yeah tbf I don't think many bands can claim that their drums sound like that in the practice room
― #fomo that's the motto (Hurting 2), Thursday, 26 September 2013 22:01 (ten years ago) link
Ha, well the drums actually do kind of sound that way in the practice pad when yr standing right in front of them.
― chr1sb3singer, Thursday, 26 September 2013 22:02 (ten years ago) link
i'm usually behind them so maybe i don't realize ha. but I'm also not a heavy-hitting drummer.
― #fomo that's the motto (Hurting 2), Thursday, 26 September 2013 22:03 (ten years ago) link
taking a good band and not fucking it up is harder than it sounds -- there are plenty of crappy-sounding or overworked records by good bands
― #fomo that's the motto (Hurting 2), Thursday, September 26, 2013 10:40 PM (32 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
but taking a shitty/mediocre band and recording with them a record with a good production - no one will give a fuck anyway.
― nostormo, Thursday, 26 September 2013 22:14 (ten years ago) link
i think by definition "shitty/mediocre" bands who are recording an album have a number of people who will give a fuck
― Tyskie in the giro (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 26 September 2013 22:18 (ten years ago) link
Right But not the one's who liked the "good" bands.Plus,people who like shitty band usually don't enjoy the "production"..
― nostormo, Thursday, 26 September 2013 22:20 (ten years ago) link
Assuming we all agree Pixies were good and Bush was shit lol
― nostormo, Thursday, 26 September 2013 22:22 (ten years ago) link
"Hey,that Bush record sounds great but I hate the band. I think I'll buy it"A sentence that was never told
― nostormo, Thursday, 26 September 2013 22:25 (ten years ago) link
http://cdn.straightfromthea.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/blankstare-CtA.gif
― Tyskie in the giro (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 26 September 2013 22:30 (ten years ago) link
here to rep for 'Ocean Songs' which i think is one of the most beautiful sounding records i've ever heard.
― Jamie_ATP, Thursday, 26 September 2013 22:34 (ten years ago) link
It's interesting to compare Seamonsters, which he recorded, against The Wedding Present's Hit Parade stuff which is of a similar style but sounds pretty terrible largely. Seamonsters sounds incredible; not austere at all with its soaring guitars and, yes, Albini drums. In this one example I do think he added so much that he should possibly deserve royalties.
― kraudive, Thursday, 26 September 2013 22:55 (ten years ago) link
"my mechanic only works on cars he respects on an aesthetic level"
This line on the thread got me to chuckle as I pictured one of those mechanics that works on just BMWs or Jaguars.
― earlnash, Thursday, 26 September 2013 23:07 (ten years ago) link
Albini gets a great live drum sound, Unfortunately, that same sound seems to be what he gets out of everything else, too.
Anyway, his work with Low and Bedhead show what he can do in mellower circumstances. In some ways, the lack of a pounding drummer in those situations forced him to do better with everything else.
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 26 September 2013 23:52 (ten years ago) link
If you don't know, Lil BUB is the latest deformed kitty to take the inter-tubes by storm, following in the paw-prints of the now-legendary Grumpy Cat. The gal has no teeth so her tongue constantly hangs out and has some kind of drawfism so she remains an eternal kitten with tiny, unbelievably adorable front paws. Here she is:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/cf/Lil_Bub_2013.jpg/800px-Lil_Bub_2013.jpg
Yeah, well Lil BUB has a YouTube show. In what might one day culturally rival Alice Cooper on the Muppet Show or the punk rock episode of CHiPS, the guest in the third episode is famed funnyman Steve Albini. Here is the trailer:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qn0GvRpthJ4
I cannot wait for the whole episode in two days...
― Loud guitars shit all over "Bette Davis Eyes" (NYCNative), Tuesday, 1 October 2013 18:42 (ten years ago) link
lil bub's owner is an electrical audio board guy i think
― lorde willin' (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 1 October 2013 19:24 (ten years ago) link
i wonder if there is video of albini interviewing nate silver
― Philip Nunez, Tuesday, 1 October 2013 20:01 (ten years ago) link
Always a good reason to repost this:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WZWrVQTlonc
― Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Tuesday, 1 October 2013 21:06 (ten years ago) link
"They're HUGE in the world of math rock."
― Loud guitars shit all over "Bette Davis Eyes" (NYCNative), Tuesday, 1 October 2013 21:18 (ten years ago) link
I went to this last December. Albini asked Silver something along the lines of: "Why go into election stats instead of going to Wall Street and becoming a billionaire?" And Silver talked about how high the bar was for Wall Street quants, and how he was more excited to be in a field where doing a B+ job felt like an A-grade job, where there was that kind of skill gap.
(Also played cards with them that evening.)
― LinkedIn Beef (Eazy), Tuesday, 1 October 2013 21:21 (ten years ago) link
I hear Nate Silver is a good poker player.
― Loud guitars shit all over "Bette Davis Eyes" (NYCNative), Tuesday, 1 October 2013 21:23 (ten years ago) link
Good player, great guy, happy to talk politics and baseball at the card table.
― LinkedIn Beef (Eazy), Tuesday, 1 October 2013 21:41 (ten years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HW4mwjSIkoE&feature=share
― Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 5 October 2013 13:47 (ten years ago) link
Steve Albini drives a PT cruiser
― global tetrahedron, Saturday, 5 October 2013 16:01 (ten years ago) link
i'm going to pretend you didnt say that
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 5 October 2013 16:28 (ten years ago) link
http://www.electricalaudio.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?p=815166#p815166
― global tetrahedron, Saturday, 5 October 2013 17:11 (ten years ago) link
;_;
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 5 October 2013 17:24 (ten years ago) link
pt cruiser is very much in character
― call all destroyer, Saturday, 5 October 2013 17:48 (ten years ago) link
the only bad thing about driving a PT cruiser is when you pass another PT cruiser and the driver looks at you with a knowing smile
― flamboyant goon tie included, Saturday, 5 October 2013 18:21 (ten years ago) link
hope the pt cruiser has truck nutz
― mookieproof, Saturday, 5 October 2013 19:48 (ten years ago) link
just plz tell me it's not a convertible
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 5 October 2013 19:52 (ten years ago) link
Know why he must like it? Quality engineering.
― Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 5 October 2013 21:24 (ten years ago) link
i wanted him to drive a beatup GMC A-Team van
you guys I'm really bummed out by this
― set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 6 October 2013 03:23 (ten years ago) link
then again I heard a while ago that Maynard gets around LA in a smartcar which made me lol so, idk...maybe I can get over this
Problem with Music sequel, of sorts:
http://www.theguardian.com/music/2014/nov/17/steve-albinis-keynote-address-at-face-the-music-in-full
― Josh in Chicago, Monday, 17 November 2014 18:12 (nine years ago) link
Imagine a great hall of fetishes where whatever you felt like fucking or being fucked by, however often your tastes might change, no matter what hardware or harnesses were required, you could open the gates and have at it on a comfy mattress at any time of day. That’s what the internet has become for music fans. Plus bleacher seats for a cheering section.
― Josh in Chicago, Monday, 17 November 2014 18:20 (nine years ago) link
"for music fans"
― difficult listening hour, Monday, 17 November 2014 18:21 (nine years ago) link
Once we release music it’s out of our control. I use the verb “release” because it’s common vernacular. But I think it’s a perfect description. Even more apt if you consider what happens when you release other things, say a bird or a fart. When you release them they’re in the world and the world will react and use them as it sees fit. The fart may wrinkle noses until it dissipates. The bird may fly outside and crap on windshields; it may get shot down by a farmer. It’s been released, so you have no control over it. You can’t recall the fart, however much you would like to. You can’t protect the bird.
― Josh in Chicago, Monday, 17 November 2014 18:23 (nine years ago) link
Music has entered the environment as an atmospheric element, like the wind, and in that capacity should not be subject to control and compensation. Well, not unless the rights holders are willing to let me turn the tables on it. If you think my listening is worth something, OK then, so do I. Play a Phil Collins song while I’m grocery shopping? Pay me $20. Def Leppard? Make it $100. Miley Cyrus? They don’t print money big enough.
― Josh in Chicago, Monday, 17 November 2014 18:27 (nine years ago) link
piece is written like a true libertarian
― Οὖτις, Monday, 17 November 2014 18:49 (nine years ago) link
I mean he's not wrong but there's some serious social darwinism implications to his stance (ie if bands can't make a living at their music it's their tough shit for not being good enough, and the old system that protected them was wrong to do so)
― Οὖτις, Monday, 17 November 2014 18:50 (nine years ago) link
remember back when Albini would take potshots at like, Fugazi. now he's just making Miley jokes like everyone else.
― ƋППṍӮɨ∏ğڵșěᶉᶇдM℮ (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Monday, 17 November 2014 18:52 (nine years ago) link
Albini thinks the old system didn't protect the vast majority of bands at all. That's basically the whole thesis of the first "Problem With Music" and he reiterates it in the new one.
― JRN, Monday, 17 November 2014 18:59 (nine years ago) link
I think his point is that it's a wash. Yes, people make less money from selling records, but the flipside is that distro is virtually nothing, recording costs are a fraction of what they once were, and (at least established) bands potentially make more money playing live than they used to.
― Josh in Chicago, Monday, 17 November 2014 19:01 (nine years ago) link
ie if bands can't make a living at their music it's their tough shit for not being good enough
this is true tho. how many bands do we really need? only a couple are really entitled livings imo, the other 100000000 bands the world is currently blessed with? extraneous to literally everyone... no?
― shmurda on da shmorient shmexpress (sleepingbag), Monday, 17 November 2014 19:05 (nine years ago) link
if bands can't make a living at their music it's their tough shit for not being good enough
I would bet an amusingly large sum of money on this not being an accurate reading of his views
― proper maoist (DJ Mencap), Monday, 17 November 2014 19:08 (nine years ago) link
to answer the OP, albini is currently waiting for a train
― ya'll are the ones who don't know things (Karl Malone), Monday, 17 November 2014 19:08 (nine years ago) link
what's interesting about his argument (well one thing interesting about it) is that the atomization of culture doesn't bother him. He thinks it's great to have a million different micro-scenes sustaining themselves but essentially isolated from each other. Which okay yeah it has its virtues. But it makes every scene feel so *small* and insignificant.
xp
― Οὖτις, Monday, 17 November 2014 19:09 (nine years ago) link
only a couple are really entitled livings imo, the other 100000000 bands the world is currently blessed with? extraneous to literally everyone... no?
exactly. the market works!
I see an awful lot of packed shows these days. These micro-scenes get out the vote.
― Josh in Chicago, Monday, 17 November 2014 19:10 (nine years ago) link
Is his point that it's a wash? The thesis seemed stronger than that, on my first reading. I read Albini as saying that things are better now, given how critical he was in the past:
I’ll start by saying that I’m both satisfied and optimistic about the state of the music scene. And I welcome the social and technological changes that have influenced it.
Although they are largely anecdotal, the picture he paints of the pre-Internet industry seems more or less right. The radically increased accessibility of recording technology is definitely great for musicians, although this seems related only tangentially to the changes in the distribution system of the finished products. And the increased accessibility of music is obviously good for listeners, at least in the short term. However, on first reading, I do not see that he really makes a strong case for how 'the new model' allows musicians to make a living from their music, aside from charging higher prices for live performance: it seems to depend too strongly on the voluntary goodness of audiences and on sales of "ephemera and merchandise" (in which case musicians are really making living from things that are incidental to the music).
― EveningStar (Sund4r), Monday, 17 November 2014 19:43 (nine years ago) link