Lily Allen - This summers biggest racist?

it's systematic, problematic
but i gotta have it

can't you see, sometimes your words just problematize me

I guess Lawrence's statements are "problematic" in a way but they are also critical of the way that fashion fetishizes an unrealistic ideal of the female form. What would be a better way of putting that?

Not buying into the "real women" vs "skinny women" dichotomy. I mean, once again, you can acknowledge the shittiness of standards that have someone who looks like JLaw as "curvy" or "voluptuous" or any of the other code words magazines use that mean fat without implying that there's only one way to look like a woman.

I don't think she's implying there's an absolute dichotomy, but OK.

For me, Lily Allen is unambiguously a racist. As such, I'm going to look askance at any interaction she has with race because I have zero faith that she will navigate it in a manner I will agree with.

what racist stuff did lily allen do prior to this video? googled it but can't find anything.

I guess I don't really see off-the-cuff statements on red carpets or at junkets as unassailable declarations of there being only one alternative? Perhaps the media-saturated age is also resulting in too many opportunities for people to spiral off statements and then point fingers and say "PROBLEMATIC"!!!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s-WTbGupxbk

I wanted to look like a woman and not a prepubescent 13-year-old boy

What does that imply, if not a dichotomy? I mean, these are the body standards Hollywood has for women. Thin and part of the mainstream, or not. Jennifer Lawrence is getting mainstream roles and leads, she's not exactly Rebel Wilson.

Not saying that there should be a thinkpiece and an outrage cycle for every stupid thing someone says on the red carpet but god forbid celebrities, as people like the rest of us, be thoughtful in what they say.

Work a red carpet and get back to me on that.

Also "look like a woman" implies a lot of possibilities!

what racist stuff did lily allen do prior to this video?

In the midst of a Twitter argument with Azealia Banks, she tweeted a picture of her boyfriend?/husband? (I've seen him referenced both ways)'s penis painted up and dressed as a golliwog to resounding cheers from her fanbase.

Like I mean if we're going to get into transphobic interpretations of that statement, I don't even know.

Ugh let's just sum up this whole thing as "everything is terrible, especially for women still"

Because we're not exactly solving anything with the circular firing squad bullshit.

new life description xpost

yikes. that's pretty awful. (xxxpost)

cosign on awfulness of the word 'problematic.'

why did I GIS that

Within the context of her industry, though? There isn't a lot of deviation for actresses these days, certainly not leads. Like, I'm not particularly invested in this argument, but the post linked up thread was about people who talk about certain issues and what JL might have said that construed her being "problematic" on the subject of body issues.

Wasn't a golliwog, don't know if it was her husbands or boyfriends dick and it was in response to some fairly nasty abuse that Banks started. Just saying.

So racism is excused if you're sufficiently mean? How mean does someone have to be before you can throw out a racial slur or slap some blackface on a penis? Just wondering.

Azealia Banks is wholly worthless and humanity as a whole would be better off if she didn't exist IMO; that doesn't actually make it excusable to tweet racist shit at her

I guess I don't really see off-the-cuff statements on red carpets or at junkets as unassailable declarations of there being only one alternative? Perhaps the media-saturated age is also resulting in too many opportunities for people to spiral off statements and then point fingers and say "PROBLEMATIC"!!!!

Absolutely. This Tumblr about Jennifer Lawrence is like something from the Red Scare.

http://yourfaveisproblematic.tumblr.com/post/45661326649/jennifer-lawrence

Objectifying people is pretty much the entire foundation of the music industry, isn't it? Taking musical expression and selling it as physical object. Taking an artist and selling them as "a brand".

the whole penis thing was insanely racist

Your Ass Is Problematic

Wasn't a golliwog, don't know if it was her husbands or boyfriends dick and it was in response to some fairly nasty abuse that Banks started. Just saying.

wow i knew the video would have its defenders but i had no idea there'd be apologists for the dick in blackface

Was the thread title changed?

and yes, AZB has been pretty awful herself (and, unlike LA at the time of the beef, she's been rightly raked over the coals for it), and all that shows us is that to come off even worse you have to be really vile yourself

just pointing out someone named "everything" posted that right after maura said "everything is terrible"

11th dimensional trolling??

Moka: yes the thread title was changed. Several lolled.

The dick was not in blackface. It was a black or brown dick (decorated to look like Azalia Banks maybe). Whatever. Sorry to interupt the outrage. Congrats to Lily Allen for getting some people who don't give a shit about her to pay her some attention.

The dick was not in blackface.

are you kidding me

Yes.

k good

Really what this thread needs for some empirical evidence like maybe a white male poster who can turn up and go "well actually he might be right, last time I blacked up my penis it didn't look anything like that" but really so many more 0_0 things have happened on ILX over the years that I wouldn't be remotely surprised.

Moka: yes the thread title was changed. Several lolled.

― smoking, drinking, cracking and showing the MIDDLE FINGER (DJP),

Hahaha ok, yeah i found it funny but I was reading the initial posts and nothing made sense.

the more we talk abt it the more people will GIS it the better I'll feel

Surely you critical lot have an opinion on this??!!

Eclex

― E-Clex (E-Clex), Thursday, April 27, 2006 2:00 PM (7 years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

This is what I mean by a low bar. The video doesn't make the male viewer uncomfortable or subvert his expectations in any significant way. It doesn't allow the strippers any personality. By not showing their faces it presents them only as sexualised bodies. And yet it counts as celebration and reclamation because it's better than all the other videos with strippers in? Maybe so. I've read the Hairpin discussion twice and I just don't see it.

― Deafening silence (DL), Thursday, November 14, 2013 11:01 AM (1 hour ago)

why should a hypothetical male viewer's response enter into it?

Why would it not? All discussion of gaze involves hypothetical viewers. And check out YouTube - they're not hypothetical.

i just figure that a woman's reclamation of something occurs on her own terms, not how i imagine some guy might interpret the gesture

^ ...not in relation to how i imagine some guy...

"cuz i've got a brain" is traditionally a phrase only used by relatively stupid/insecure people, so little wonder it turns out she's out of her depth.

the rap verse from electrik red's "muah" (presented w/o comment. legitimately!)

Now tell me what you really gonna do with that
Never seen a girl with an ass so fat
I'm not a stripper but I dance like that
I'm not a stripper but where the money at
I'm not a freak, I'm not a nasty hoe
Well I'm lyin but I'm classy though
I'm like you don't wanna get get get it?
To the bed room hit hit hit it
I'm not a ditz, I got a brain
You saw my titties before you see my face
It's all good nigga don't be ashamed
I would feel the same, cause I know you know

I'm the shit with this shit

etc

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i loved watching this just now

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uOVDnDz2eYI

i'm kind of shocked a singer like Timberlake or somebody hasn't tried to repurpose that phrase in a sex jam yet (i.e. "girl, i wanna get problematic with you!" or "the way you dress be problematic for me, baby")

― da croupier, Thursday, November 14, 2013 2:27 PM (3 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

LOL

just want to add re: lily allen's "no one wants to see my cellulite" is particularly bullshit since a main visual motif is the slow motion rippling tide of the dancer's asses

White Feminist ‏@WhiteFeminist

Hard Out Here to replace Same Love as my #PoliticsJam 4 the term! Lily Allen delivers w a scathing critique of #UrbanMusic & objectification

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