amanda palmer's open poem to jonathan chait (and other crimes)

Did her letter to Morrissey offering crowd-sourcing advice get posted in this thread?

Yeah I'd be more suspect about that anecdote if the evidence wasn't overwhelming in the other direction. See this thread.

I actually think that anecdote is one of the more charming things I've heard about AP. She didn't barge into the conversation and say "Oh Ben Folds, he's my BFF, you do know who I am right?" She just gave a helpful tip. Even I would recommend Amanda Palmer to a Ben Folds fan, and I'm not a fan of either of them.

she did basically barge into the conversation and say "Oh Ben Folds, he's my BFF, you do know who I am right?"

+ buy my shit

idk she just left a note on a napkin. That's pretty unobtrusive, especially by Amanda Palmer standards.

Sounds like Business Networking 101, like this is some practical demonstration of the skillset that every business major should strive for. She should've told that story to Forbes.

we are judging her on her own curve i see, amanda palmer has won game over

she was probably hoping that a picture of her napkin would show up on someone's tumfaceinstablog

later comment on that MeFi thread:

If you want a picture of the future, imagine a diner napkin with Amanda Palmer's name dropping in your lap — for ever.

perfect

This seems relevant to this thread.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/11/03/technology/riding-the-hashtag-in-social-media-marketing.html

hi maura!

hi :)

hi its a me nda palmer

“I’ll literally jab, jab, jab, right-hook this guy,” Mr. Vaynerchuk explained.

Since his childhood days hawking baseball cards at convention halls in New Jersey, and later pitching wine online at his father’s liquor store

Real world experience.

god, that article

I still have a fangirl-in-denial part of me that loves Neil Gaiman; read most of his fiction, dug Sandman, liked the Neverwhere tv series, his Dr Who ep, etc. I used to read his blog (oh the shame etc cf Linus)

dude there's no reason to feel shame or denial about this! - not liking the way someone he's in a relationship with in 2013 performs doesn't affect anything about comics he wrote in 1989, or short stories he wrote in 1992, or TV he wrote in 1996, or novels he wrote in 2002, or TV he wrote in 2010, or whether his blog was well-written and entertaining from 2001-2009 or whether he's a nice guy or advocate for libraries or booster of good artists or generous dude, or whether his 21st century comics have mostly been underwhelming or awkwardly drawn up until last week. If you don't follow him on twitter, you can still essentially pick up everything he actually writes without ever having to consider his private life for good or ill.

precisely, I still like Sonic Youth and a lot of the positive stuff that Thurston Moore has done for underground/weird music, even though he cheated on and left his wife for a younger woman.

wotta douche

Has Gaiman done anything to indicate he isn't still a nice and gracious dude?

I havent kept up with Sonic Youth but do you mean Kim was the younger woman or the wife?

There is some controversy about Gaiman's trouble with Todd McFarlane, wether Medieval Spawn and Angela(?) are something he deserves royalties for.
Some also felt he shouldnt have been so quiet about Harlan Ellison suing Fantagraphics.

I thought that made Ellison look really bad and several other things he's done, but I still love him.

I cant be bothered reading extensively into disputes so I can take sides.

A Kim Fowley interview from his thread on this forum made me laugh a lot recently, I was kind of charmed by him and I'm considering getting some of his albums but I've heard he has done horrendous things and I've heard people call him a reprehensible monster. Anyway, this conversation is had constantly about writers, painters and musicians.

The art in the new Sandman comic looks lovely, I might buy it. Also, Gaiman is extremely generous with questions and advice on his tumblr, whatever issues there has been I think he seems like a genuinely swell guy.

I've found that bad people make bad art, but can make good food, so it veers me towards the stance that cooking isn't art.

bad people can't make good art???

I don't know for sure, but... I think that's the case! Can Thurston make good music now? Probably not. New Neil Gaiman will probably turn out fine. Is Amanda Palmer a bad person? I think if you're bothered by the things she does, the music won't make you forgive her.

picasso was super nice i heard

def no great artists widely considered to be massive jerks ever

it's just gotten to be a bit bummertown usa that gaiman often comes up as 'isn't he that writer guy dating Amanda Palmer? ugh'

but yeah sic otm, twitter radio silence is the best way to keep fandom intact

I havent kept up with Sonic Youth but do you mean Kim was the younger woman or the wife?

a. Kim is older than Thurston
b. Thurston left Kim for a woman in her early 30s.

i'd allow that wesley willis might have been a jerk and a pill to people but was generally a good guy. maybe gaiman sees the wesley willis in palmer?

i'm pretty sure that gaiman thinks palmer is v v intersting

I don't know for sure, but... I think that's the case! Can Thurston make good music now? Probably not.

Sonic Youth's great period started when they saved a puppy from a fire and ended when they were mean to Nardwuar.

I took my little girl to the library the other day and she picked out a Neil Gaiman book called Blueberry Girl . We sat down in the reading corner so I could read it to her. It turned out to be not really a very interesting book at all for a three year old and sort of more directed at the parent reading it. Like, we're following the Blueberry Girl as she ages, like" this is the blueberry girl when she's 36. She's seen her share of hard knocks" or some such bullshit. o I stoppad reading it and we just looked at the pictures, which were not by Mr. Gaiman but were lots of fun to look at and what attracted her to the book in the first place.

Here is some of the text

...Dull days at forty, false friends at fifteen;
Let her have brave days and truth.
Let her go places that we've never been;
Trust and delight in her youth.

Ladies of Grace, and Ladies of Favour,
And Ladies of Merciful Night,
This is a prayer for a Blueberry Girl,
Grant her your Clearness of Sight.

Words can be worrisome, people complex;
Motives and manners unclear.
Grant her the wisdom to choose her path right,
Free from unkindness and fear.

Let her tell stories, and dance in the rain,
Somersaults, tumble and run;
Her joys must be high as her sorrows are deep,
Let her grow like a weed in the sun...

age range for that book is 4-8 so give it a year

I don't think in a year shell all the sudden be really amped up about "dull days at 40".

yeah, that was a poem written for a new mother. bookified years later.

or whether his 21st century comics have mostly been underwhelming or awkwardly drawn up until last week.

sic, so the new sandman is good stuff?

haven't read it, but picked up a copy the other day. art is splendid, by j.h. williams iii, who couldn't draw a bad page to save his life.

http://www.tcj.com/reviews/the-sandman-overture-1/

A review a lot more demanding than most will be.

Enjoyed his children's book 'Chu's Day', about a panda with town-flattening sneezes, which we got for our daughter. Most of the good stuff is in the art, but still...

surely we have a gaiman thread

an evening w/ neil gaiman and amanda palmer is now on spotify!

I just cancelled my premium subscription

Oh lord pac

On dealing with the haters

Palmer: "First off: neither neil nor I were strangers to haters when we met each other. from the first outing of the dresden dolls in 2000 (my first band, which was just me and one other guy) in boston, i was confronted with the amazing phenomenon that is People Who Love To Spend Their Time Hating & Criticizing Artists.

"And honestly … the more i do it and learn about this part of the universe, the more i approach the haters and yellers with compassion. the more i look, the more hurt i see, and the less i feel like yelling back. from where i'm standing, the ones screaming the loudest probably need the biggest hugs."

Gaiman: "I had run into nasty people on the web before I married Amanda, but marrying her opened the door on a whole new level of unpleasantness. It was like lifting up a rock and seeing what squirms underneath. And then slowly I started to realise that an awful lot of the nastiest haters appeared to be one person cutting and pasting away, and industriously spending every evening googling my name and Amanda's and posting strangely unpleasant dispatches from an alternate universe. And then I felt very sorry for that person, because it doesn't seem like much of a life."

afp otm

http://tinyurl.com/mklo562

"I had run into nasty people on the web before I married Amanda, but marrying her opened the door on a whole new level of unpleasantness."