Lily Allen - This summers biggest racist?

I am curious; why was Jennifer Lawrence brought up and then exempted from critique?

ditto. i'll be real upset if i have to start hating jennifer lawrence now

i actually have no idea

I mean, she gets labeled as "problematic" without ever going into exactly what is problematic about her, whereas most of the things I've heard from her have been self-aware in a way I've come to never expect from anyone famous talking to the media.

And it's not like I don't think she could be problematic; EVERYONE can be problematic! I'd just like to know why she's problematic; if it's tied to the dichotomy between her stance about how she wants to appear in The Hunger Games contrasted with a sexy photo shoot for GQ, there's some rationalization I want to make about manipulating your image for different audiences/contexts that I want to believe isn't complete horseshit.

"problematic" is a chickenshit word by execs infuriated that their nubile female charges aren't doing as told.

i'm kind of shocked a singer like Timberlake or somebody hasn't tried to repurpose that phrase in a sex jam yet (i.e. "girl, i wanna get problematic with you!" or "the way you dress be problematic for me, baby")

xxp beyoncé also did a "sexy photo shoot" for GQ recently, if we're talking about empowered women projecting different versions of themselves in different contexts

Because no one outside of the internet says that word.

yes, that's where it starts

"This take-back-the-night shit be gettin' problematic, girlllll"

no one outside the internet puts a hashtag in front of a word but somehow it wound up in the title of a mariah carey single

Because although she is for the most part sort of harmless and well-meaning, sometimes she says stupid shit like "I knew that if I was going to be naked in front of the world, I wanted to look like a woman and not a prepubescent 13-year-old boy."

your hips, your thighs, they got me problematized

it's systematic, problematic
but i gotta have it

can't you see, sometimes your words just problematize me

I guess Lawrence's statements are "problematic" in a way but they are also critical of the way that fashion fetishizes an unrealistic ideal of the female form. What would be a better way of putting that?

Not buying into the "real women" vs "skinny women" dichotomy. I mean, once again, you can acknowledge the shittiness of standards that have someone who looks like JLaw as "curvy" or "voluptuous" or any of the other code words magazines use that mean fat without implying that there's only one way to look like a woman.

I don't think she's implying there's an absolute dichotomy, but OK.

For me, Lily Allen is unambiguously a racist. As such, I'm going to look askance at any interaction she has with race because I have zero faith that she will navigate it in a manner I will agree with.

what racist stuff did lily allen do prior to this video? googled it but can't find anything.

I guess I don't really see off-the-cuff statements on red carpets or at junkets as unassailable declarations of there being only one alternative? Perhaps the media-saturated age is also resulting in too many opportunities for people to spiral off statements and then point fingers and say "PROBLEMATIC"!!!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s-WTbGupxbk

I wanted to look like a woman and not a prepubescent 13-year-old boy

What does that imply, if not a dichotomy? I mean, these are the body standards Hollywood has for women. Thin and part of the mainstream, or not. Jennifer Lawrence is getting mainstream roles and leads, she's not exactly Rebel Wilson.

Not saying that there should be a thinkpiece and an outrage cycle for every stupid thing someone says on the red carpet but god forbid celebrities, as people like the rest of us, be thoughtful in what they say.

Work a red carpet and get back to me on that.

Also "look like a woman" implies a lot of possibilities!

what racist stuff did lily allen do prior to this video?

In the midst of a Twitter argument with Azealia Banks, she tweeted a picture of her boyfriend?/husband? (I've seen him referenced both ways)'s penis painted up and dressed as a golliwog to resounding cheers from her fanbase.

Like I mean if we're going to get into transphobic interpretations of that statement, I don't even know.

Ugh let's just sum up this whole thing as "everything is terrible, especially for women still"

Because we're not exactly solving anything with the circular firing squad bullshit.

new life description xpost

yikes. that's pretty awful. (xxxpost)

cosign on awfulness of the word 'problematic.'

why did I GIS that

Within the context of her industry, though? There isn't a lot of deviation for actresses these days, certainly not leads. Like, I'm not particularly invested in this argument, but the post linked up thread was about people who talk about certain issues and what JL might have said that construed her being "problematic" on the subject of body issues.

Wasn't a golliwog, don't know if it was her husbands or boyfriends dick and it was in response to some fairly nasty abuse that Banks started. Just saying.

So racism is excused if you're sufficiently mean? How mean does someone have to be before you can throw out a racial slur or slap some blackface on a penis? Just wondering.

Azealia Banks is wholly worthless and humanity as a whole would be better off if she didn't exist IMO; that doesn't actually make it excusable to tweet racist shit at her

I guess I don't really see off-the-cuff statements on red carpets or at junkets as unassailable declarations of there being only one alternative? Perhaps the media-saturated age is also resulting in too many opportunities for people to spiral off statements and then point fingers and say "PROBLEMATIC"!!!!

Absolutely. This Tumblr about Jennifer Lawrence is like something from the Red Scare.

http://yourfaveisproblematic.tumblr.com/post/45661326649/jennifer-lawrence

Objectifying people is pretty much the entire foundation of the music industry, isn't it? Taking musical expression and selling it as physical object. Taking an artist and selling them as "a brand".

the whole penis thing was insanely racist

Your Ass Is Problematic

Wasn't a golliwog, don't know if it was her husbands or boyfriends dick and it was in response to some fairly nasty abuse that Banks started. Just saying.

wow i knew the video would have its defenders but i had no idea there'd be apologists for the dick in blackface

Was the thread title changed?

and yes, AZB has been pretty awful herself (and, unlike LA at the time of the beef, she's been rightly raked over the coals for it), and all that shows us is that to come off even worse you have to be really vile yourself

just pointing out someone named "everything" posted that right after maura said "everything is terrible"

11th dimensional trolling??

Moka: yes the thread title was changed. Several lolled.

The dick was not in blackface. It was a black or brown dick (decorated to look like Azalia Banks maybe). Whatever. Sorry to interupt the outrage. Congrats to Lily Allen for getting some people who don't give a shit about her to pay her some attention.

The dick was not in blackface.

are you kidding me

Yes.

k good

Really what this thread needs for some empirical evidence like maybe a white male poster who can turn up and go "well actually he might be right, last time I blacked up my penis it didn't look anything like that" but really so many more 0_0 things have happened on ILX over the years that I wouldn't be remotely surprised.