Nick Cave : Classic or Dud ?

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CLASSIC if just for the *awesome* cover of "Something's Gotten Hold Of My Heart" on Kicking Against The Pricks. I'll admit I stopped listening after Henry's Dream , but everything up to that was super. Plus, he let me beat him at pool once.

― Jay Vee (Manon_70), Monday, 14 July 2003 23:34 (twenty-two years ago)

seven months pass...

Stupid (that is the poster's name) had asked for some thoughts on this abortive thread. Well here are some thoughts of mine for you. Offhand I would say either Tender Prey or Let Love In as a starting point.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 21 February 2004 01:27 (twenty-two years ago)

Thanks Ned, I'd already checked your reviews on allmusic out (I always do, you're rarely wrong I find: Cranes, The Wedding Present, Disco Inferno... the list of bands you've unwittingly set me up to love is growing every week), I was just looking for a few more opinions. Those two certainly sounded appealing, I guess I'll start with those then. Cheers, once again.

― Stupid (Stupid), Saturday, 21 February 2004 01:35 (twenty-two years ago)

Yer welcome. Hope you didn't mind the thread lock-and-redirect, but I didn't want to lose Scott's opinions either.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 21 February 2004 01:36 (twenty-two years ago)

I pretty much posted that so that someone would show me to the old one I couldn't find, so it's all good.

Did you check out Aereogramme by the way?

― Stupid (Stupid), Saturday, 21 February 2004 01:40 (twenty-two years ago)

I remember you telling me to do so. Now what I can't recall is if I did.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 21 February 2004 01:43 (twenty-two years ago)

Well you should. They're very you, especially their second album "Sleep & Release". Kind of Siamese Dream/Mellon Collie era Smashing Pumpkins/The God Machine sort of thing meets a Red House Painters/Mogwai sort of thing. With pretty vocals.

― Stupid (Stupid), Saturday, 21 February 2004 01:52 (twenty-two years ago)

CLASSIC. If only for Murder Ballads. Like, I know that every Dungeons and Dragons Ggek shows up for a Nick Cave concert because of this album - because of his weirdly accurate and historically-substantiable references to Victorian history, but I still think the album is amazing. And so, for that matter, is Let Love In. I go for months without listening to the album, but every time I do, I'm like X GFHDS GDJh agjkladasgd; lhjk FUCKING WOW it's good. I was driving my father's Suburu Outback on a mini-300-mile road trip through Vermont while listening to it, and it was nigh-akin to a masturbatory experience.

― The Second Drummer Drowned (Atila the Honeybun), Saturday, 21 February 2004 02:01 (twenty-two years ago)

I like Mr. Cave.

― latebloomer (latebloomer), Saturday, 21 February 2004 02:19 (twenty-two years ago)

That meant clssic, by the way.

― latebloomer (latebloomer), Saturday, 21 February 2004 02:28 (twenty-two years ago)

Terminally tedious zzzzzzz

regards,

REB

― Rik E Boy (Rik E Boy), Saturday, 21 February 2004 14:42 (twenty-two years ago)

You should be set on fire.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Saturday, 21 February 2004 21:23 (twenty-two years ago)

I will add to my rather dismissive opinion upthread that I was a huge fan of the Birthday Party and saw them several times live. In fact they're the reason I sent a demo to, and signed to, 4AD. So count me a disgruntled former fan of Mr Cave. I tuned out after 'Your Funeral, My Trial'. Because I just don't recognise in his more recent songs any world I know. They sound like songs by someone who loves songs too much. He sounds like Methuselah with a piano.

― Momus (Momus), Saturday, 21 February 2004 21:35 (twenty-two years ago)

I am taking that second to last sentence and I am going to run with it as a new thread...

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 21 February 2004 21:42 (twenty-two years ago)

If I was on fire Al, at least I would wake up. I think....

regards,

REB

― Rik E Boy (Rik E Boy), Sunday, 22 February 2004 10:05 (twenty-two years ago)

Ah, but you're not on fire.........yet. And my name's not "Al".

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Sunday, 22 February 2004 21:01 (twenty-two years ago)

"You Can't Call Me All"

― willem (willem), Sunday, 22 February 2004 21:35 (twenty-two years ago)

Some years ago, a friend of mine and I used to laugh at our inability to find a single record store used bin that didn't have at least one copy of The Good Son in it. Cave is ridiculous, and more annoying because he wasted time that Blixa Bargeld could have spent making more Neubauten records.

― Phil Freeman (Phil Freeman), Sunday, 22 February 2004 21:43 (twenty-two years ago)

I was scrolling/parsing too quickly and my mind got the impression that some typed: "Cave joins Clan of Xymox--it's great."

― Ian Grey (Ian_G), Monday, 23 February 2004 06:24 (twenty-two years ago)

Totally fucking classic

The BDay Party were fucking wicked and badass and awesome.
Solo Nick Cave is hit and miss with some really awesome moments and some really low, bad moments.

But if it isn't totally awesome, then its atleast usually pretty funny.

― sunjammerr, Monday, 23 February 2004 06:31 (twenty-two years ago)

one year passes...

I'm listening to Your Funeral...My Trial, and it just struck me that this may be his best album. I've listened to it many times before, but for some reason it burrowed its way to the center of my brain on this particular listening. I'd always favored Henry's Dream...but this has much more blues, some of his best writing, and his voice is right at that mid point between the early shriek and the later baritone. Scum is such a great song...and The Carny is one of my all-time favorites of his.

I've also been listening to B-Sides & Rarities on my ipod, and that 3rd disc just keeps blowing my mind. Some of that stuff is jaw-droppingly good.

Just felt like gushing... that's all.. :)

― VegemiteGrrl (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 7 May 2005 05:21 (twenty-one years ago)

Hurrah! :-)

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 7 May 2005 05:26 (twenty-one years ago)

I was so disappointed to find both his Melbourne shows are sold out.

― Seuss, Saturday, 7 May 2005 05:26 (twenty-one years ago)

You're disappointed? I made the mistake of immigrating to the US at about the same time Nick decided he didn't want to play in Yankeeland anymore.
So god knows when I'll see him again.

I would love to see the Lyre Of Orpheus/Abbattoir Blues tour, that gospel choir he's got going would kill live. Imagine 'There She Goes, My Beautiful World' live. I'm also interested in their dynamic now that Blixa has gone. I wonder who'll do Kylie's part now on the live performances of "Where The Wild Roses Grow". Blixa had such a lovely falsetto. Maybe Mick will pitch in...

― VegemiteGrrl (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 7 May 2005 05:33 (twenty-one years ago)

Oh no, when did that happen? I heard that after Lollapalooza but it didn't last of course. "Jack's Shadow" might be my favorite of his songs, I think I'll go put on Your Funeral, My Trial now, in fact.

Is it just me or does Cave have a lot better sense of humor than he's usually given credit for?

― daria g (daria g), Saturday, 7 May 2005 05:49 (twenty-one years ago)

Nick has always had a great sense of humor. Mick & Blixa too. It just gets overlooked because everyone expects him to be completely morbid because of the song content.

Apparently his publicist announced that he's doing no tours for 2004/2005, and in 2003 he said he wasn't touring a country that had declared war on Afghanistan, so god only knows what 2006 holds.

― VegemiteGrrl (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 7 May 2005 06:01 (twenty-one years ago)

"Jack's Shadow" is great. I'm listening to Firstborn Is Dead now, and damn if Tupelo doesn't send me into paroxysms of joy.

― VegemiteGrrl (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 7 May 2005 06:06 (twenty-one years ago)

classic.

the dud part is the way i can't afford the seventy odd dollars it costs to see him next tuesday.

― acidmouth (acidmouth), Saturday, 7 May 2005 06:30 (twenty-one years ago)

no children or elderly relatives you can pawn off? sure, it's a last resort, but think of the pay-off...

― VegemiteGrrl (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 7 May 2005 06:39 (twenty-one years ago)

I felt for years that Your Funeral My Trial was his best work. The Boatman's Call had me changing my mind for a years but I think I'm back to my original decision now.

I don't think he's even come close to the level of The Boatman's Call since then, but there's enough there up to then to justify a resounding classic.

Seeing 16 Horsepower live made me decide Nick may as well retire as he wasn't really required any more - sadly he's managed to outlast them.

― Onimo (GerryNemo), Saturday, 7 May 2005 09:08 (twenty-one years ago)

Oh no, when did that happen? I heard that after Lollapalooza but it didn't last of course.

Blixa didn't leave then, he just refused to do Lollapalooza. He left proper after Nocturama, having barely played on the last three records (Cave said that his presence and opinions in the studio were still personally valuable even if there wasn't anything for half the band to play tho). His replacement is actually Lolla fill-in James Johnston! Playing organ not guitar for the most part though.

― kit brash (kit brash), Saturday, 7 May 2005 14:59 (twenty-one years ago)

Seeing 16 Horsepower live made me decide Nick may as well retire as he wasn't really required any more - sadly he's managed to outlast them.

Funnily enough, 16 H opened for Nick on the 1998 tour. I always liked them, but not loved. Appreciated the obvious Ian Mc. from Echo jones in the dude's voice, though.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 7 May 2005 16:35 (twenty-one years ago)

CLASSIC up until Let Love In, DUD since then. I'll pay "Little Empty Boat" (b-side of "Into My Arms"), and "God Is In The House", and ok maybe "Stagger Lee", but Murder Ballads is where the rot set in solidly.

But the person way upthread who mentions Cave's "stifling seriousness" is really missing something. One of the great things about the early stuff (Boys Next Door through Birthday Party through, well, even "God Is In The House") is his mordant humour.

My coincidental thoughts in way more detail than you want, from just the other day:
http://www.livejournal.com/~frogworth/3437.html

― Peter Hollo (raven), Sunday, 8 May 2005 01:24 (twenty-one years ago)

Have you given Lyre Of Orpheus/Abattoir Blues a go 'round yet? Because it's incredibly good, especially if you gave up on him after Let Love In. Granted, he's not the same Nick he used to be, but I think he's proved that that isn't as much of a problem as first thought. The 3rd disc on the B Sides & Rarities collection will add further weight that his later material is actually pretty damn good. I hadn't listened to Nocturama or No More Shall We Part more than a couple of times, but I'm actually returning to them as we speak, because I fear I was too quick to judge.

Then again, each to their own. Praps just not your cup o tea.

― VegemiteGrrl (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 8 May 2005 01:40 (twenty-one years ago)

And as far as later songs go, Brompton Oratory is one of his finest. IMHO. But I'm big into his hymnal-type songs, I know not everyone's a fan of that. heck I'm not even religious...I guess you could say i'm a fan of faith/theology.

― VegemiteGrrl (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 8 May 2005 01:43 (twenty-one years ago)

I love No More Shall We Part. As for Nocturama, let's just say I don't own it anymore and leave it at that.

― Jim Reckling (Jim Reckling), Sunday, 8 May 2005 12:49 (twenty-one years ago)

eight months pass...

Solo shows in the UK! Anyone going? Plz report back here kthxbye.

30th January Birmingham Symphony Hall
31st January Cambridge Corn Exchange
1st February Nottingham Royal Centre
2nd February London Apollo Victoria - supported by Richard Hawley
4th February Edinburgh Playhouse
5th February Glasgow Concert Hall
6th February Manchester Bridgewater Hall

― StanM (StanM), Monday, 30 January 2006 20:26 (twenty years ago)

Nobody?

― StanM (StanM), Thursday, 2 February 2006 12:17 (twenty years ago)

one year passes...

50 years old today! HB NC!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nick_Cave

― StanM, Saturday, 22 September 2007 16:08 (eighteen years ago)

tbh, everything he's done post-Birthday Party belongs in the arena of the worthy-but-dull.

The lp covers looks splendid when laid on designer furniture, however.

― PhilK, Saturday, 22 September 2007 18:26 (eighteen years ago)

tbh, ~~everything~~ most of what he's done post-~~Birthday Party~~ the first four solo albums belongs in the arena of the worthy-but-dull.

fixed

― StanM, Saturday, 22 September 2007 18:41 (eighteen years ago)

:-)

― StanM, Saturday, 22 September 2007 18:41 (eighteen years ago)

I am glad to share a birthday with this man. I will listen to the Birthday Party all day.

― Ivan, Saturday, 22 September 2007 18:45 (eighteen years ago)

Happy birthday!

― StanM, Saturday, 22 September 2007 18:48 (eighteen years ago)

Yes, that's right he's a Virgo/Libra cusp isn't he? I always kindof forget what sign Nick is for some reason. Happy Birthday Ivan!

― Bimble, Sunday, 23 September 2007 00:56 (eighteen years ago)

six months pass...

Not really feeling his new album at all. Anyone?

― If Assholes Could Fly This Place Would Be An Airport, Wednesday, 9 April 2008 04:31 (eighteen years ago)

me either, can't get past the first two songs. same reaction i had to grinderman...I love nick cave but, maybe like the fall, I've just kind of had enough

― akm, Wednesday, 9 April 2008 06:11 (eighteen years ago)

Yes, exactly.

― If Assholes Could Fly This Place Would Be An Airport, Wednesday, 9 April 2008 06:22 (eighteen years ago)

five months pass...

I've had Straight to You on repeat all evening - it's an amazingly beautiful song. Not two things I normally associate with one another, beauty and Nick Cave

― Ismael Klata, Thursday, 2 October 2008 21:18 (seventeen years ago)

Classic but Dig Lazarus Dig hasn't appealed to me either.

― Vision, Thursday, 2 October 2008 21:43 (seventeen years ago)

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O wow O wow is amazing

― I? not I! He! He! HIM! (akm), Saturday, 31 August 2024 05:22 (one year ago)

Struggling with the excess of choir on this record. I mean, a little really goes a long way

― sawdust lagoon, Saturday, 31 August 2024 10:02 (one year ago)

coming back to say again how great O Wow O Wow is....

― I? not I! He! He! HIM! (akm), Saturday, 7 September 2024 17:44 (one year ago)

The stringsy choir god touches reminds me not so much of Lyre/Abattoir but rather recent Sault and their own twist towards eccentric gospel. Not specific motifs, but the same freewheeling collage of styles, gooves and narratives. Cave’s approach isn’t working for me but he isn’t falling back on formula.

― Theracane Gratifaction (bendy), Sunday, 8 September 2024 18:35 (one year ago)

thanks for recommending O Wow O Wow, it really is great

― corrs unplugged, Monday, 9 September 2024 05:16 (one year ago)

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