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One of the most annoying things some nu-metal groups have done is recruit bona-fide rappers for a song or two. It's always pathetic, for both parties. See, e.g., Ice Cube's appearance with Korn or Method Man's appearance on Limp Bizkit's "N2Gether Now".

― Tadeusz Suchodolski, Wednesday, 27 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

The Smiths and the Cure entered the mix when the kids discovered that artphags got more pussy than the heshers.

― tarden, Thursday, 28 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Aw, come on...someone must at least like ONE nu- metal track...
-- Michael ([email protected]), June 25, 2001.

I used to like Disturbed's "Voices" because I thought they said these lines: "N'Sync, you gonna die - will you listen to me!? D-d-d-d-die! D-d-d-d-die!" Alas, they don't so I went off it.

― Kodanshi, Thursday, 28 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

"Sepultura has also progressed from basic late-eighties Slayeresque thrash metal (not that Slayeresque metal is a bad thing, but I digress)" Actually, their early incarnation sounds to me more like a Discharge rip-off.

― Kodanshi, Thursday, 28 June 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

one month passes...

korn limp dix...linkin park...they all fucken suck! what the hell is going on? no one knows of good bands out there like cannibal.deicide or nile!!! well i don't care if anyone thinks that static-x are nu metal, i dont think theyre metal at all, but they fucken rule.

― NNY, Tuesday, 31 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

PRONG

― Tracer Hand, Tuesday, 31 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

some thoughts:

1) the limp bizkit song with meth is actually hot if you just think of it as a meth song produced by primo with a shit guest rapper. all the durst in the world can't take away that's it has method man going over some dj premier, and that shit is hot.

2) nu-metal is so grunge. all you assholes who like grunge, nu-metal is exactly what were listening to. actualy, nu-metal is better than grunge because they actually like techno and hiphop. while grunge just liked shitty sludge-rock.

3) everything alex in nyc is wrong, but especially that it will all be gone in five months. i remember korn debuting at number one on trl in 1998. he's also wrong about rap, but i'm not about to go off on that.

4) nu-metal is sadly one of the last mainstream genres that it is for some reason okay to hate, and that's sad. i'll readily defend nu-metal, anytime. i mean, i like rage against the machine so much more than nirvana it's not even funny. fuck nirvana.

― ethan, Tuesday, 31 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

er, 'everything alex in nyc SAID...'

― ethan, Tuesday, 31 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I don't know from nu-metal but I know what I like...Search: Neurosis - Enemy of the Sun (if Took is nu-metal so is Neurosis), everything by Slipknot (one of the world's three greatest bands, perhaps two now that the A-Teens are writing their own material), the "Last Resort" video, Linkin Park - "Crawling" (better than the new Depeche Mode, and I hear it inspired some gothic punk school shootings), Mudvayne - "Dig", Powerman 5000, Static X, Limp Bizkit - "Nookie", "Faith", "Break Stuff", Discordance Axis, that Tool song about California falling into the ocean, Candiria's kitchen sink rap-funk-metal, Absu, Ulver, everything by Marduk, Cave-In - Jupiter (which sounds more like Weezer doing a gothic pop album than any sort of metal), Electric Wizard - Dopethrone (best album of 2000 I didn't hear in 2000), Godsmack - "Bad Religion" which kicks the ass of any Kyuss I've heard, Disturbed - "Stupefy", "Let the Bodies Hit the Floor" by whoever does that one, the nu-doom-metal bands that owe more to Tony Conrad than Tony Iommi (Skepticism, Esoteric, Thergothon), nu-no-wave-metal (Gorguts, Hatewave, the Flying Luttenbachers, Karaboudjan), and Kid Rock, of course, and many others...there's so much good metal around now it's ridiculous (I justify the broad scope here by noting that the term nu-metal is surely just lazy journalism anyway [as if the Deftones' neoshoegazing has anything to do with Slipknot's WWF-inspired, amphetamine-surrealism has anything to do with Limp Bizkit's brazen ridiculousity has anything to with Staind's cornball melancholia] and that surely hearing a bunch of nutty Finns warn of the oncoming troll-revolution helps put Fred Durst into proper perspective). Anyway, these guys must be doing something right to piss off so many people.

― Kris, Tuesday, 31 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

DJ Martian proclaimed: Definately not Nu Metal, but be prepared for the return of the leaders of dark black metal Emperor, in the Autumn - their forthcoming album is set to redefine the complexity of extreme metal. This will be their last album, and will challenge Tool’s Lateralus in the epic and atmospheric art qualities of the music.

On what is this bold prediction based? Emperor have never been the most eclectic, progressive black metal band. Everything they do sounds pretty much exactly the same to me.

― Kris, Tuesday, 31 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Metal is to 2001 what Elvis was to 1956. This is the new world people!

― dave q, Tuesday, 31 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

2) nu-metal is so grunge. all you assholes who like grunge, nu-metal is exactly what were listening to.

Wow Ethan, and you accuse the Pinefox of making snide ignorant comments... 90s alt-rock (at least the good stuff) had tunes . Nu-metal does use hip hop and techno sounds, but (with the big exception of Kid Rock) usually does so in an entirely fun-free way (at least in the stuff I've heard), which kinda defeats the purpose. Anyway, you clearly have this big beef against 90s guitar-rock, and I'd like you to just come out with it and say why, without resorting to dumb clichés.

― Patrick, Tuesday, 31 July 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Nu-metal is grunge, only smarter...the grunge kids detuned their E strings, the nu-metal kids just ADDED A LOWER STRING.

― Kris, Wednesday, 1 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

If you don't like MuDvAyNe,Slipknot,Disturbed,Korn,Pantera,Coal Chamber,Skin Lab,Limp Bizkit,Kotton Mouth Kings,Twisted,I.C.P,Linkin Park,White Zombie,Nirvana,Godsmack,Rage Against the Machine,Machine Head,Dope,Drowning Pool,sevendust and the deftones.....then you can lick my ass crack youcock sucking hippie motherfuckers!!!

― Jeffrey Green from MD, Friday, 3 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

i would like all the alt-rock defense attorneys to note the inclusion of nirvana in this fine young man's list. you hippie cocksuckers.

― ethan, Friday, 3 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

White Zombie? Nu? Eh, this is just the sort of mentality that leads to those gothic punk school shootings.

― Sterling Clover, Friday, 3 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Ah, so it's Mr. Green who sent me that abusive email. I stand by what I said all the way up-thread.

― DG, Friday, 3 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I got one too. I feel special...

― Michael Bourke, Friday, 3 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

no one ever sends me abusive e-mail. apart from SATAN!

― gareth, Friday, 3 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Listening to the Radio today, the Staind single came on, but I didn't recognize it at first and was quite impressed by the instrumental intro. Then the vocals came in, and they were inexcusable.

― Sterling Clover, Friday, 3 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

i love korn,linkin park,papa roach,limp bizkit(well,it´s ok,their last albun was shit),static-x,godsmack,deftones,amen,crazy town, marilyn manson,fear factory,disturbed,mudvayne,muse,tool...etc... and specially slipknot,they are the best band ever man!so FUCK U ALL GUYS! Ana

― Ana, Tuesday, 7 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I'm beginning to realize that I like Staind. A _lot_.

― Dan Perry, Tuesday, 7 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I think Ana's pretty much on the money (is Muse a metal band? I've never heard them, but I thought they were some Radiohead-type thing). Staind is less boring than Pearl Jam, maybe.

― Kris, Tuesday, 7 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Its funny hearing al of this being as I am turning 27 and have grown up being around metal since it was Motorhead, Kiss, Black Sabbath, Judas Priest,Motley Crue, Van Halen, Iron Maiden and Alice Cooper that my 2 brothers (10 years older than me)listened to, myself being 5-10 at the time. At 10 i decided Ratt, Twisted Sister, The Clash and The Sex Pistols were pretty cool. Damn we're smart at 10, this was followed by a couple year period when i listened to a lot of grandmaster flash and beastie boys. At 13 it was all about the thrash. Slayer, Metallica, Megadeth, Sepultura, Suicidal Tendencies and Sacrifice as well as The Violent Femmes. Unlike other metalheads at the time i was also listening to NWA, 2 Live Crew, Ice T, and other assorted hiphop, When grunge came along i was pretty stoked on all the big seattle bands, most notably Alice, Nirvana, Soundgarden, PJ 10, STP, as well as The Red Hot Chilis, Faith No More/Mr.Bungle, Fear Factory, NIN, Ministry, Pantera, Mentors, Black Flag, Radiohead and Skinny Puppy .While I never stopped liking metal I had a big appreciation for siamese dream, Then there were the Death metal years followed with listening to nothing but DJs for a bit (Deep House still does it for me). Like i said, I've watched modern music progress over the years and excuse me if i'm hard pressed to give out any awards for originality. (excluding Tool, SOAD, Deftones, Early Korn and a few others from the Neo metal crop out right now.) It all sounds derivitave in a way , but there's not too much that hasn't been done. Its a band that can take influences from a variety of sources and not mangle it in the process that will stand the test of time. I'm guessing Linkin Park will be the Silverchair of the millenia, soon to be forgotten. After The White Pony and Lateralus as well as A perfect circle. they can stay. You should be trying to stamp out the boy and girl band trend rather than fighting the *yawn* metal vs. grunge battle thats getting tired. I'd rather hate bands for sucking rather than for the Genre they happen to get lumped in with. Loud aggressive music is not going away soon, and I don't see angsty rock by white college huys leaving either. Hip Hop will continue to evolve at its steady pace, weeding out the Mases and the P. Doody or whatever eventually. Fuck , pick up an Outkast LP , they're really good. And personally I like eminem. J5 and dilated peoples are'nt too shabby either. As far as the new metal goes, lame bands like Crazy Town and Linkin park will slowly die off, leaving the ones with staying power to carry on the metal torch. Slayer will never die (hopefully mettalica will) Either way, I'm interested to see where it will all go from here.

Fred Durst can SUCK MY BALLS

PS: pick up SOAD - Toxicity and At The Drive In - Relationship of Command. Exactly what genres are we talking about? The lines are beginning to blur.

What happened to KoRn anyways ... Life Is Peachy was really good :(

― scott reid, Tuesday, 14 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Why does old White Zombie rock and Solo Rob Zombie suck so badly?

― Scott Reid in Victoria BC, Tuesday, 14 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Scott, that's an EXCELLENT QUESTION. I've never been able to figure that out, either.

― Dan Perry, Tuesday, 14 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I think that you all just haven't given it a good enough chance. Most people I know don't really like music the first few times they hear it, you have to give it time to sink in, but if you're stubborn about it and you're listening with a bias against it, of course you aren't going to like it.

― Keith, Wednesday, 15 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Mmmmmm....... God dammit, I love SOAD :) Anyone know where I can find the lyrics to Toxicity. It'd be much appreciated.

Cheers Steve

ps. WTF is with everyone telling others what bands are shit? Surely we can figure it out ourselves! Also, that cock who said I can lick his ass if I don't like all the bands he listed, this ones for you:

― Steve M, Wednesday, 15 August 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

three weeks pass...

There is a site dedicated to all you Nu-Metal haters...

http://www.anml.8m.com

I'd seriously recommend seeing it. These guys hate nu-metal just as much as we do...

― ANML, Saturday, 8 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

im just letting u all know DEFTONES KICK ASS and thats that

― dj, Monday, 10 September 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

three weeks pass...

nu metal appeals to the under 18s because its seen as the thing to be these days, to be a rebel but still be accepted by a crowd, to be "different" but to be the same as the next nu metaller, to be the "outsider" but to have a social group of MANY. A cult of contradiction and ignorance. I generally find these nu metallers, (those of which i have met, yes they have all been the same, brain dead) pathetic, extremely vain (i cant possibly wear straight jeans!! thats sooo uncool!), ignorant, loud, and immature. Whats with this "i'm soo indiviual" but theyre the spitting image of their mates (thinks and looks the same) heh and they mock trendies for being sheep, haha fools!

― cerry, Tuesday, 2 October 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

ok ok Cerry is dumb.... if your gonna email me, dont use the email on my above post... you have be told.. ok

― Cerry, Tuesday, 2 October 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Re: Alex In NYC

"five years...hell, five months time, it's all going to sound horribly, horribly dated."

But alex, the musical style has already _been_ around for five or more years. And certain albums by Tool, Korn, Deftones, and Rage Against The Machine still sound very fresh and original, to my ears at least. But it's true that many of the more recent upstarts like Cold, Saliva, Limp Bizkit, Roach, Mudvayne, and Coal Chamber (whose singer really sounds like Grover -- he should have a duet with Elmo, er, Macy Gray)), are really awful. But I think that the first bands I mentioned, plus Taproot, System Of A Down, some P.O.D and a few others are quite good, thank you. Musically, Slipknot are okay but I just can't stand constantly screaming vocals.

Re: Josh "What is it supposed to be about the Deftones and Sepultura that set them apart? When I hear them on the loud rock shows on my college station (which plays some more out-there stuff than mainstream radio, but safely out-there) I'm not exactly bowled over by originality."

I don't know about Sepultura; but to me Deftones definitely stand apart from the crowd. They have a great sense of smoothly building dynamics, original and interesting music, and Chino Moreno is a true vocalist that breaks away from the rap-influenced percussiveness of his peers. Of course, when he _does_ rap he's humble compared to a good real MC, but far better than, say, Fred Durst. Speaking of which -- _damn_ he's bad. When I heard his contribution to the "What's Going On" allstar track, I didn't know whether to laugh or cry. He's _so_ terrible; someone should do him a favor and tell, him, really.

Re: tarden You argument is self-serving, ignorant, and demonstrably false. I offer myself as living proof that it's possible to like Nu Metal and have a diverse musical taste, although I also hate Papa Roach and Linkin Park.

― Jack Redelfs, Sunday, 7 October 2001 00:00 (twenty-four years ago)

three weeks pass...

i pretty musch agree with everything everyone has said, EXCEPT all the dissing of linkin park. Personally, when i heard rap/rock shit like limp bizkit i fucking hated it. i thought is had to be the most mindless talentless crap ive ever heard. when linkin park came out with 'one step closer' i thought, *here we go, another limp bizkit wannabe* but then i listened to the whole album and found that it was indeed, very good. i would have to say OSC is not one of their better songs, but in pretty much every other song, they have very good,very thoughtful lyrics, and i think chester benningiton has a fabulous voice. my friend emma dragged me along to their concert very early in the year,before i was much of a fan, and i found out that the put on an absoloutly fabulous live show. i left their concert a fan, and i truley respect them. while they may be MTV whores (which they have no control over) they still are really nothing like i`ve ever heard before, and have been making music long before the rap rock/nu-metal bullshit came in fashion. i`m still not too sure on the rap parts, but otherwise i think they are a great, talented band. i want to make it clear, that this is the only 'nu-metal'as such that i listen to. i am not a korn, limp bizkit , papa roach or mudvayne fan at all. they all sound the same. but before you go dissing a band, check out there history and listen to all there songs, that way you can judge. if you don`t like em, sure, they may not be your musical tastes.BUT i know alot of people get stuck into them because they are popular and had a top-20 album. since when are bands not allowed to be successful? i hope you know 3 genuinely fabulous metal albums, Slayer 'God hates us all', Slipknot 'iowa' and system of a down 'toxcity' all came into the australian charts in the top 20 all in one week.

― Erin, Tuesday, 30 October 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I agree with Ethan - that Method Man track was the best thing Fred Durst has ever done.

― Tim, Wednesday, 31 October 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

I think the Fred Durst bit is the best thing about the new version of "What's Goin On".

― Tom, Wednesday, 31 October 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

Tom, the next time you make a joke, I expect some emoticons after that bitch, alright?

― David Raposa, Wednesday, 31 October 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

two weeks pass...

RATM:great rap-metal band, political, good tunes, good vocals, lyrics- excellent!!!!!

SOAD:Armenian folk-metal, unusual, individual, great tunes, nonsense lyrics, gloriously heavy and insane.

Deftones:Nu-metal, but GOOD nu-metal. Get 'Around the Fur'.

Slipknot:-thats not music, its just a PILE OF SHIT!!!!

Staind:boooooooorrrrriiiiiiinnnnggggggg........

Limp Bizkit:Apart from Fred Durst [whiny arsehole who cant write proper lyrics] they are a very good band, heavy and melodic.

Papa Roach:Ok, but slightly boring.

Crazy Town:The worst lyrics in the history of music and are a also a bunch of posers peddling generic rap-metal tunes.

The only metal bands I like are Iron Maiden, Black Sabbath, SOAD, RATM, and Deftones. I am 16 but I do not just like nu-metal, OK!

Oh and btw Muse DO NOT SOUND LIKE RADIOHEAD!!!!!!!!!

― sid, Tuesday, 20 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

No, Muse actually sound like really early Queen, except (of course) not as good. Has anyone else noticed this?

― dave q, Tuesday, 20 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

OH boy, let me play! Deftones are old, yes, but boring as fuck. Every song sounds the same, plodding along, tuneless and aggressive as hell. I bought the album with the white eardropper on the cover and by god I was disappointed. Slipknot is also old. If I was going to like this stuff, Slipknot would be the band. Someone started playing it once in the Hamptons around a campfire and it instantly ruined the party. People stared straight ahead, freaked out. I couldn't believe how hard this was. It was on the same level as Slayer, but with a punk catchiness. Still, I can't stand albums that are so SAME. Every song is the same song on first listen. And, no, not all music is like this. Pick up a Jude CD or something and see. It is only cliche group-dwellers that fit nitches so well (see also: rap). Staind- "It's been a while since I heard music quite this bad. It's been a while since I heard a voice like that. It's been a while since a bald, middle-aged fat boy broke big... And as far as I remember he sounds an awful lot like Creed, when he's not bein' Eddy Vedder... or Alice in Chains.... It's been a while since I've hated a song this much". Sepultura- they've been around forever. They were sorta the new Slayer by my senior year in high school. They're not nu metal. They're just prototypical ultra-heavy metal with blazing melodic solos and pentatonic scale abuse. They were a step above bands like Testament and Death Angel.

As far as every single band mentioned here in this thread, screw them all. Give me any ONE of the following bands over the lot of 'em: Monster Magnet, Kyuss, Nashville Pussy, Motorhead, Judas Priest, Venom, Slayer, Deadly Snakes, Turbonegro, King Brothers, The Reds, Leatherface, Iron Maiden, Celtic Frost, Coroner and Hellacopters. Perhaps this list applies to any newcomers in the future as well. That's the entire list of what I'd ever need as far as hard music.

― Nude Spock, Tuesday, 20 November 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

three weeks pass...

Actually it's fucking wicked

― tom grice, Saturday, 15 December 2001 01:00 (twenty-four years ago)

six months pass...

o.k. I believe the only good nu metal band is the Deftones. Just because they arn't as pointless as the others. and chino writes wonderful music. I also think they are completly unlike korn. even Adrenaline wasn't like korn except the song Root did remind me a bit of Korn. They've been around longer than Korn and many other nu metal bands. Chino doesnt even rap as much as most nu metal ppl. The only downside of the deftones is that they suck live.

the two worst bands of this whole nu metal thing are Linkin Park and Crazy town. I would have said limp bizkit but at least the band is good.....but fred durst sucks. I think chester from linkin park is a better singer. none of these bands have meaning or anything and a lot have dumb, pointless lyrics. the whole entire linkin park album was like "i hate you, get away, i hate myself, stop screwing with my head!"

well.......thats all folks.........ill stop writing now......

― Celeste, Monday, 8 July 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

six months pass...

revive! nu metal STILL sucks!!

― Tad (llamasfur), Monday, 3 February 2003 10:16 (twenty-three years ago)

I think muse sound like radiohead would sound if they were utter shite. Actually. And they're so not nu-metal. Just because they play it on kerrang TV doth not make it nu-metal...

― Zora (Zora), Monday, 3 February 2003 22:01 (twenty-three years ago)

I've just realised that not only do System of a Down crack me up - I can still remember the first time I heard them and laughing about it for days, but after listening to a couple of my brother's albums they're also pretty decent, I'm seriously addicted to that 'Chop Suey' track at the moment.

― Chewshabadoo (Chewshabadoo), Saturday, 8 February 2003 01:33 (twenty-three years ago)

Oh, and ninty percent of tracks hover around 3 minutes, which is ALWAYS A GOOD THING.

― Chewshabadoo (Chewshabadoo), Saturday, 8 February 2003 01:34 (twenty-three years ago)

one month passes...

3 years later and Deftones' _White Pony_ sounds as
good as ever, and even more distinct from the crowd.
Chew, I've never thought of it that way, but yeah, I agree that
System Of A Down are funny. They may be hard-core armenian dudes
but they look fairly goofy and the lead singer sounds like a
kosher hot dog.

― Squirrel_Police (Squirrel_Police), Sunday, 9 March 2003 22:53 (twenty-three years ago)

i like system of a down, two Deftones songs, and I really, really like the 30% of OTEP's stuff, the songs she doesn't
rap" on - "Blood Pigs" was really, really good. Search the single.

The rest of it is shite.

― roger adultery (roger adultery), Sunday, 9 March 2003 23:04 (twenty-three years ago)

What's the nu-metal song where there is a break in the music, and singer goes "oo-wack-ack-ack-ack!"? I hate that one.

― Mr. Diamond (diamond), Sunday, 9 March 2003 23:06 (twenty-three years ago)

Sorry, but the only proper answer here is:

DUD!

― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Sunday, 9 March 2003 23:25 (twenty-three years ago)

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― -_- (jim in vancouver), Thursday, 27 July 2017 03:09 (eight years ago)

lol otm

― Neanderthal, Thursday, 27 July 2017 03:11 (eight years ago)

three years pass...

D: 2016 cover of Michael Jackson's 'They Don't Care About Us' by Saliva that seemingly retains the original 'Jew me' line while omitting the, uh, other one.

― peace, man, Saturday, 19 December 2020 23:23 (five years ago)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iKxE9uE1lXo

― peace, man, Saturday, 19 December 2020 23:23 (five years ago)

*presses play*

syke

― cosmic vision | bleak epiphany | erotic email (map), Sunday, 20 December 2020 01:34 (five years ago)

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