Revolt of the ILX Brigade: New Post-Fahey Folk For PPL that post in the Takoma & Tompkin's Square Threads

haha ok if we need a pt. 2 to this thread it's going to be called Acoustic Swagger Exists, And ILX Has It

sounds great

like the full band arrangement, reminds me of Shirley Collins & the Albion Band

re: Zachary Hay -- I just got the Green Glass record a few days ago, so I haven't listened to it tons of times yet, but right now I'm leaning toward that one!

Cool, thanks Ian.

Dig that Solar Motel clip, excited for the record, though I could live with out some of the percussion choices (cowbell)

ha yeah, that might be the one thing i'd change about it - maybe just mix it slightly lower.
this is relevant to this thread: http://frontpsych.com/new-american-primitivism/

This is getting bumped in every feed/online resource of mine. I imagine that this is one of many of these types of lists still to come. Glad it went "somewhat" broad (cool to see Metzger put officially in the mix) and I am all for exposure for most of these folks, but it didn't have a thing on this here thread. I wonder what the typical audience is for that site, had never seen it until everyone I know who cares about this stuff started pointing to this list.

i'd never heard of that site before either... there will probably be a bunch of 2013 year of the fahey roundups. but yeah, this thread is obviously the place to be!

I hope that in future instalments Marisa Anderson gets more shouts, both for the obvious reason of diversifying the mix a bit but also because damn her records are good. I really like the feel of her stuff and it is cool that she improvises it all, which is an interesting departure from a lot of these folks as well.

Still sad I missed her here in Charlottesville. She got added to the Godspeed bill, which I wasn't gonna make for all kinds of reasons, instead of playing this really lovely outdoor space that she had originally been booked to play. Hope she swings back through, would love to see her play live, don't get to see good slide players enough.

Just hit me like a ton of bricks that Jack Rose not being alive and putting out albums is really fucking with me right about now.

yeah, i mean, i feel like a lot of this stuff is more post-Jack Rose rather than post-John Fahey (though obviously the two go hand in hand to some extent). but it seems like he inspired a lot of the current players as much as Fahey.

Yeah, it is sad that there won't be a ton of records left by Jack. I feel like almost every review/piece in recent memory brings him up at least.

A ton of NEW records that is, thankfully we got some great ones before he left.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6b8jGVzURUc

http://www.aquariumdrunkard.com/2013/10/24/wooden-wand-interviews-william-tyler-interviews-wooden-wand/#more-37600

Well, this is weird, I got a little off-site shout-out from complete strangers! Whoa. Kind of made my day:

http://dyingforbadmusic.com/blog/post/2013/10/steve-palmer-fables-of-the-feral-boys-2013.html

That Brendan Canning album is pretty damn cool. Some tracks I really need to go revisit, a lot going on... Been meaning to check out Marissa Anderson also- had to miss a performance of hers due to work, but any good place to start?

Not surprised Global, I think your stuff is good enough to release personally. I have listened to those bandcamp albums quite a few times.

There isn't really a bad place to start with Marisa, everything I have heard is good. It is actually all up on bandcamp, I would just start with the latest, Mercury:

http://marisaanderson.bandcamp.com/album/mercury

@global tetrahedron your stuff is awesome! I think I dug it here or over bandcamp... can't remember!

I also learned today that William Tyler released something even before "the paper hats - the deseret canyon"
http://www.normanrecords.com/records/143638-the-paper-hats-come-and-see-
It came out on a german label btw. :)

i really liked the last marisa anderson, just haven't been feeling the new one yet for no particular reason

Sorry to keep bombing this thread with so much, but here's another relevant link. Really enjoyed that W. Tyler/JJ Toth interview above, and in a similar vein this C. Forsyth interview is definitely interesting. Gives real insight into how the recent records differ from each other and a whole bunch of other stuff:

http://adhoc.fm/post/interview-chris-forsyth/

That Solar Motel artwork is so cool- the photobooth one on the back cover in particular adds to the atmosphere of the music in a way I dig quite a bit...

congrats global that's a nice writeup

really enjoyed that wooden wand/tyler conversation

Hey guys - saw Marisa tonight and she was exceptional. Just really, really great - medleys, Stephen Foster, and a great new thing called "Bluegrass Parking Lot" (may not be the actual title) that really knocked me out. I'm very tired so I apologize for the 'bullet points,' but wanted to note a few things before I forgot:

1. She's traveling with four guitars. When I asked, all know-it-all-y, "Ah, for different tunings?" she said no - they're tuned identically (open D, she said), but she said that they just sound different, and do different things. So she travels with four guitars for their distinctive sonic qualities. I thought that was an interesting detail.

2. She has a new album coming out in a few months - all public domain songs. Some church songs, some state songs and a murder ballad, she says.

3. Though the albums are all improvised (culled and edited down from longer jams), the live set is not! Kinda backward, and kinda awesome: She makes the album, then learns the songs so that she can play them live. I'm sure other guitarists have used this approach, but I can't think of any off the top of my head.

4. Her first name is pronounced "ma-REE-sa."

cool, really sad i missed her when she was through mpls :(

point #3 is really surprising!

Hah wow, very cool Jimmywine. Thanks for that rundown. Really wish I had seen her here.

I of course am not a great imporviser or guitarist, but I do improvise a lot when I play, and almost everything I am working on now that might become a song (if I get a home recording set-up going) started this way, i.e., I heard a recording of it and thought "huh, I might be able to turn that into a song". Very interesting that she is willing to make a whole record out of improvisations though, and then learn/refine them for the live show!

Just saw William Tyler at this little space in Teaneck NJ... basically a tiny community art center for some reason with a Puffin theme. Mostly old people there from the town. Between songs one old lady asked if he could turn down the volume! He had a lot of funny stories and his playing was fantastic of course.

He is playing tomorrow at Union Pool in Brooklyn by the way!

new thing i did overdubbing myself a bunch of times...

https://soundcloud.com/matthew-lee-helgeson/dead-malls

reminds me a bit of krusty by papa m, which is about the highest complement I can bestow

wow thank you. i have not heard any of the papa m stuff but to be compared to pajo in any way is awesome.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fy3fuGV1UAg

it's perfect. always makes me feel happier. there should be more pajo talk, he is much better than almost everyone mentioned in this thread imo.

when i spoke to the great dbh i asked him about his influences because i couldn't hear any takoma in his music, or any particular folk style or w/e, and he mentioned live from a shark cage and a big light went on in my head.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-PcoysxOYfA

Vinyl edition of this: track listings make it seem like it might be worth checking out---links to some tracks below (on the same page with tracks from the same-day vinyl of an okay-for-Spotify Shel Silverstein trib; more about that on the National Record Day thread)
https://gallery.mailchimp.com/1dff6e90b856dc06c872242fe/images/johnfahey.jpg
Welk Music Group and Vanguard Records will release the first vinyl edition of I AM THE RESURRECTION: A TRIBUTE TO JOHN FAHEY on November 29, 2013 in celebration of Record Store Day’s Black Friday.

Known as the father of the “American primitive guitar”, John Fahey is one of acoustic music’s most noted innovators. His work has influenced countless musicians from a wide range of musical genres. I Am the Resurrection: A Tribute to John Fahey is a 13 track collection that includes a who’s who of indie rock artists’ paying their respects to the folk legend. Co -produced by M. Ward and Vanguard staffer Stephen Brower the album features cuts from Fruit Bats, Sufjan Stevens, Calexico, Devendra Banhart, and Sonic Youth's Lee Ranaldo, among others.

The albums are issued on 2xLP white vinyl and green marbled vinyl and mastered at 45rpm for maximum fidelity. Click here to listen to some of the tracks with full track listings below.
https://soundcloud.com/vanguard-records/sets/vanguard-and-sugar-hill

Black Friday was created by the organizers of Record Store Day as a way to celebrate and spread the word about the unique culture surrounding nearly 1000 independently owned record stores in the US and thousands of similar stores international. For more information visit http://recordstoreday.com/CustomPage/1210

Tracklisting:

I AM THE RESURRECTION: A TRIUBUTE TO JOHN FAHEY
1. "Death of the Clayton Peacock" - Fruit Bats
2. "Sunflower River Blues" - Pelt
3. "Variation on 'Commemorative Transfiguration and Communion at Magruder Park'" - Sufjan Stevens
4. "Sligo River Blues" - Devendra Banhart
5. "Dance of Death" - Calexico
6. "The Singing Bridge Of Memphis, Tennessee (Brooklyn Bridge Version: The Coelcanth)" - Lee Ranaldo
7. "Bean Vine Blues, No. 2" - M. Ward
8. "The Portland Cement Factory at Monolith, CA" -Cul de Sac
9. "Dance of the Inhabitants of the Palace of King Phillip XIV of Spain" - Jason Q. Lytle
10. "Joe Kirby Blues" - Immerglück, Kaphan, Krummenach & Hanes
11. "Medley: John Hurt Shiva Shankarah" - Currituck Co.
12. "When the Catfish is in Bloom" - Peter Case
13. "My Grandfather's Clock" - Howe Gelb

haven't though about currituck co. for a while

this compilation was probably the first Fahey related thing I've ever heard in early 2000 and the "Medley: John Hurt Shiva Shankarah" - Currituck Co. was and is my favorite track.

<3 currituck co. kevin barker has been busy with his filmmaking!
he and his wife made this awesome movie --
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1745740/?ref_=fn_al_tt_1

imdb reviews are mixed but i really liked it. our roomie contributed some of the music.

(it's on netflix btw)

I'm not sure Richard Dawson belongs on here, but he might do and you should listen to Richard Dawson. I like Richard Dawson.

Richard Dawson,

dig the papa m stuff a lot

btw solar motel is on spotify now, great so far

ha i had a papa m cd in my alarm clock as wakeup music for years and to this day my husband can't stand it and refers to it by making this plunnnnnnng plunnnnnnnnnnng noise
i think the track was "arundel"?

I've been messing around with acoustic resonance, feedback, high pitches, low pitches, metal scrapes, and any object that adds a harder curtain to coleuses with straight finger picking.

I bought a cheap rabab here in Cairo, which is a 1 string fiddle, just to use the bow, the fiber is much looser than a well made fiddle bow. Ever since figuring out how to do Jack Rose's "Sun Dogs" technique, I love wasting my time listening to that glorious high pitches, low pitches, and metal screeches.

Wife isn't to found of loud drone exploration on the acoustic but I gotta do what is flouting around in my head. Here is a first take of combining the "Sun Dogs" technique while bowing the guitar, a multitude of pitches

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d3wuEETGpQ8

you're good at the sun dogs thing! is there a particular trick to it?

Matt this is rad! thanks for showing!

And some list: http://totalvibration.tumblr.com/post/66103908941/slide-into-sligo-creek-36-american-primitive-records
with the usual suspects and more...

Can we now maybe start a new thread for our own experiments in this style and keep this one for talking about people who are touring, releasing records, etc?

speaking of, i am SUPER EXCITED for this just announced show in Mpls:

http://www.thecedar.org/events/2014/01/22/califone-william-tyler

Jimmywine Dyspeptic: Can we now maybe start a new thread for our own experiments in this style and keep this one for talking about people who are touring, releasing records, etc?

I mean no harm nor to ruffle any feathers here, but I am a guy recording, touring, and releasing/designing records. Even though I am doing those things I still like to share a crude new idea or two via audio or video. That leads me to my idea being that, most (if not all) contemporary 'american primitive' players who are currently touring, recording, collaborating - built themselves from the ground up and I can think of half a dozen fairly easily who did this with determination. Bedroom experiments and crude recordings: it can lead to a record deal fairly fast if you've got something worthwhile to give.

My point is, separating "experiments" or the progression of one's ideas in gitfiddle picking, with "real(?)" musicians who are touring, and releasing records seems kind of counter intuitive. It's not hard to sift through touring dates and someone's personal recordings. In fact, it's really nice to see these two subjects at hand together in one thread. And as I said, there is a very fine line between being a bedroom rat and releasing records: example, Guanaco ±, Bronze Horse, Danial Bachman, Hayden Pedigo, Wes Tirey, etc etc etc.

When you separate that linkage between Fahey's own definition of 'american primtive'... that being "someone who is self taught." It kind of breaks down the point of the whole thing. There aren't many places you can freely post/send your recordings to and actually be easily heard. There's a few, to which I highly recommend anyone to sign up for, like the "Fahey Players Group" over on yahoo. Where people talk daily about the old and new of all this, and by daily I mean by the likes of Glenn Jones, Gene Rosenthal, Peter Lang, and random label Heads. Deep conversations you don't hear anywhere else. Just sign up for yahoo, and forward that inbox to your normal email addy. Group like these highly welcome personal accounts of vintage stories, home recordings, touring dates, and record release press/congrats/and the progression of that entire process.

I've loved ILX since I found it because of how contemporary it is, and not just veterans reminiscing. Everyone here is kind and real encouraging when it comes to one's own progression in this type of unconventional guitar playing. Separating the 'experimenting' from the official record releasing could just lead to further confusion and much less exposure of people who wouldn't ever get it otherwise.

Sorry for the ramble, ramble, ramble... but I am Neal Cassady no doubt.

Good perspective, and I definitely did not mean to be discouraging in any way - I mean, I click on most of (all?) of you links. I was just suggesting that we streamline the thread a little. There's an I Make Music board, for instance, and a Takoma / Fahey / Basho, hell, even Haino / Bailey / Orcutt type thread there would be really cool. My minority opinion is that 'separating a linkage' is often necessary, lest we have Oneohtrix and Ty Segall threads becoming the equivalent of Bandcamp or something. Again, minority opinion; from the looks of it, most of the people in this thread are happy to be sharing ideas about guitar technique. Just remember that for some of us who are merely appreciators--not practitioners--of the idiom, such discussions threaten to make this very long thread a lot less compelling to read.