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it also has "put a straw under baby" which is dumb. really only warm jets and green world get by without songs I have to skip (and, I don't like I'll come running all that much either).

If I say I like Nerve Net will everyone hate me?

― kyle (akmonday), Wednesday, 2 June 2004 21:45 (twenty-two years ago)

If they fucked '..merges with the night' that would be a shame 'cause its the best song on that record (yeah i know always a hard choice).

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Wednesday, 2 June 2004 21:47 (twenty-two years ago)

If you already have the Eno CDs, but want the reissues, I'd actually pick these up in reverse chronological order (excepting the possibly fucked up Another Green World), as the remasters make the most difference on the later albums. Before And After Science sounds quite improved with the reissue, whereas Here Come The Warm Jets sounds slightly better.

― donut bitch (donut), Wednesday, 2 June 2004 22:11 (twenty-two years ago)

have a look here for more info and plenty of overwrought Paul Morley commentary:

http://www.astralwerks.com/eno/reissue.html

― rh, Thursday, 3 June 2004 01:40 (twenty-two years ago)

"Becalmed" was on Another Green World. Nerve Net is not uninteresting. And I love overwrought Paul Morley commentary.

― Naive Teen Idol (Naive Teen Idol), Thursday, 3 June 2004 01:44 (twenty-two years ago)

whoops! sorry about that. it's not even my favorite eno instrumental now that i think of it.

― gygax! (gygax!), Thursday, 3 June 2004 02:10 (twenty-two years ago)

Before And After Science for beginners, AGW for the initiated.

"Becalmed" is my favorite on AGW.

"Kings Lead Hat" is not dumb. It is a perfect pop song.

But like kjoerup I'm tired of reissues. I'd much rather spend my time learning about and chasing down things that are new to me. And one wonders...will these things just get released again in 10 or 20 years when technology is even better? And will we still buy them?

― Bimble (bimble), Thursday, 3 June 2004 03:05 (twenty-two years ago)

rosalie, i've been waiting all evening
possibly inside your nose

Yeah. Like, that's what he's really singing...

Errrrrrrrrrrrrrrr, it's Eno, that might well be what he's singing

― Dadaismus (Dada), Thursday, 3 June 2004 08:56 (twenty-two years ago)

As I said somewhere else on ILx, I'm not sure that Warm Jets benefits from being "cleaned up"; I prefer it all fuzzy and indistinct.

I'm not tired of reissues. If it's a choice between Here Come The Warm Jets (in whatever sonic state) and the Junior Boys, then I'm happy to be content with "old" things.

― Marcello Carlin, Thursday, 3 June 2004 09:35 (twenty-two years ago)

"All of them are old, none of them are new
Some of them will turn up when you least expect them to"

― Dadaismus (Dada), Thursday, 3 June 2004 09:36 (twenty-two years ago)

I've never listened much to Eno, but really like Here come the warm jets as a single (only heard it on some DJ mix thing). Am I going to be disappointed if I buy this remastered album then?

― chris (chris), Thursday, 3 June 2004 09:55 (twenty-two years ago)

I have the previous CD issues, and sonically they don't seem too bad to me. How much better are the new versions? Have they been sonic-maximised?

― Pashmina (Pashmina), Thursday, 3 June 2004 10:01 (twenty-two years ago)

Morley marvellously on these: http://www.astralwerks.com/eno/albums.html

Sorry if you've already seen this.

― Tim (Tim), Thursday, 3 June 2004 10:09 (twenty-two years ago)

a master at work and at play.

petridish reviewing the four eno reissues:
"Throughout pop history bands and artists have insisted on making arty records with no tunes, as opposed to what people want to hear... (introduction drones on for another 500 words, namechecking Kid A, Faust Tapes and Metal Machine Music) ...and there are pop stars who can't play any instruments (crawls on for another 500 words, namechecking Sid Vicious, Bez and Lena Zavaroni before saying that Eno's solo albums aren't worth bothering with because all classical music sounds the same)"

― Marcello Carlin, Thursday, 3 June 2004 10:26 (twenty-two years ago)

Surely you jest or surely he jests?

― Dadaismus (Dada), Thursday, 3 June 2004 10:27 (twenty-two years ago)

...finishing by saying that Bryan Ferry will always be better than Eno because Eno could never write a decent tune like Let's Stick Together or marry Jerry Hall.

― Marcello Carlin, Thursday, 3 June 2004 10:45 (twenty-two years ago)

Eno had Julie Christie who would want a horse-faced Texan after that?

― Dadaismus (Dada), Thursday, 3 June 2004 10:46 (twenty-two years ago)

whereupon petridish would say that julie christie only ever turns up in arty-farty films rather than films people actually want to watch, e.g. martine mccutcheon.

― Marcello Carlin, Thursday, 3 June 2004 10:50 (twenty-two years ago)

Ha ha. Bloody "Billy Liar", elitist rubbish!

― Dadaismus (Dada), Thursday, 3 June 2004 10:52 (twenty-two years ago)

Quite, Dadaismus. ;)

Unbelievable comments from this Petridis... it's not music writing, I'm afraid, of any kind I would acknowledge.

One would have thought that these Eno albums would have been good enough on t' tune front - it's great, displaced pop music - for such Luddites, yet clearly he's not listened to them at all. Or is playing up to some sort of image; sounds a rehash of his PJ Harvey 'thoughts'.

― Tom May (Tom May), Thursday, 3 June 2004 12:24 (twenty-two years ago)

sorry tom, it was just me guessing at what petridish would write.

in reality he'd probably give the grauniad review to someone like adam sweeting to write 100 words of nothing about.

― Marcello Carlin, Thursday, 3 June 2004 13:43 (twenty-two years ago)

Oooooooooh you little liar!

― Dadaismus (Dada), Thursday, 3 June 2004 13:45 (twenty-two years ago)

One does sense that he might file these records away as 'difficult' though... Anyone attacking Faust, Captain Beefheart, Sun Ra et al clearly wants his sounds straightforward, which all these Enos certainly aren't. He's hardly going to take to the use of the Portsmouth Sinfonia, eh...?
What sort of music does this writer actually like...? Sounds Hornbyite. I admit I have not read a great number of his reviews, but then I've never really taken the Guardian as too good on music. I suppose they have had Morley writing on occasion, and a few of those pieces were as amusing as he is wont to be.

Sounds a real waste if they've messed up the remaster of AGW, as it's just about my favourite 'pop-period Eno', mood-wise at least.

― Tom May (Tom May), Thursday, 3 June 2004 17:39 (twenty-two years ago)

Amen.

― Bimble (bimble), Friday, 4 June 2004 05:55 (twenty-two years ago)

Sounds a real waste if they've messed up the remaster of AGW

― Bimble (bimble), Friday, 4 June 2004 06:03 (twenty-two years ago)

nine months pass...

Shit, I just bought "More Music From Films" the other day--should I open it?

― John 2, Sunday, 3 April 2005 16:21 (twenty-one years ago)

if you wish to play it in your CD player, then yes.

― latebloomer: AKA Sir Teddy Ruxpin, Former Scientologist (latebloomer), Sunday, 3 April 2005 20:31 (twenty-one years ago)

Bits sound as if they are excerpts from the 2-track group jams that Eno put together for 'Another Green World'; but these are the sections he never finished or overdubbed further -- so it's a CD of the tape fading up for 45-60 seconds worth, then down again. Definitely does not flow like an album.

Some 'ANG' tracks appear in slightly different versions. Some of the tracks are barely distinguishable 'alternate' mixes of pieces from 'Music For Films' volume I, the last few tracks are rough versions of the drones from 'Apollo'. Incredibly annoying liner notes, 43 minutes long.

― milton parker (Jon L), Monday, 4 April 2005 06:19 (twenty-one years ago)

Ah, sorry. I was refering to the batch that we messed up--similar to 'green world'---as heard here in the top review:

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B0007GFFVG/qid=1112633362/sr=8-1/ref=pd_csp_1/104-0855610-6327942?v=glance&s=music&n=507846

― John 2, Monday, 4 April 2005 15:50 (twenty-one years ago)

one month passes...

How significant is the increase in sound quality on these reissues? Now that these new versions are out, loads of the original issues are being traded in and can be found cheap and readily.

$15 new version or $10 used old version?

Or are there some albums that are worth getting the reissues of, and some that are not? Hopefully someone with a keen ear can lend some advice.

― JBC (flamingrev), Thursday, 19 May 2005 16:47 (twenty-one years ago)

Some stores have been selling the reissues new for $10.. so I've just been diving in on those deals, and selling the old ones back (although at this point, there's no more old Eno CDs for me to sell back.. although I have to check to see if my AGW CD has that fuckup on "Everything Merges With The Night")

― donut debonair (donut), Thursday, 19 May 2005 16:52 (twenty-one years ago)

As far as sound quality goes, I think the new ones certainly sound better.. the greatest sound quality improvement has been on Before And After Science, if I had to choose one. But I think Music For Films sounds significantly better too..

― donut debonair (donut), Thursday, 19 May 2005 16:54 (twenty-one years ago)

Also, on Here Come The Warm Jets, the original CD issue had some fuckups on "Blank Frank". It sounds like the master tapes were catching on something earlier in the song for brief moments, which added a neat effect, but was distracting. I believe they are gone now on the reissues.

― donut debonair (donut), Thursday, 19 May 2005 16:55 (twenty-one years ago)

Wait, you're telling me that "Blank Frank" momentary slow-down thing isn't intentional? The music stays in time and on beat! That's my favorite part of the song! It sounds like it's playing on a record and someone spun it back a measure. Say it ain't so!

― n/a (Nick A.), Thursday, 19 May 2005 17:35 (twenty-one years ago)

I'd have to listen again.. there are two specific moments.. there's one at the beginning, and one later that happens on the sound of a tom drum. The latter is the one that sounds coolest.

― donut debonair (donut), Thursday, 19 May 2005 17:42 (twenty-one years ago)

he's not talking about the part of the song where everything slows down (xpost)

― kyle (akmonday), Thursday, 19 May 2005 17:43 (twenty-one years ago)

I think Eno would appreciate this debate.

― Naive Teen Idol (Naive Teen Idol), Thursday, 19 May 2005 17:46 (twenty-one years ago)

It doesn't really slow down, I didn't really explain it right. I'm talking about the part at beginning of the song, in the first line "Blank Frank is the messenger of your doom and your destruction." While the word "destruction" is being stretched out, there's a part where it "hiccups" (for lack of a better word) but stays on beat, like a record or reel-to-reel tape being spun back really fast, and it's awesome. So that was an accident?

― n/a (Nick A.), Thursday, 19 May 2005 18:00 (twenty-one years ago)

I think that was an accident. I'd have to relisten on the remasters. If it's not on the remasters, it was a mistake.

It happens again, later on but on the sound of the tom drum.

So, yeah, Nick and I are talking about the same thing. It's not a full tempo slowdown, it's a hiccup, not unlike accidentally pressing down on a spinning record for a split second, or -- more likely in this case -- a reel-to-reel tape where some splicing tape got caught on something while whirling around.

― donut debonair (donut), Thursday, 19 May 2005 18:19 (twenty-one years ago)

Which makes it a pretty cool accident, because it seems like a very "Eno" thing to do, like something he'd do on purpose. Has anyone else seen that footage of Roxy Music doing "In Every Dream Home a Heartache" on German TV and during the big solo at the end, Eno's messing with like four big reel-to-reel tape machines set up on stage behind him? It's the coolest.

― n/a (Nick A.), Thursday, 19 May 2005 18:27 (twenty-one years ago)

where would i see that??

― Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Thursday, 19 May 2005 20:10 (twenty-one years ago)

Yeah, that DVD of the German TV appearances is awesome! It actually made me appreciate the Bryan Ferry a lot more. I can't believe that the vocal effect on Blank Frank was an accident though. If so, I'm definitely keeping my old CD because that's one of the best parts.

― walter kranz (walterkranz), Thursday, 19 May 2005 20:23 (twenty-one years ago)

Here it is:
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B00006AUID/103-9666175-1566228?v=glance

― walter kranz (walterkranz), Thursday, 19 May 2005 20:24 (twenty-one years ago)

I've got that DVD, am., I can show it to you the next time you're over.

― n/a (Nick A.), Thursday, 19 May 2005 20:27 (twenty-one years ago)

Thanks for the link to the DVD, I just bought one

― milton parker (Jon L), Thursday, 19 May 2005 20:31 (twenty-one years ago)

Oh I should have said that the one Sarah got me has a different cover and was like super-el-cheapo. But maybe it's not the full version or something. There are about 5 T-Rex songs and 5 RM songs.

― n/a (Nick A.), Thursday, 19 May 2005 20:41 (twenty-one years ago)

this reminds me of when i downloaded a luomo mp3 that had an error in it, it sort of jump-cutted to a different part of the song. i always thought it was the neatest effect, almost "cinematic" (bleah), but then i found out 2 years later it was an encoding error or something!

― s1ocki (slutsky), Thursday, 19 May 2005 20:51 (twenty-one years ago)

four years pass...

These jewel case Eno CDs I imagine are the same remasters? Anyone found them or or the digipaks going cheap anywhere>

― PaulTMA, Wednesday, 12 May 2010 10:13 (sixteen years ago)

Yup, the jewel case CD's are the same. I managed to grab a couple of them for £7 in Fopp recently. Amazon had the whole bunch for around the same price the last time I checked.

― AnotherDeadHero, Wednesday, 12 May 2010 10:45 (sixteen years ago)

Go for the jexel cases if you can, the plastic sleeve surround on the digipaks is so tight it's practically impossible to extract thge digipaks without fucking them up slightly.

― double shyamalan (MaresNest), Wednesday, 12 May 2010 13:25 (sixteen years ago)

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Awesome, really looking forward to this. I have a copy of Apollo but it’s a little beat up and skips sometimes. Plus I think Eno is currently making the beat music he’s made since...Apollo

― these are not all of the possible side effects (Karl Malone), Thursday, 9 May 2019 03:47 (seven years ago)

^best^ music, I meant. So I’m looking forward to the new tracks!

― these are not all of the possible side effects (Karl Malone), Thursday, 9 May 2019 03:48 (seven years ago)

Roger’s second record, Between Tides, is exceptional. Apollo is maybe a bit overrated but I’m looming forward to this.

― Naive Teen Idol, Saturday, 11 May 2019 20:39 (seven years ago)

Song here: https://open.spotify.com/track/7jUONYw71MlhFeEC7IZKQd?si=NMEx-Iw5SZCOhc__204X7Q

― Naive Teen Idol, Saturday, 11 May 2019 20:41 (seven years ago)

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