― Andy K (Andy K), Friday, 13 June 2003 00:40 (twenty-three years ago)
What in tarnation?
― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Friday, 13 June 2003 00:42 (twenty-three years ago)
TS: Miccio's Bono-dancing or Paul Stanley's foxy-dancing!
― Tad (llamasfur), Friday, 13 June 2003 01:57 (twenty-three years ago)
― fortunate hazel (f. hazel), Friday, 13 June 2003 02:09 (twenty-three years ago)
Andy and Ned have summed it up quite well. Most of the ideas are still present - disco punk (albeit more "30 Frames A Second" than "I Travel", crazy synths, sound collage, weird lyrics - but whereas on Empires & Dance the band focus that down to a relatively consistent thematic approach, Reel To Real is more all over the place. On the one hand, there's more "proper" punkish songs like "Citizen", "Changeling" and "Calling Your Name" (all of which put me in mind of a funkier, glammier Joy Division), and on the other there's quite a few weird but really engaging instrumentals and just totally fucked-up stuff like "Naked Eye" and "Carnival", both of which sound like the backing music for a circus organised by violently pathological schizophrenics. Also Kerr sounds like he's flipping out the entire time, whereas on E&D he sounds much more abstracted/distant.
In many ways I like the "idea" of Empires & Dance a bit more - the collision of dub, disco and punk, basically - but Reel To Real Cacophony has more killer cuts eg. the wonderful "Premonition". I love some of the really outthere stuff on E&D like "This Fear of Gods" but I'm always vaguely disappointed that there aren't more uptempo numbers like "I Travel".
― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Friday, 13 June 2003 02:57 (twenty-three years ago)
Listening to the old albums this week has been a great but disorienting experience: as a kid, I always blamed SM's downfall on Jim Kerr and his pseudo-evangelical sub-Bono turn, but what's struck me is that even in the good days he was *always* a ham -- maybe more cryptic and less puffed-up, but the Euro affectations on E&D ("hey waiter, I'm first class") now seem like they're cut from the same cloth.
Which leads me to conclude that what really changed was the *music* -- and for some reason, that had never occurred to me before. Maybe because they were often so trance-y and grandiose on the good stuff, it was easy to miss the tight propulsiveness behind it... whereas "Alive and Kicking" is just shapeless, there's no rhythmic backbone holding it together at all. I seem to recall that the bass player defected to Propaganda's touring band between Sparkle and Once Upon A Time, which in retrospect makes a lot of sense (on both sides of the equation -- Propaganda had a lot of the same grandeur, but always with an eye on the dancefloor).
― Sean Thomas (sgthomas), Friday, 13 June 2003 03:45 (twenty-three years ago)
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 13 June 2003 04:17 (twenty-three years ago)
― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Friday, 13 June 2003 05:41 (twenty-three years ago)
Is that the Kibble Palace in on the back of the sleeve to Celebration?
They could perhaps win the prize for quickest dive from heroes to arse in rock. Street Fighting Years is terrible.
I watched them for a bit at Glastonbury in '95 and it was quite funny; Jim Kerr was leaping around as if he was in front of an audience of 50,000 adoring fans, and in fact there were about 500 bored crusties.
― Keith Watson (kmw), Thursday, 10 June 2004 19:50 (twenty-two years ago)
― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Friday, 11 June 2004 10:11 (twenty-two years ago)
1. Life in a Day (Burchill/Kerr) - 4:06 2. Chelsea Girl (Burchill/Kerr) - 4:34 3. Premonition (Kerr/Simple Minds) - 5:29 4. Factory (Kerr/Simple Minds) - 4:15 5. Calling Your Name (Kerr/Simple Minds) - 5:07 6. I Travel (Kerr/Simple Minds) - 4:02 7. Changeling (Kerr/Simple Minds) - 4:13 8. Celebrate (Kerr/Simple Minds) - 5:10 9. Thirty Frames a Second (Kerr/Simple Minds) - 6:54 10. Kaleidoscope (Kerr/Simple Minds) - 4:17
― Mark, Friday, 11 June 2004 12:20 (twenty-two years ago)
― Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Friday, 11 June 2004 12:23 (twenty-two years ago)
― Mark (MarkR), Friday, 11 June 2004 13:31 (twenty-two years ago)
― Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Friday, 11 June 2004 13:36 (twenty-two years ago)
― M Specktor, Friday, 11 June 2004 14:35 (twenty-two years ago)
― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Saturday, 12 June 2004 00:18 (twenty-two years ago)
(Though I love both "Changeling" and "30 Frames..")
You're right, however. The earlier records are stranger, and appealingly so.
― M Specktor, Saturday, 12 June 2004 00:40 (twenty-two years ago)
― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Saturday, 12 June 2004 00:41 (twenty-two years ago)
― Stacey Pollen (Andy K), Saturday, 12 June 2004 00:55 (twenty-two years ago)
Wait that reminds me I must propose to Dan. Oh wait there's a problem there...
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 12 June 2004 01:08 (twenty-two years ago)
I'd probably have more posts than you if it weren't for Tim.
― Stacey Pollen (Andy K), Saturday, 12 June 2004 01:15 (twenty-two years ago)
― Stacey Pollen (Andy K), Saturday, 12 June 2004 01:18 (twenty-two years ago)
― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Saturday, 12 June 2004 01:19 (twenty-two years ago)
Tracer your euphamisms flow so naturally.
― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Saturday, 12 June 2004 01:20 (twenty-two years ago)
― Stacey Pollen (Andy K), Saturday, 12 June 2004 01:21 (twenty-two years ago)
I know that! HMPH. I'll spare my jokes on other people!
(Baby still coming along okay?)
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 12 June 2004 01:30 (twenty-two years ago)
― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Saturday, 12 June 2004 01:44 (twenty-two years ago)
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 12 April 2005 03:11 (twenty-one years ago)
I cannae stand anything post-NGD. Altho, Futurama used "Dont you forget about me" to great (and sniffly) effect on one episode.
― Trayce (trayce), Tuesday, 12 April 2005 03:35 (twenty-one years ago)
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 12 April 2005 03:43 (twenty-one years ago)
― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Tuesday, 12 April 2005 05:44 (twenty-one years ago)
― dave q (listerine), Tuesday, 12 April 2005 05:47 (twenty-one years ago)
― Bobby Peru (Bobby Peru), Tuesday, 12 April 2005 05:50 (twenty-one years ago)
― Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Tuesday, 12 April 2005 12:40 (twenty-one years ago)
I loved New Gold Dream and Sparkle in the Rain but I remember seeing a Simple Minds concert in 84 and thinking Jim K was the corniest audience-pumper this side of Bono. "GIVE ME YOUR HONDS!"
― m coleman (lovebug starski), Tuesday, 12 April 2005 12:54 (twenty-one years ago)
What a shame he took that walk with Bono on the beach and decided to become U3.
Is their cover of "Sign 'O' The Times" the worst cover version ever?
― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Tuesday, 12 April 2005 12:59 (twenty-one years ago)
OTM
― $V£N! (blueski), Tuesday, 12 April 2005 13:14 (twenty-one years ago)
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 12 April 2005 13:14 (twenty-one years ago)
did Kerr actually sing 'now he's doin' horse, it's June'? i can't remember
― $V£N! (blueski), Tuesday, 12 April 2005 13:15 (twenty-one years ago)
I saw them in 84 too and it's funny how quickly they ditched all their old material in pursuit of that stadium-appropriate sound. The whole set was Sparkle In The Rain/New Gold Dream stuff apart from 'The American' which I suppose was the one really bombastic song from the older albums.
― NickB (NickB), Tuesday, 12 April 2005 13:28 (twenty-one years ago)
― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Tuesday, 12 April 2005 14:01 (twenty-one years ago)
That's on the Celebration compilation but where did they cull that song from? I've never heard it. Is it some lost b-side, and did they put it on the first Themes compilation?
I've never weighed on this thread, to my amazement. Classic up until New Gold Dream. I love how in "Twist/Run/Repulsion" the French girl's reciting an excerpt of Nevsky Prospect by Gogol.
― Ian Riese-Moraine. To Hell with you and your gradual evolution! (Eastern Mantra), Tuesday, 12 April 2005 15:12 (twenty-one years ago)
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 12 April 2005 15:17 (twenty-one years ago)
The story is about a man who sees a beautiful girl everyday on the Nevsky Prospect in St. Petersburg and falls in love with her little by little. One day, she lets him follow her (this is detailed in the text quoted in "Twist/Run/Repulsion") up to her flat and he discovers that she's a prostitute. The character becomes dangerously depressed after knowing the truth about the girl he loves and dies at the end of the text.
TWIST is about this vertigo of love, when you feel you are falling in love, you feel a bit drunk, and you're leaving earth... RUN when you rush through the girl you love, when you've dare to talk to this girl who paralyzes you... REPULSION is the disappointment. She was "his innocent, his special one" and she's just a whore. She belongs to all the men who pass...
The excerpt quoted in the song is this (but I think this excerpt continues on for where it ends in "Twist/Run/Repulsion"):Mais était-il sûr d'être bien éveillé? Se pouvait-il que celle pour un céleste regard de qui il était prêt à donner sa vie, celle qu'il tenait déjà pour une ineffable bénédiction d'avoir pu suivre jusqu'à sa demeure, se pouvait-il qu'elle fût si bienveillante et attentionnée pour lui? Il gravit à grands pas l'escalier. Ses pensées n'étaient plus de la terre; il n'était point enflammé de l'ardeur d'une passion terrestre, non, il était à cet instant pur et exempt de vice comme l'adolescent virginal qui ne respire encore que vague besoin spirituel d'aimer. Et cela même qui, dans un homme corrompu, aurait éveillé d'immodestes pensées, ne faisait au contraire que purifier les siennes. Cette confiance que lui témoignait une belle et faible créature, cette confiance lui imposait le devoir d'une rigueur chevaleresque, le devoir d'exécuter servilement tous les ordres qu'elle lui donnerait. Il souhaitait seulement que ces ordres fussent les plus difficiles, les plus impossibles à exécuter, afin de pouvoir vouer davantage de ses forces à en surmonter la difficulté. il ne se doutait pas que quelque secrète et grave circonstance eût obligé l'inconnue à se fier à lui; qu'on allait sûrement exiger de lui d'exceptionnels services, et il sentait déjà en lui la force et la résolution de tout accomplir. L'escalier montait en spirale, et ses textes se pressaient dans le même tournoiement. "Avancez prudemment!" fit une voix dont le son était celui d'une harpe et qui fit encore vibrer tous ses nerfs. Dans l'obscurité du dernier étage l'inconnue frappa à une porte, celle-ci s'ouvrit et ils entrèrent ensemble. Une femme d'aspect assez agréable les accueillit une chandelle à la main, mais elle regarda Piskariov d'un air si singulier et si effronté qu'il baissa malgré lui les yeux. Ils pénétrèrent dans la pièce. Trois figures féminines, chacune dans son coin, se présentèrent à ses regards. L'une interrogeait les cartes; une autre, assise au piano, jouait avec deux doigts le pitoyable simulacre d'une ancienne polonaise; la troisième, devant un miroir, peignait ses longs cheveux et ne songeait pas un instant à interrompre sa toilette à l'arrivée d'un inconnu. On ne sait quel déplaisant désordre, tel qu'on ne peut le trouver que dans le logement négligé d'un célibataire, régnait de toutes parts. Les meubles, d'assez bonne apparence, étaient couverts de poussière; l'araignée avait garni de sa toile les moulures du lambris; à la porte entrebaillée d'une autre pièce brillait une botte avec son éperon et se devinaient les parements rouges d'un uniforme; une forte voix d'homme et un rire féminin se faisaient entendre sans la moindre contrainte.Dieu, où s'était-il fourvoyé! Il se refusa tout d'abord à y croire et commença à considérer plus attentivement les objets qui emplissaient la pièce; mais les murs nus et les fenêtres sans rideaux ne révélaient point la présence d'une maîtresse de maison soigneuse; les visages flétris de ces pitoyables créatures dont l'une vint s'asseoir presque sous son nez et l'examiner aussi tranquillement qu'une tâche sur un vêtement, tout cela ne lui laissa point douter qu'il venait d'entrer dans le repaire infâme où élit domicile la triste débauche qu'enfantent la civilisation de clinquant et d'effroyable entassement humain de la capitale. Ce repaire où l'homme, en sacrilège, a etouffé et voué à la risée tout ce qu'il y a de pur et de sain pour faire l'ornement de la vie, où la femme, cette beauté du monde, ce couronnement de la création, s'est métamorphosée en un être étrange et ambigu, où elle a dépouillé avec la pureté de l'âme toute féminité et assumé les allures et les impudences du mâle, et cessé d'être cette fragile créature si belle et si différente de nous. Piskariov la considérait des pieds à la tête, plein de stupeur, comme s'il avait voulu s'assurer encore que c'était bien celle qui l'vait ensorcelé et entraîné dans son sillage sur la Perspective Nevski. Mais elle était devant lui toujours aussi belle; sa cheveulure avait bien la même splendeur, ses yeux toujours le même éclat céleste. Elle était toute jeune, elle n'avait guère que dix-sept ans; il était visible que l'immonde débauche ne l'avait saisie que depuis peu et n'avait pas encore flétri ses joues, qui étaient fraîches et légèrement nuancées d'un délicat incarnat... Elle était belle.
― Ian Riese-Moraine. To Hell with you and your gradual evolution! (Eastern Mantra), Tuesday, 12 April 2005 15:30 (twenty-one years ago)
When I saw them in '86 they added "Love Song" to the set and cranked up the wah-motorik factor in it but it was too little too late
― Elvis Telecom (Chris Barrus), Tuesday, 12 April 2005 16:56 (twenty-one years ago)
― fortunate hazel (f. hazel), Tuesday, 12 April 2005 17:53 (twenty-one years ago)
Anyway so I went home and played the real "Changeling" and realised that it sounds a lot like Tiefschwarz! "Thirty Frames A Second" too, though to a lesser extent.
― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Saturday, 23 April 2005 08:39 (twenty-one years ago)
― The Silent Disco of Glastonbury (Bimble...), Saturday, 23 April 2005 17:13 (twenty-one years ago)
― Ian Riese-Moraine. To Hell with you and your gradual evolution! (Eastern Mantra), Saturday, 23 April 2005 17:20 (twenty-one years ago)
To be more specific about "Changeling", it sounds like what the Tiefschwarz remix of The Rapture's "Sister Saviour" should have been (I should cross-reference this post to an electro-house thread so that Ronan would have to track it down). I'd love to hear a DJ play it in a set.
― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Sunday, 24 April 2005 02:07 (twenty-one years ago)
Wow sounds great.
― dan selzer, Thursday, 14 November 2024 02:24 (one year ago)
nice set
― sparkling hebroic couplet (Hunt3r), Thursday, 14 November 2024 04:14 (one year ago)
The documentary is off youtube now, is Paramount Plus really the only place its showing?
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Wednesday, 20 November 2024 18:55 (one year ago)
Another person uploaded it on youtube, enjoyed it. I'm still quite new to the band and kind of hoping I'll like some of the albums after the first 5.
― Robert Adam Gilmour, Friday, 22 November 2024 23:04 (one year ago)