religion/Called everything's gonna be all right," you won't think so. A"

― scott seward, Friday, 6 April 2007 03:29 (nineteen years ago)

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― danbunny, Friday, 6 April 2007 03:31 (nineteen years ago)

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― danbunny, Friday, 6 April 2007 03:39 (nineteen years ago)

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Here's a playlist I made that's a replica of a 2006 Ace / Big Beat CD comp:

Country & West Coast: The Birth of Country Rock

some of the tracks weren't available, so i had to improvise, but it's 95% the same.

― budo jeru, Tuesday, 20 June 2023 17:56 (two years ago)

Thanks!! Outlaws and Armadillos is another that could do with playlist tweak, not nec. re availability issues, but as xgau said, some of it is right artists, wrong tracks.

― dow, Tuesday, 20 June 2023 18:47 (two years ago)

four months pass...

i haven't listened to this one in a long time. there is good stuff on it. sounds way better on vinyl. i mean, it would sound better than rando youtube upload. but if you see a cheap copy maybe pick it up.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hf-W142qnsk

― scott seward, Friday, 27 October 2023 13:46 (two years ago)

six months pass...

Will check, thanks. I once went out with a girl who said that her mother dated noted rock musician "Donnie" Preston---dunno if she meant this guy or the one who worked with Zappa (back then I thought there was just the latter, so Donnie was him, farm out!)
Numero is having a Pre-Father's Day Sale, including the xxxxxxxxxpost comp Wayfaring Strangers: Cosmic American Music, which is what Gram Parsons called his approach, scorning the tag "country rock," AKA "plastic dry-fuck," in his taxonomy. These early adopters are complete unknowns to me, and I haven't listened yet, but what the hell, it's all here on Bandcamp, where vinyl and CD are Sold Out, though Numero site may have more, unless sold out since sale announcement,which I just got today)(also note links to other Wayfaring and Seafaring releases on here)
https://wayfaringstrangers.bandcamp.com/album/wayfaring-strangers-cosmic-american-music

― dow, Saturday, 25 May 2024 20:06 (two years ago)

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