amanda palmer's open poem to jonathan chait (and other crimes)

the stink on that anecdote is so powerful that i think all my positive feelings towards gaiman bc of sandman are evaporating

through all of this im still not sure who neil gaiman is, like i saw someone reading a book of his in a restaurant, but i dont understand what his deal/demographic is really, i mean nerds obvs but past that im not sure, dont tell me thx

Goths, girls who make ASMR videos while wearing unusually colored wigs, Mordy

he wrote a comic from 89-96 that was pretty good

yeah that's about as far as I'd go. he is way overrated by a certain subculture.

he wrote a decent, if overrated comic, and a series of novels that have never bettered it. Of late he's written two overrated episodes of Doctor Who. He may sadly consider AP to be his Yoko Ono

one of my sisters college boyfriends gave me a issue of sandman, it was all quality, nice paper perfect bound i remember

it was maybe the... first issue

ugh, Sandman is so utterly fantastic it really hurts my SOUL in a billy corgan style that I have to associate him with her nowadays

I sold a bunch of stuff to Half Price Books including most of that Sandman comic and they gave me like $100, so gracias Gaiman

btw it was left at my place eons ago so it was like free money

cmon that anecdote above sounds like bullshit

o rly

that story is O_o

if it's true then I feel okay for having always felt like she's the worst

I still have a fangirl-in-denial part of me that loves Neil Gaiman; read most of his fiction, dug Sandman, liked the Neverwhere tv series, his Dr Who ep, etc. I used to read his blog (oh the shame etc cf Linus)

Librarians love Gaiman bc he's a big booster for libraries.

http://i.imgur.com/6c6ZUhn.gif

never forget

haha

I've never read any of the Sandman comics but I liked American Gods. I understand it's been reissued and is longer now; has anyone read it? Has it been improved, or is it like when Stephen King put out that boulder-sized version of The Stand that was stuffed with like 400 pages of useless extra crap?

since the link at the top is dead, here is her letter to robert smith

http://amandapalmer.net/blog/20091029/

Did her letter to Morrissey offering crowd-sourcing advice get posted in this thread?

Yeah I'd be more suspect about that anecdote if the evidence wasn't overwhelming in the other direction. See this thread.

I actually think that anecdote is one of the more charming things I've heard about AP. She didn't barge into the conversation and say "Oh Ben Folds, he's my BFF, you do know who I am right?" She just gave a helpful tip. Even I would recommend Amanda Palmer to a Ben Folds fan, and I'm not a fan of either of them.

she did basically barge into the conversation and say "Oh Ben Folds, he's my BFF, you do know who I am right?"

+ buy my shit

idk she just left a note on a napkin. That's pretty unobtrusive, especially by Amanda Palmer standards.

Sounds like Business Networking 101, like this is some practical demonstration of the skillset that every business major should strive for. She should've told that story to Forbes.

we are judging her on her own curve i see, amanda palmer has won game over

she was probably hoping that a picture of her napkin would show up on someone's tumfaceinstablog

later comment on that MeFi thread:

If you want a picture of the future, imagine a diner napkin with Amanda Palmer's name dropping in your lap — for ever.

perfect

This seems relevant to this thread.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/11/03/technology/riding-the-hashtag-in-social-media-marketing.html

hi maura!

hi :)

hi its a me nda palmer

“I’ll literally jab, jab, jab, right-hook this guy,” Mr. Vaynerchuk explained.

Since his childhood days hawking baseball cards at convention halls in New Jersey, and later pitching wine online at his father’s liquor store

Real world experience.

god, that article

I still have a fangirl-in-denial part of me that loves Neil Gaiman; read most of his fiction, dug Sandman, liked the Neverwhere tv series, his Dr Who ep, etc. I used to read his blog (oh the shame etc cf Linus)

dude there's no reason to feel shame or denial about this! - not liking the way someone he's in a relationship with in 2013 performs doesn't affect anything about comics he wrote in 1989, or short stories he wrote in 1992, or TV he wrote in 1996, or novels he wrote in 2002, or TV he wrote in 2010, or whether his blog was well-written and entertaining from 2001-2009 or whether he's a nice guy or advocate for libraries or booster of good artists or generous dude, or whether his 21st century comics have mostly been underwhelming or awkwardly drawn up until last week. If you don't follow him on twitter, you can still essentially pick up everything he actually writes without ever having to consider his private life for good or ill.

precisely, I still like Sonic Youth and a lot of the positive stuff that Thurston Moore has done for underground/weird music, even though he cheated on and left his wife for a younger woman.

wotta douche

Has Gaiman done anything to indicate he isn't still a nice and gracious dude?

I havent kept up with Sonic Youth but do you mean Kim was the younger woman or the wife?

There is some controversy about Gaiman's trouble with Todd McFarlane, wether Medieval Spawn and Angela(?) are something he deserves royalties for.
Some also felt he shouldnt have been so quiet about Harlan Ellison suing Fantagraphics.

I thought that made Ellison look really bad and several other things he's done, but I still love him.

I cant be bothered reading extensively into disputes so I can take sides.

A Kim Fowley interview from his thread on this forum made me laugh a lot recently, I was kind of charmed by him and I'm considering getting some of his albums but I've heard he has done horrendous things and I've heard people call him a reprehensible monster. Anyway, this conversation is had constantly about writers, painters and musicians.

The art in the new Sandman comic looks lovely, I might buy it. Also, Gaiman is extremely generous with questions and advice on his tumblr, whatever issues there has been I think he seems like a genuinely swell guy.

I've found that bad people make bad art, but can make good food, so it veers me towards the stance that cooking isn't art.

bad people can't make good art???

I don't know for sure, but... I think that's the case! Can Thurston make good music now? Probably not. New Neil Gaiman will probably turn out fine. Is Amanda Palmer a bad person? I think if you're bothered by the things she does, the music won't make you forgive her.

picasso was super nice i heard

def no great artists widely considered to be massive jerks ever

it's just gotten to be a bit bummertown usa that gaiman often comes up as 'isn't he that writer guy dating Amanda Palmer? ugh'

but yeah sic otm, twitter radio silence is the best way to keep fandom intact

I havent kept up with Sonic Youth but do you mean Kim was the younger woman or the wife?

a. Kim is older than Thurston
b. Thurston left Kim for a woman in her early 30s.

i'd allow that wesley willis might have been a jerk and a pill to people but was generally a good guy. maybe gaiman sees the wesley willis in palmer?