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http://img.spokeo.com/public/900-600/mark_mcgrath_2001_02_15.jpg

Brian Wilson solo T, pretty hip.

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 4 October 2013 18:57 (twelve years ago)

Mark McGrath was on Rock n Roll Jeopardy and cleaned house. Stop being snobs.

smangerz (Whiney G. Weingarten), Friday, 4 October 2013 19:15 (twelve years ago)

Yeah, he was a machine as a contestant and then, after Jeff Probst got too busy with Survivor, hosted the show for a hot minute.

Johnny Fever, Friday, 4 October 2013 19:16 (twelve years ago)

Oh wait, he didn't. He was going to revive the show, but it never got out of the planning stages.

Johnny Fever, Friday, 4 October 2013 19:19 (twelve years ago)

Seems like a stand-up dude, tbh.

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 4 October 2013 19:25 (twelve years ago)

Mark McGrath was on Rock n Roll Jeopardy and cleaned house. Stop being snobs.

― smangerz (Whiney G. Weingarten), Friday, October 4, 2013 2:15 PM (10 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

was gonna say this. i was about the make the case for mcgrath as some kind of tragic genius figure who lucked into a wack career but i don't know enough really and don't care

goole, Friday, 4 October 2013 19:26 (twelve years ago)

lol I think goole is basically OTM

smang culture (DJP), Friday, 4 October 2013 19:32 (twelve years ago)

ok i'll admit when i'm wrong

mark mcgrath you know who the feelies are and i'm sorry i doubted you.

tyler's blog has some good bootlegs check em out

lorde willin' (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 4 October 2013 19:38 (twelve years ago)

back to "Edge," which is terrific.

the objections to Drake from non-REAL HIPHOP people (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 4 October 2013 19:39 (twelve years ago)

tyler's blog has some good bootlegs check em out

Sugar Ray bootlegs?

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 4 October 2013 19:42 (twelve years ago)

no feelies stuff, really deep cuts

lorde willin' (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 4 October 2013 19:45 (twelve years ago)

Just jokin'. I've downloaded a bunch of his stuff (which of course is ace, love Tyler's site).

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 4 October 2013 19:47 (twelve years ago)

Sugar Ray are classic, you fuckheads.

The Reverend, Friday, 4 October 2013 20:08 (twelve years ago)

the abridged Sugar Ray singles poll

J0rdan S., Friday, 4 October 2013 20:10 (twelve years ago)

ppl were talking about Haim covering other artists upthread; I kind of want to hear them cover the first Ruby album

smang culture (DJP), Friday, 4 October 2013 20:10 (twelve years ago)

SUGAR RAY & SUPERCAT FLY TRIBUTE THREAD

The Reverend, Friday, 4 October 2013 20:25 (twelve years ago)

This is apparently only 28 copies from outselling JT's new album in the UK.

Greer, Friday, 4 October 2013 22:02 (twelve years ago)

IN HELLENISTIC EGYPT THE LIGHTHOUSE OF ALEXANDRIA CRUMBLES FOR ME

― J0rdan S., Friday, 22 February 2008 07:00 (5 years ago) Permalink

puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Friday, 4 October 2013 22:05 (twelve years ago)

wow xp

The Reverend, Friday, 4 October 2013 22:22 (twelve years ago)

This explains the invective.

the objections to Drake from non-REAL HIPHOP people (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 4 October 2013 22:44 (twelve years ago)

my response to everett is in the comments

http://www.collapseboard.com/everett-true/haim-an-open-letter-to-christopher-r-weingarten/

smangerz (Whiney G. Weingarten), Friday, 4 October 2013 22:57 (twelve years ago)

sub-Chunklet.... nice

flopson, Friday, 4 October 2013 23:01 (twelve years ago)

good response, whiney

The Reverend, Friday, 4 October 2013 23:16 (twelve years ago)

Yeah, nice not taking the bait and actually staying pretty even tempered.

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 4 October 2013 23:18 (twelve years ago)

really hope they get the #1

monotony, Friday, 4 October 2013 23:27 (twelve years ago)

wgw otm

wk, Saturday, 5 October 2013 00:07 (twelve years ago)

wait so is Haim like getting played on the radio in the uk? (I guess everyone gets played on the radio in the uk, but I mean like to a significant amount?)

Geoffrey Schweppes (jaymc), Saturday, 5 October 2013 03:55 (twelve years ago)

"The Wire" is on the Radio 1 A list at the moment, and just appeared on the UK Radio Airplay chart.

I'm seeing them at a smallish (400 person) venue on Sunday (hopefully tropical storm Karen will have cleared out by evening). I'm a bit giddy.

جهاد النكاح (Sanpaku), Saturday, 5 October 2013 04:33 (twelve years ago)

Also, it’s OK to not like the Haim album, but not liking it by throwing around Bryan Adams, Wilson Phillips, and Rick Astley’s names like it’s bad to make good pop music is some sub-Chunklet aging punk bullshit, and corny as fuck.

Yeah really, having, like, taste and standards is so fucking Dischord, dudes. Can't wait for the RSD 180g diehard red vinyl reissue of Heart in Motion by Amy fucking Grant."

omg kill yourself

Jimmywine Dyspeptic, Saturday, 5 October 2013 05:13 (twelve years ago)

You know Heart In Motion has a gang of hardcore fans on ilm, do you not?

Johnny Fever, Saturday, 5 October 2013 05:15 (twelve years ago)

By 'gang' do you mean REDACTED?

I guess this would be easier to swallow if it wasn't some transparent social climbing 'VMA limited access' horseshit from yet another writer trying to rationalize his Lolita complex and collection of secret Richard Marx cassingles

Jimmywine Dyspeptic, Saturday, 5 October 2013 05:21 (twelve years ago)

u are a traet

Johnny Fever, Saturday, 5 October 2013 05:25 (twelve years ago)

oh huh haim has a song called the wire and wire had an album called pink flag and that flag was pepto pink.

how's life, Saturday, 5 October 2013 10:33 (twelve years ago)

I guess this would be easier to swallow if it wasn't some transparent social climbing 'VMA limited access' horseshit from yet another writer trying to rationalize his Lolita complex and collection of secret Richard Marx cassingles

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-WwDaoULXp2Y/TrBi8ZG9OkI/AAAAAAAAAog/92fGO7QQmic/s1600/Mike%2BNapoleon.jpg

the objections to Drake from non-REAL HIPHOP people (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 5 October 2013 11:53 (twelve years ago)

I don't understand -- championing Heart in Motion, released when Amy Grant was 30, is evidence of a Lolita complex?

I've never heard the album in full, but "Baby Baby" and "Every Heartbeat" hold up fantastically. Richard Marx had a couple of jams, too.

Geoffrey Schweppes (jaymc), Saturday, 5 October 2013 12:59 (twelve years ago)

I'm on team Heart in Motion

ᶓ͠סּᴥ͠סּᶔ ᶓͼ᷆ₓͼ᷇ᶔ (gr8080), Saturday, 5 October 2013 13:09 (twelve years ago)

guys his DN has "dyspeptic" in it

the objections to Drake from non-REAL HIPHOP people (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 5 October 2013 13:24 (twelve years ago)

As a riff on a Red Red Meat album title.

Geoffrey Schweppes (jaymc), Saturday, 5 October 2013 13:56 (twelve years ago)

I guess it's just sorta tragic to me that a writer would take a swipe at Chunklet - who, let's be honest, are sorta the Led Zep to Whiney's Kingdom Come - while extolling the virtues of the "good pop music" of Wilson Philips. My contention here is simply that failing to make a distinction between "pop music" and "objectively terrible music" is far more contrarian and corny (and boring) in 2013 than, oh, I dunno, offering to "pay bands not to play." Whiney isn't here to defend himself, so I'm not going to continue ranting (I generally enjoy CW's writing, follow him on twitter, etc) but that comment sorta made me wanna barf.

Jimmywine Dyspeptic, Saturday, 5 October 2013 14:16 (twelve years ago)

Everett linked to this thread in the comments section, lolz

Neanderthal, Saturday, 5 October 2013 14:24 (twelve years ago)

If u cannot get behind "Hold On" and "You're In Love" as "good pop music" get yr fuckin ears checked imho

My question is primarily riparian (Phil D.), Saturday, 5 October 2013 14:26 (twelve years ago)

I actually just prefer Taylor Dane, is all - her drum sound is so much more Neurosis-y

Jimmywine Dyspeptic, Saturday, 5 October 2013 14:31 (twelve years ago)

I listen to mostly music where people growl unintelligibly about putting people through a meat grinder or drinking the blood of dead goats...and I can still admit "Hold On" is a damn good song.

Neanderthal, Saturday, 5 October 2013 14:32 (twelve years ago)

music is never an either/or proposition and it became more fun for me when I quit basing my tastes on "hmm, I shouldn't REALLY like this, should I?"

Neanderthal, Saturday, 5 October 2013 14:33 (twelve years ago)

When it comes to music, not liking something is rarely a virtue imo. Not that it can't be fun, but that's another thing.

Luigi Nono, le petit robot (seandalai), Saturday, 5 October 2013 14:38 (twelve years ago)

Both of those posts OTM.

Geoffrey Schweppes (jaymc), Saturday, 5 October 2013 14:46 (twelve years ago)

it's not disparaging "objectively terrible music" that scans as sub-chunk corny fuckness, but rather lining up bryan adams, wilson phillips, and rick astley to condemn by utterly meaningless association. they aren't objectively terrible artists. they're in-crowd code for a boring, obvious and massively dated antipop stance. like invoking phil collins would have been a decade back, before that same crowd got around to admitting they actually like phil collins.

pervilege as a meme (contenderizer), Saturday, 5 October 2013 14:54 (twelve years ago)

and i love chunklet/owings, ftr

pervilege as a meme (contenderizer), Saturday, 5 October 2013 15:02 (twelve years ago)

chunklet would've made fun of haim but there's a 65% chance it would have been funny about it

call all destroyer, Saturday, 5 October 2013 15:04 (twelve years ago)

xp To what 'in crowd' are you referring, exactly? Potbellied guys who like Captain Beefheart and The Fall or the young, articulate pop apologists on this thread?

This

How fortunate that so many rock critics have discovered the latent love for pop music that always laid deep within, just at a time when it’s been proven that you will not get work if your music criticism does not attract the requisite number of hits in web 2.0.

may be cynical as fuck but it's also pretty otm

also 65% otm too

Jimmywine Dyspeptic, Saturday, 5 October 2013 15:07 (twelve years ago)


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